Template talk:PD-textlogo

U.S. law quote

"Similarly, it is not possible to copyright common geometric figures or shapes such as the hexagon or the ellipse, a standard symbol such as an arrow or a five-pointed star. Likewise, mere coloration cannot support a copyright even though it may enhance the aesthetic appeal or commercial value of a work. For example, it is not possible to copyright a new version of a textile design merely because the colors of red and blue appearing in the design have been replaced by green and yellow, respectively. The same is true of a simple combination of a few standard symbols such as a circle, a star, and a triangle, with minor linear or spatial variations."[1]

Fred Chess 15:08, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Term of design patent?

From the template:

Logos can be registered as design patents for a copyright-like protection.

Should it be noted that design patents generally expire much sooner than copyrights? --Damian Yerrick (☎) 15:17, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with "design patents" (vs. regular physical patents) but I think the trademark status is more important because it can be just as restrictive and never expire. - Rocket000 05:03, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Text logos

Is there any obligation of creating an svg version of Google, Flickr and such..? Yuval Y § Chat § 23:18, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Flickr should be fine, but Google's letters are too stylized to be ineligible. - Rocket000 05:01, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

See Category:Google_logos. Not so, Rocket000/Case.--Elvey (talk) 07:27, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Stylized text logos

This templete is accepted for a stylized text logos? Some from they may be crafty to detect, for exemple if a logo based on non-latin alphabet (Greek, Russian, Hebrew, Arabic etc.) -- Sergey kudryavtsev 12:18, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

If "stylized" means "artistically changed in a manner which allows full scope for individual creativity on the part of the person who devised the logo", then the answer is apparently not... AnonMoos 13:08, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

PD-text

I'm thinking about creating a new template for simple text that isn't a logo. It would categorize into Category:PD text a subcategory of Category:PD ineligible. I would also have {{PD-textlogo}} categorize into that also (or create another category). This would greatly help organize Category:PD ineligible. Examples:

So is this a good idea? Rocket000 20:07, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable... AnonMoos 22:24, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

But why the ellipsis? :) I see Lokal Profil just made Category:PD ancient script. Rocket000 23:43, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Ellipsis? I created Category:PD ancient script because this template already existed and was a combination of PD-ineligible for the actual script and PD-self for the realisation of it. So I figured better with an own cat which can then be a subcat of both. PD-text would be quite usefull, would it also cover images like Image:A-5Spain.png? /Lokal_Profil 00:03, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I was referring to AnonMoos' "..." like he wasn't sure if it was good idea or something. I wasn't aware there was a template for ancient scripts already. And I wondered why you put it in PD-self. Rocket000 01:01, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I meant that it sounds like a good idea, assuming that there aren't any relevant legal difficulties (for example, in some cases, the arrangement and concatenation of uncopyrightable font character shapes can result in a copyrightable whole, and I don't feel personally too confident about knowing the exact point when the uncopyrightable transitions into the copyrightable...). AnonMoos 04:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Removed disclaimer

I've removed a questionable disclaimer added without edit summary, discussion or statutory/adjudicated support. The disclaimer asserted applicability of this template only to "off-the-shelf" fonts (typefaces) - an assertion seeming patently false and unsupported by Eltra Corp. vs. Ringer, among others; verbiage of "off-the-shelf", further, is imprecise and undefined as to be unworkable. While there may be instances when typographic ornamentation is so extreme as to surpass the utilitarian aspects of the typeface and render this template inappropriate, those cases, if any, may be dealt with on a case by case basis at their respective talk pages or a deletion discussion. A blanket assertion, however, that would preclude this template's use on non "off-the-shelf" typefaces, again, does not appear supported. ЭLСОВВОLД _talk 15:03, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

What I meant by "off-the-shelf" is that someone could put a corporate logo into a custom corporate logo font, but such a process of fontification would not somehow magically remove copyright from the corporate logo. If you quibble with the wording of the warning, then please discuss the matter here, but it -- or something very much like it -- is absolutely necessary, since previously people were claiming that such things as the E-bay logo (in all its multicolor overlapping glory) or the McDonald's arches fell under this template... AnonMoos (talk) 15:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I've removed the assertion. It is false and not supported by copyright law. We can work out an alternative disclaimer, but we shouldn't leave up information that is simply untrue. The disclaimer was added without the support of consensus, statutes or adjudicated decisions. ЭLСОВВОLД _talk 15:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Dude, if you have specific concrete ideas for improving or replacing the warning, then by all means bring them forth where they can be discussed -- but please DON'T simply delete the warning without offering any substitute or practical ideas for improvement -- since some form of strongly-worded warrning is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY FOR THIS PAGE (since this template seems to be naturally strongly liable to misuse...). AnonMoos (talk) 15:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

How very mature of you. I'll bring this up at the admin notice board. ЭLСОВВОLД _talk 15:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I fail to see how a strong worded warning is (-allcaps) absolutely necessary for this page. It is fairly clear, per elcobbla, the relevant laws, and the template, that there isn't a restriction on font that you say there is. There was no reason to add a replacement when removing that warning. giggy _(:O) 23:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but some such strong warning is in fact necessary, since this template is especially liable to constant misuse. It would help matters if Elcobbola would play a constructive role in offereing suggestions for the improvement of the warning -- instead of the purely negativistic and destructive role which he has pursued on this page so far... AnonMoos (talk) 03:12, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

No part of the warning is true. How can I be expected to offer an alternative when your interpretation is entirely false? Posting misinformation is not constructive; removing it is. Your disclaimer (no community consensus to add it) has already caused collateral damage. ЭLСОВВОLД _talk 03:29, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Whatever -- if it's not true that abstract font glyph shapes are uncopyrightable in the United States of America insofar as they are functional or "utilitarian" (i.e. used for their textual value, rather than as purely decorative or symbolic shapes), then I'm way off base. If it is true, then I'm basically correct (though there could always be further clarifications and improvements). You haven't shown that it's not true in any specific or comprehensible manner. Let's just reduce the matter to one very specific question: Has any court ruling or subsequently passed law overturned the following classic statement of legislative intent? --

• A "typeface" can be defined as a set of letters, numbers, or other symbolic characters, whose forms are related by repeating design elements consistently applied in a notational system and are intended to be embodied in articles whose intrinsic utilitarian function is for use in composing text or other cognizable combinations of characters. The Committee does not regard the design of typeface, as thus defined, to be a copyrightable "pictorial, graphic, or sculptural work" within the meaning of this bill and the application of the dividing line in section 101. -- H. R. Rep. No. 94-1476, 94th Congress, 2d Session at 55.

If this interpretation of the law has been overturned, please provide specific documentation of it. If this interpretation of the law has not been overturned, then I see very little problem with the warning at the top of this page (though no doubt its wording could be improved in details). AnonMoos (talk) 09:36, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Two issues here. 1.) A warning isn't "absolutely necessary". Even if everyone misused this template it still wouldn't be necessary, but probably a good idea. Still, "being a good idea" is an opinion so treat it one. 2.) This is a talk page; everyone's entitled to their opinion. Don't remove other people comments, but also don't put comments out of chronological order (i.e. putting it at the top) or make them appear to be representative of the community. If some type of warning should go on the template page, doc page, or in the template itself, then do it, but agree first. (Personally I oppose any kind of warning. I think the template speaks for itself.) Rocket000 (talk) 03:33, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I think the brief warning, a check-list of what conditions have to be met to use the template, or two lists of examples of what can and can not be covered by this template should be put on this and many other license pages. I also do not think this template speaks for itself. It does not mention which country of origin the image has to be from, and I assume not all countries have such laws. It should also mention and link to specific articles related to fonts and shapes, so we can read it by ourselves. I do not think template should be mentioning wikipedia pages which could be changing but such link should be listed in the warning/discussion below the template.--Jarekt (talk) 04:26, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

License templates are not to educate you about how/when to use the template, but how/when to use the image. Rocket000 (talk) 21:32, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Flowcharts

Hi, Would flowcharts meet the threshold to be copyrighted? Or would they be from copyright so that they can be included on wikimedia commons? OpinionPerson (talk) 23:19, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

It depends on the flowchart. Copyright doesn't care what it is, but how original it is. If it's only a couple of basic shapes with plain text and arrows it should be ok. The correct template would be {{PD-ineligible}}, not this one. Remember that facts and ideas are not copyrighted only the expressions of them are. Sometimes it's hard to tell (and actually depends a lot on what country you're in) but if you're looking for an example, I would consider something like this ineligible, but not something like this. Rocket000 (talk) 01:07, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it is only basic shapes with plain text and arrows. It is part of a PDF file which itself is copyrighted. The PDF file can be found here:

http://emofree.com/downloadeftmanual.asp . It is on the very last page of the PDF file. OpinionPerson (talk) 01:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

The link to the pdf as of today doesn't work. Is there another version somewhere? Johnmarkh (talk) 20:40, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Logos, public domain, move to commons

I would like to nominate the following logos to be moved to commons as they aren't unique, they are just geometric shapes and text:

• en:File:Circuit City logo.svg - simply a red circle with regular text in the center. Done Daniel Case (talk) 04:12, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
• en:File:Best Buy Logo.svg - was brought to my attention this is unique because of the price tag design. Isn't this geometric shap that just happens to be the shape of a price tag. I don't see anything unique here, regular black capitalized text and a yellow shape with a small circle. Done Daniel Case (talk) 04:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
• en:File:_target logo.svg - this doesn't seem to be unique either, 2 red circles and red text.  Done Daniel Case (talk) 04:30, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
• en:File:_target old logo.svg - same as above  Done Daniel Case (talk) 04:36, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
• en:File:_target logo (1968).png - same as above, albeit its italicized text, but that in itself is hardly unique.
• en:File:Kmart logo.svg - hardly unique whatsoever. It is nothing but regular text.
• en:File:Kmart1990slogoPNG.PNG - I'm willing to admit this is a little more unique, is it unique enough for copyright though?
• en:File:Bigkmart.png same as above
• en:File:Kmart australia.svg - hardly unique again, nothing but regular text here.
• en:File:Lime Kmart chevron proto.png - again, maybe? i don't know.

Forgive me also, these are all on Wikipedia and I don't know how to make them link here in Commons. I'm sure there are a lot more logos, but rather than go excessive I wanted to list these examples first, then proceed from there. Username on Wikipedia is ejfetters. 74.204.40.46 06:44, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed the links. In general, yes, to me those appear to be ineligible for copyright. They can be uploaded here manually, though changing the licenses on en-wiki (en:Template:PD-textlogo) would be a good first step. Carl Lindberg (talk) 15:18, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

What license should they have? 74.204.40.46 03:45, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

{{PD-textlogo}}, but it seems someone over there is a little revert happy. I would just upload here first and then tag the ones on Wikipedia with {{ncd}} Rocket000 (talk) 04:06, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

You (User:Daniel Case) are uploading PNG images to Commons under a .svg filename... please upload the actual SVG source ;-) I fixed a couple. Carl Lindberg (talk) 13:57, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

• en:File:Interkerkelijke Omroep Nederland logo.gif - I already uploaded it to commons, its just a regular text but maybe you can merge it with the version on en.wikipedia.org. SpeakFree (talk) 17:24, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Carl Lindberg, do you think w:File:Amgtv.PNG should me moved from en? IIRC, the law says it doesn't matter how complex the type in a logo is, but our {{PD-textlogo}} doesn't say that. Being bold and tagging, but looking for a second opinion before actually moving; wondering if we should tweak the tag. --Elvey (talk) 07:27, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Second opinion on logos

Hi guys, I would like to use a number of transit logos on the article en:Comparison of rapid transit systems, however it war recently brought to my attention that some of them are copyrighted. After having looked at many that are marked with this template, I think it also applies to others. Since I have no experience with this, can you guys give me a second opinion. Thanks!

• I believe that these qualify as PD-textlogo: en:File:Lametro.svg, en:File:MetroSP.png and en:File:MTR Corporation.svg
• I am not sure about these: en:File:Spb metro logo.svg and en:File:Shanghai Metro logo.svg
• I don't think that these do: en:File:Beijing Subway logo.png and en:File:TokyoMetro.svg

Cheers, sligocki (talk) 01:52, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Pretty sure those would all be fine in the U.S, which does not allow copyright on letters (even customized, stylized versions). A simple gradient is not enough either. I don't see any pictorial elements in any of the above images. However, some (most?) of those are from non-U.S. countries, and I have no clue about the practices there (which can be very very different). Carl Lindberg (talk) 04:38, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Here's one I can't believe is covered by this:

• File:Rihanna's The Wait is Ova.jpg

Can someone in the know give an informed opinion on where this ends? The metallic "R" is, it seems to me, far beyond "simple geometric shapes and text". Right? Amalthea (talk) 23:42, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Some clarifiation I did.

This template's text looked like it needed some clarification, so I clarified it a bit. Go see for yourself. [|Retro00064|☎talk|✍contribs|] 01:24, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Discussion on en.wikipedia -- Commons people's input needed

There's a spirited discussion currently going on at en.wiki, at en:Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content/Archive_46#Considering_Threshold_of_Originality_-_defining_a_tighter_line, as to

• whether to define a more narrow, more strict bright-line test to allow as free under {{PD-textlogo}} only a narrowly-definable subset of images which it is absolutely certain are PD, and on a precautionary basis to mark everything else as non-free, even if it might be free; and
• whether or not it is worth trying to seek expert legal opinion as to where any such line should be drawn.

Input from Commons people would be welcome, as it would be pretty much essential to have en-wiki and Commons aligned on this. Jheald (talk) 13:35, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Category:Textlogos

What about automatically categorizing logos with {{PD-textlogo}} in Category:Textlogos? --Leyo 18:27, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Using a template to add a topic category is bad practice. Multichill (talk) 14:15, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

In principle I agree. However, in this case I wouldn't call the category a real “topic category”. What about adding Category:Textlogos to all tagged files by bot? --Leyo 14:25, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Opinions on Eurovision logos requested

Previously the English Wikipedia has treated logos for the Eurovision Song Contest as copyrighted and have only uploaded them locally as non-free content, see for example w:File:ESC 2011 Germany.svg. However, recently users have started uploading Eurovision logos to Commons using this template. Since there are many such Eurovision logos that could potentially be uploaded here for every year of the content, I would appreciate confirmation that they are appropriate for Commons. Are these Eurovision logo uploads at File:Eurovision Song Contest 2011 logo.svg and File:Logo of ESC 2011 .jpg simple enough to not meet the threshold of originality? CT Cooper · talk 12:34, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

I think so. Only thing for the U.S. I think is maybe the hand-drawn heart, but that is a stretch -- just a minor variation on a common symbol. The rest is centered letters. Germany actually has a much, much higher threshold when it comes to trademarked logos (see Threshold of originality#Germany), so I don't think it's an issue there either. Carl Lindberg (talk) 14:34, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I think they will be okay as well. Thanks for your feedback. CT Cooper · talk 22:30, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Non-US law

Is the use of simple figures and text allowed in non-US jurisdictions? Remember commons is also used for other language versions than English (and even the English speaking world is wider than the US alone). SpeakFree (talk) 16:11, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

German speaking countries: yes. --Leyo 16:41, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

According to the Japanese Copyright Law, yes. A well-known judicial precedent. Takabeg (talk) 01:56, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

According to the Turkish Copyright Law, no. There is no legal basis. Takabeg (talk) 01:56, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

internationalization

I just noticed that most of the language sub-templates do not use {{PD-textlogo/layout}}, so changes to layout are not reflected. This should be fixed. --Jarekt (talk) 18:58, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

What about PD-font?

How does this line up with template:PD-font, which says that SVG versions that contain just text are nonfree? I see quite a few SVGs tagged with this that are just text. And, in fact, I was considering uploading such an SVG myself.

(Personally, I think the case law is being misapplied, as it only applied to actual fonts and not to images, and only applies because the exact points were copied verbatim, which does not happen in SVG. But the point is that you have two inconsistent templates.)

Trlkly (talk) 19:34, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

PD-font is about bitmap font representations, which have some pretty solid case law as not being copyrighted. The law specifies "typeface as typeface" is not copyrightable; Congress has always been fairly definite about not granting copyright to typeface design (it was considered and explicitly rejected; there was even a failed international convention on the matter). That "typeface as typeface" phrase is a bit odd and not quite defined; however, modern computer fonts are considered computer programs and protected that way, since the 1980s sometime. The Copyright Office still maintained that kerning, hinting, and other non-outline materials in the font were the elements that elevated it to a program, and there were some court cases where fonts were converted from one format to another and renamed, which resulted in derivative works judgements. There is one court case however where someone took only the outline data from a font and used it to make a new one, and the judge ruled that not OK -- slightly at odds with the computer program vs typeface logic, but the judge felt that was too much out of bounds. However, generating a bitmap, then using that bitmap to trace vectors from, has been ruled OK I think (this is in the U.S.). So, courts do seem to allow typeface as software, or something like that, but definitely not bitmaps. It does seem clear that any *use* of a font, i.e. to be read as words or at least letters (say in a logo) should not be a problem, even vector ones. It does however get dicier when you are dealing with font example sheets, particularly ones which contain every glyph in the font, as that could be seen as a vehicle to be used to make a copy of a font -- bitmaps are on fairly safe ground, but vectors like SVGs are a lot more of a gray area. UK law is more explicit and I think similar, except I don't think they have the bitmap loophole -- if you use the elements of one font to create another, even going through bitmaps, that may be an issue. However, any usage of a font is fine; they are not infringing on the font. The UK sections of law are here and here.

In short, to me PD-textlogo is mainly for logos and other uses of fonts for their intended purpose (i.e. things where the letters mean something); PD-font is more for specially trading on the U.S. bitmap rulings when it comes to letters (and could also cover font example sheets, which are not really uses of the font). SVG font example sheets are something more of a gray area, I think, though still possibly OK. Carl Lindberg (talk) 23:50, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Okay, cool. That's actually what I thought. But I think that means that PD-font should be rewritten somewhat to be more clear. I also see it attached to files that should be either PD-textlogo or PD-text. In fact, such a case is the reason I brought it up in the first place: A JPEG file I am replacing uses PD-font when it's clearly a logo.

Thanks again for the information. I just hope we can figure out how to make that more clear to uploaders. Trlkly (talk) 08:34, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

There is probably some overlap ;-) A bitmap logo of nothing but letters from a font probably could use either tag, though PD-textlogo is probably better. They both come from different aspects of the same part of the law, I guess, so not too surprising. Carl Lindberg (talk) 13:46, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Okay. I know about PD-textlogo and PD-font. Thanks :) and Thank you.:-)--182.12.49.180 13:35, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Usage issue

Should we make this edit? s/This image/The text or logo in this image/ The usage of this template at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Coca-Cola_Glas_mit_Eis.jpg doesn't quite work. Other ideas? Make it context-sensitive? --Elvey (talk) 18:25, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Bump.--Elvey (talk) 07:27, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Edit request

{{Edit request}}

Please update the link to the English Wikipedia so that it points to WP:PD#Fonts and typefaces instead of WP:PD#Fonts. Thank you! —Mr. Granger (talk  · contribs) 21:02, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Is any administrator going to do this? Ed ^{[talk] [en:majestic titan]} 23:25, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

 Done --Didym (talk) 23:35, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

PD question

This image exists on the English wiki and is being treated as "fair use" and has even been flagged for deletion. It is a picture of a clasp that only contains the text "FRANCE AND GERMANY". Would this fall under the terms of PD-textlogo or maybe another PD template, or does the fact that it's a picture of an object rather than a generated image make a difference? Robman94 (talk) 15:46, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

The file has been deleted, so I'm not sure what the file looked like, but the filename suggests that it is a photograph of a 3D object. If that is case, the file is unfree per COM:ART#Photograph of an old coin found on the Internet, unless the photographer has licensed the photograph. Maybe User:Diannaa, who deleted the file on Wikipedia, could tell what the file looks like. --Stefan4 (talk) 16:47, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

The object looks like figure 6 on this page. -- Diannaa (talk) 18:48, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 September 2015

{{Edit request}}

In the English-language version of this template, replace the text "and/or" with simply "or" per w:MOS:ANDOR. I know that's an English Wikipedia style guideline, but it ought to apply across all project wikis, especially on something as highly visible as this one, which does appear on English Wikipedia file pages too. Thanks! – voidxor 21:42, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

 Done--Jarekt (talk) 11:41, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Question

Halo. I want to upload the SVG version of:

• File:EtihadAirways-AbuDhabi-MasterLogo-Eng.jpg,
• File:Logo Etihad Regional.png,
• File:Spirit airlines logo14.png,
• File:Frontier airlines logo14.png,
• File:WestJet new logo.png, and
• File:Logo pindad.png,

but I doubt about the copyright. Is this template fit to the SVG version of those files? Or is it possible if I upload it to commons, or not? Tiktomoro (talk) 17:23, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Logo

Hello, I want to ask you, if you can use this template on these logos. Thank you.

• File:20th Century Fox Logo.png
• File:Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them Logo.png
• File:Horor film Logo.png
• File:Walden Media Logo.png
• File:Industrial Light & Magic Logo.png
• File:Reign Logo.png

RiniX (talk) 15:13, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

No. The question really isn't is there text in the logo, it's if there is any other pictorial art separate from the shape of the letters. For the U.S., stylized letters are still letters, but once you get into those extended swirling parts, those are separate from the letter. Most of those above have a pictorial element which is greater than the threshold of originality. The Fantastic Beasts one is where the surface of the letters themselves has separable artwork (i.e., you can conceptually separate the artwork from the shape of the letters, and it would still qualify as artwork). The Horor logo is probably the closest to being OK -- that one is a bit arguable, the argument being if the dripping blood part of the drawing is enough to be copyrightable on its own. I still would lean delete on it. Carl Lindberg (talk) 16:53, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. RiniX (talk) 17:13, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

But, how it's with simple geometric shapes? Because, you can have letters and than logo, which looks like some simple geometric shape... RiniX (talk) 17:20, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Redirects

Template:PD-textlogo  
3628  Template:Pd-textlogo (redirect page)
3553  Template:PD-logo (redirect page)
3052  Template:PD-Textlogo (redirect page)
838   Template:PD-TextLogo (redirect page)
589   Template:Textlogo (redirect page)
568   Template:PD-text-logo (redirect page)
362   Template:PD-text logo (redirect page)
195   Template:Pd-logo (redirect page)

-- deleted: 
0    Template:نگاره نوشتاری (redirect page)
6    Template:Pd-text-logo (redirect page)
15   Template:PDtextlogo (redirect page)
24   Template:PD-Logo testuale (redirect page)

Ecosia globe

I uploaded the central portion of the Ecosia logo to Commons (jpg/png) for use in a userbox on the English Wikipedia (W:User:NadirAli/Userbox/Ecosia) as I deemed it to be below the threshold of originality, and thought I'd better mention it here in case I was wrong and the image is not PD. nagualdesign 19:32, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

FUNTORO Logo

Hello, recently I upload a FUNTORO Logo on en-wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Logo_of_MSI_FUNTORO,_Jan_2018.png
When I want to use it in FUNTORO article on ru-wikipedia, I found I can't use it because of the copyright protection. I represent the owner of the logo and now what I should do, so that I can use the logo in another article?
Use the Template:PD-textlogo ? Or I should use the Commons:Email templates to declare that the logo can be used in other article?
Thanks for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by B3581475 (talk • contribs) 13:37, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by B3581475 (talk • contribs) 13:40, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

It would qualify for PD-textlogo for the U.S. -- I don't think there is any copyright in the U.S., so there is nothing to "own" (other than the trademark). Less sure about Taiwan, since I don't know those laws at all. But, you could upload it under PD-textlogo probably. Carl Lindberg (talk) 16:23, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Edit request 23 Aug 2018

Slight grammar tweak: please change "This image only consists of ..." to "This image consists only of ...". The word "only" is an intensifier of the objects of the sentence, not of the verb "consists". Anachronist (talk) 23:27, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

 Done Эlcobbola _talk 19:02, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Categorization

@Sarang: You made so that all SVGs with this template get categorized in Category:SVG text logos. Can you also make so that all non-svg logos get categorized with Category:Text logos?Jonteemil (talk) 18:37, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done see the template documentation -- sarang♥사랑 07:49, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

@Sarang: Perfect. I think I made the code a bit better at Template:PD-textlogo/sandbox but I didn't have a part which said "if not a file, don't categorize into Category:PD textlogo". Other than that I think they have the same output if the same input.Jonteemil (talk) 18:01, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

My problem had been to write either "Text logo", or "... text logo"; therefore I made it a bit more complicated. As my fault, I did not realize that categorizing automatically uppercases the first letter of the resulting category name.

I inserted the namespace check into the sandbox, so your easier version does now really the same. -- sarang♥사랑 07:47, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

@Sarang: Perfect! Then it can replace the content of this template?Jonteemil (talk) 15:33, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

It is heavily used template, so a replacement of a correct working version by another one doing the same just simpler seems not necessary. We can do it next time when another change becomes necessary. -- sarang♥사랑 15:40, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Alright, I'll keep the refined version in the sandbox then.Jonteemil (talk) 16:40, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

I think this type of autocategorisation is problematic because it prevents the file from being put into any subcategories of Category:SVG text logos or Category:Text logos without overcategorisation. The main category "Text logos" has now grown to some 78k files and desperately needs diffusion. So, could you perhaps add another parameter similar to |type= where a logo subcategory can be defined instead of "Text logo" or "SVG text logo"? De728631 (talk) 20:23, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Replacing "non-free" logo

Hello all,

The logo for Run for Something, seen here, is labeled as non-free and is of low quality. However, since it is exclusively a text-based image, I believe it would fit under the criteria here. However, I do not possess the skills to replace the current image with one of higher quality under a different stated copyright status. Could someone help out here? Thanks. (If this isn't the right place for this, let me know as well.) AllegedlyHuman (talk) 05:37, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. I've transferred the logo to Commons. Ixfd64 (talk) 18:16, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion to replace PD-textlogo for logos considered ineligible for copyright

Please see the discussion related to this template at Commons:Village pump/Proposals#Replacing PD-textlogo for logos considered ineligible for copyright. mattbr 20:01, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

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I have a question based on Special:Diff/719228878 from @Jonteemil:
Many files in Category:SVG_text_logos do not contain any text, should they be removed from this category?
 — Johannes Kalliauer - Talk | Contributions 16:50, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

According to me, yes, but of course it is possible that I have been mistaken.Jonteemil (talk) 00:51, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

@Jonteemil and Magog the Ogre: I agree, however Template:PD-logo links to Template:PD-textlogo.

Accoding to @Sarang: in Special:Diff/680006575#PD_licenses ;- Template:PD-logo is used 7K times, which agrees with the description in Template:PD-font/doc#See_also reading as For logos that only consist of simple geometric shapes and/or text, use {{PD-textlogo}}.

I would put most of the logos in either {{PD-ineligible}} or {{PD-shape}}, which disagrees with the Template:PD-ineligible/doc#See_also.

 — Johannes Kalliauer - Talk | Contributions 22:03, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Eh. The tag says This logo image consists only of simple geometric shapes or text. So it's encompassing some of {{PD-shape}}, but really both are using the same law (they are all just forms of {{PD-ineligible}}). There is some particular U.S. law around typefaces not being copyrightable, which is a bit more of a specific aspect for PD-textlogo -- for example, the Avid logo up there is actually a form of typeface. Most of those don't have that aspect, but the basic reason (below the threshold of originality in the U.S.) is the same between the tags, so it doesn't make much difference to me. There is nothing special, copyright-wise, about being a logo or not. Some of those are dubious; for example File:2019 30th SEA Games.svg is made up of simple geometric shapes yes, but the arrangement almost certainly has a copyright. Carl Lindberg (talk) 08:00, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Edit request

{{Edit request}}

At Template:PD-textlogo/en, please replace WP:PD#Fonts and typefaces]] with WP:PD § Fonts and typefaces]] to match the standard formatting used in {{Section link}}. Note that there is a non-breaking space between the § and the word "Fonts", but <nowiki> is regrettably malfunctioning and not displaying the code properly. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 23:04, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done --Lucas Werkmeister (talk) 23:29, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Edit request for category redirects

{{Edit request}} Can you add it so that this template follows category redirects? [2] I made and tested an example, using

with the actual template, and

with the sandbox. Smasongarrison (talk) 18:34, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

@Smasongarrison (or others): Is there precedent for this? I thought usually the software doesn’t follow category redirects? Lucas Werkmeister (talk) 19:29, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't know why we wouldn't use a redirect. Smasongarrison (talk) 23:11, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Smasongarrison I think it is a bad idea to be adding non-maintenance categories through templates. Such categories to not work with all the tools we use for maintaining categories. Your proposed edit adds unnecessary bulk to the page and overcomplicates something that should not be very complicated. --Jarekt (talk) 04:16, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Excellent point. Happy to withdraw the nomination. Smasongarrison (talk) 00:22, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Alright, disabling the edit request then. --Lucas Werkmeister (talk) 12:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

"Template:PD-textlogo with extra parameter"

Why is this a redcat? Category:Template:PD-textlogo with extra parameter is set on many files like File:CC-logo.svg. Prototyperspective (talk) 10:37, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

@Prototyperspective: A good-will edit by Minorax accidently did this but I think I fixed it. Jonteemil (talk) 21:15, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. Prototyperspective (talk) 09:33, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Suggestion to include PD-textlogo in the Upload Wizard

 You are invited to join the discussion at Commons_talk:WMF_support_for_Commons/Upload_Wizard_Improvements#c-Sdkb-20240919034600-Sannita_(WMF)-20240918135700. Sdkb ^talk 18:15, 26 September 2024 (UTC)