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Sennecaster

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This is a closed request for license reviewer status. Do not make edits to it.

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  •   Questions by Grand-Duc (will try to invent some nice problems):
  1. An elder German tourist travels through Belgium and happens to shoot some Franco-Belgic comic frescos painted on building walls, e.g. Tintin motifs. He is fond of the Wikipedia ideals and tries every now and then to contribute. But as he is not really used to computers, barely able to send E-Mails with attachments, he gets into touch with a relative in the US and mails him his pictures. The relative, knowledgeable about computers, wants to upload these pictures to Commons and contacts the VRT. How would you respond and what help can you provide, if any?
  2. A heir that of a German veteran of WWII who died in the 1960s complains via VRT about the Commons hosting of images taken by his late relative. The uploader took them from some US armed forces site who claimed them as confiscated alien property. How would you respond to them?
N.B. Modern primat asked for some copyright related questions. So, I endeavoured to invent something that asks for some elaborations about the subject, even without clear-cut answers to be found. Regards, Grand-Duc (talk) 22:15, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright these won't require "some" elaboration. I didn't think it would be possible to face harder scrutiny than the enwiki RFA standard without running for steward but here we are.
1. is impossible to answer perfectly without seeing the actual substance, scenario, and ticket. Furthermore a VRT ticket would be responded to by multiple people and we frequently ask for assistance. You said that these are Franco-Belgian. We would establish that they were taken in Belgium first, because France has no FOP. If they were not, then deny permission with an explanation of FOP and why we have to decline. If in Belgium, great! I would probably, once actually figuring out that it's someone assisting with the uploads and being mad aware of the technological limitation, ask that person to have them physically mail the WMF with a statement of permission. Or, like a good VRT agent would do, ask for assistance in our multiple channels of communication to other agents.
2. Also impossible to answer to your satisfaction without an exact ticket. I also probably wouldn't handle this specific ticket because I'm not familiar with wartime copyright seizures by the US Armed Forces and would leave it to someone else to begin with. What is the nature of the complaint? Is it that the images are copyrighted, or improperly attributed? This is an edge case that I would absolutely not answer without opinions from other agents. It could be that copyright protection is not available and that we cannot take down the image under Commons copyright policy. However again, this may not be the right answer without knowing exact specifics of a ticket and I am extremely likely to ignore the ticket, ask for help, or flag it for a fellow agent to handle.
VRT is highly situational and it is extremely difficult and almost counterintuitive to give scenarios when we rely on extensive back and forth. I tried my best but don't sue me if something is wrong. We almost never solely rely on ourselves without reaching out for tricky cases; I've weighed in on tickets that some of the most experienced agents have asked for help with. Sennecaster (talk) 23:17, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ups. Here I went again overboard with my ideas... Sorry. Well - I designed the first problem basically around the issue of the country of origin of a work. A German would be perfectly fine in uploading pictures taken abroad under FOP prerogatives. A relevant term would be Lex loci protectionis. German FOP is quite permissive, covering 3D, 2D and text, as long as these works are permanently placed publicly (permanently meaning for an indefinite duration of for the lifetime of the work. The latter limitation gets relevant when e.g. a snow sculpture or a graffiti is the subject of the case - both are usually covered). But: one could argue that the country of origin in my example case is NOT Germany, as the photographer did not publish his stills himself. Belgium and tThe US both do not have sufficient FOP for painted murals. On sites that aren't mostly oriented towards and visited by a local (German) clientele, the FOP claim may pose problems. //Modified, forgot that Belgium introduced FOP rules suitable for Commons (-> COM:FOP Belgium); while writing, I had images like this one in my mind. GD
The second problem is again designed for involving the relationships between US and foreign copyrights. In fact, there are a lot of WWII images that were seized by US forces and later uploaded on Commons that sport a tag warning about their usage in Wikipedia editions that do not rely on the PD-US statement. The heir in question could IMHO have asked for deletion, as the country of origin is invariably somewhere in continental Europe, where 70 years PMA is the norm, disregarding US confiscations. I got inspired to this question by the invocation of "URAA" in the nomination.
I'm sorry that I apparently came across like I wanted to grill you. My intention was to gauge your approach of complex tasks, so my "satisfaction" was not primarily to be gained by knowledge elaborations. You explained a way of carefully approaching a subject, hence:   Support. Regards, Grand-Duc (talk) 00:12, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mostly work with FOP where country taken = country published, or if not then the underlying copyright and any copyright treaties would make it ineligible for Commons. URAA sucks. And it's alright, I just feel like these kinds of questions are "gotcha!"s from me stalking the license reviewer requests for about 2 years now. No harm, no foul, I was just surprised at how hard these questions were even in comparison to Di's. Sennecaster (talk) 01:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
im not expert at corresponding copyright rules. but i trust grand-duc.   Weak support. modern_primat ඞඞඞ ----TALK 12:04, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Promoted. -- CptViraj (talk) 19:18, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kakan spelar

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  1. There was recently a publicity event for some celebrity, a member of your peer group, who happens to both know about your hobby of participating in the Wikimedia universe and to be a fan of the celebrity, offers images from his social media stream for you to upload. What are the most important points to observe before any upload here? What question should you ask about those images?
  2. A tourist from abroad, let's say Germany or Austria, travelled in Sweden and shot some photos of models from the Sweden Solar System, including their explanatory signs. Are these acceptable for an upload here?
  3. Please explain the shorthand "70 years PMA" that you often encounter here in your own words.

Regards, Grand-Duc (talk) 16:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Grand-Duc:
  1. The first thing would be to confirm that they took the picture and that they is the copyright owner. Second would be that they, either wrote on their social media page that they release the pictures under a license that's allowed on Commons, or that they contact VRT. Also depending where the pictures were taken, people could also have personality rights, but in this case, the pictures was taken at a publicity event where you would have no reasonable privacy.
  2. No, because information boards is seen as a work of literature and is not covered by Swedish FoP (see Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/Sweden#Information_boards_and_maps). But if they wouldn't take pictures of the information boards and the models were in public, we would be able to accept the photos. Even though Swedish FoP is a mess and unclear, we do not remove pictures because of solely the court ruling the Swedish Supreme Court made to Wikimedia Sweden and their website offentligkonst.se in 2016 (see Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/Sweden#Public_art).
  3. "70 years PMA" is how long copyright lasts in most countries in the world (including the US if it was published after 1977). It means that the copyright lasts author's life + 70 years. Some countries have more or less years. // Kakan spelar (talk) 17:55, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good answers, Kakan spelar! But I still have an addendum for the third one: how do you calculate the exact date for a work to enter public domain? Please do this for Salvador Dalí, Thomas Mann and Astrid Lindgren while thinking about countries with 70 years PMA. Regards, Grand-Duc (talk) 18:09, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
With Salvador Dalí, let's say The Persistence of Memory, it will be in PD in the US in 2027. This is because the painting was released in 1931, when US copyright had a total of 95 years of protection from publication. But we can't upload it to Commons due to Spainish copyright law. In Spain, it will go out in the public domain in 2060, because they have author's life + 70 if the author died after December 7, 1987.
With Thomas Mann, and let's say Lotte in Weimar: The Beloved Returns, it will get into the PD in the US in 2035 because it was published in 1939 + 95 years. In Germany it will be PD in 2026, because Thomas Mann died in 1955 + 70 years.
Lastly, with Astrid Lindgren let's go with Pippi Longstocking. Her first book didn't get restored by URAA, but her three other was. This means that her three last books isn't in PD anymore. In Sweden, the copyrights will expire 2073, because she died in 2002. In the US, for an example, her second book, Pippi Goes on Board, will expire in 2042, because that's 95 years after publication. // Kakan spelar (talk) 20:43, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Do anyone want to approve it? I see no problems, and I want to begin, I'm bored :D // Kakan spelar (talk) 16:28, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Done no objections. All the Best -- Chuck Talk 16:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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