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Hi! Both versions are fine with me, but imho we should prefer author's version. Regards, --Ivar (talk) 05:47, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
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Your work is a nominated here. JKadavoor Jee 16:35, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
- Great, thank you very much for the information. --Tuxyso (talk) 07:59, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
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Hallo Norbert! Zu deinem inhaltlichen Punkt "lack of details" habe ich auf QI bereits geantwortet - ich sehe das ganz und gar nicht so, aber man kann sich ja in der Sache uneinig sein - dafür gibt es zum Glück CR.
Hier schreibe ich dir weil ich deine Aussage "the camera is probably not capable to cope with QI demands. " für sehr problematisch halte. Wenn man so etwas raushaut ist es immer besser, sich vorher über die Kamera zu informieren, über die man urteilt. Es handelt sich um eine Olympus XZ-1 mit einem exzellenten Zuiko-Objektiv (sogar mit RAW-Unterstützung). Du kannst dich gerne mal auf einschlägigen Seiten über die Kamera informieren. Nach vorangegangener umfangreicher Recherche halte ich diese Kamera für ein Kompaktmodell mit dem nahezu besten P/L-Verhältnis, die man bekommen kann. Ich schreibe dir hier auch, weil ich so einen Kommentar kontraproduktiv finde. Suggeriert er doch, dass man nur mit einer teuren DSLR-Ausrüstung QIs fotografieren kann. Mit Verlaub, das ist großer Quatsch. Damit demotivierst du Leute, die keine DSLR zur Verfügung haben. QI hat doch nichts mit der Kamera zu tun, sondern damit, wie ich ein Bild aufnehme, wie ich es komponiere und belichte.
Ich würde mir in Zukunft etwas abwägendere und besser informierte Kommentare wünschen.
P.S.: Nicht jeder hat eine D800 und sollte dennoch bei QI mitmachen dürfen :) --Tuxyso (talk) 14:21, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
- Wenn du dir z.B. File:Wedding Skyline San Diego 2013.jpg anschaust, sehe ich wirklich nicht, wo die XZ-1 "not capable for QI" sein soll. Ich finde die Kamera ganz hervorragend. --Tuxyso (talk) 15:19, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
Es war ja auch nur ein freundlicher Erklärungsvorschlag. Dann hat es eben andere Gründe, daß die Bildqualität nicht so doll ist. -- Norbert Nagel (talk) 17:29, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
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Hello Tuxyso and all other English speaking friends. Sorry, I do not speak English.
Das ist auch der Grund weshalb ich hier keine Bewertung zu anderen Bildern abgeben kann. Die Begründung einer negativen Bewertung ist enorm wichtig und muss auch diskutiert werden können. Gebe ich aber kommentarlos nur positive Stimmen bei Bildern die es nach meiner Meinung auch verdienen, kommt das auch blöd rüber.
Nun aber zur eigentlichen Frage: Ich fotografiere bei Flugshows und Autorennen seit geraumer Zeit nur noch mit Einbeinstativ und gutem Kugelkopf. Als Optik hat sich für mich das Sigma 50-500mm mit Bildstabilisator bewährt, welches ich nie mit seiner Anfangsblende 5,6/6,3 benutze, sondern immer mindestens auf Blende =>8 abblende. Lieber schraube ich an meiner D700 bei fehlendem Licht den ISO-Wert hoch. Die Belichtungszeit für propellergetriebene Flugzeuge stelle ich meistens zwischen 125 - 350/1 Sekunde, damit genug Bewegungsunschärfe an der Luftschraube ist. Das bedeutet, dass ich „manuell“ belichte, da die ISO-Automatik aber aktiviert ist, werden Helligkeitsunterschiede die sich im dunklen Aufnahmebereiche befinden ausgeglichen. Die von mir gewählte Blende richtet sich nach den helleren Lichtwerten im Aufnahmebereich. Zum Messen der LW benutze ich die Spot- oder die Integralmessung der Kamera um einen groben Wert der Kontrastverhältnisse zu bekommen. Sehr oft benutze ich auch noch einen Handbelichtungsmesser, was häufig belächelt wird. Dafür verliere ich nicht minutenlang Zeit damit meine Bilder auf dem Display zu kontrollieren.
Die Fotos schieße ich im Nikon NEF-RAW-Format und übertrage dann die Bilder mit Adobe-Lightroom ins Adobe-DNG-Format. Die Entwicklung der Bilder erfolgt dann auch zu 98% mit dieser Software. Ganz wichtig ist die Objektivkorrektur zur oben genannten Optik anzuwenden, da dieses Objektiv bei langer Brennweite eine sehr starke Vignettierung hat, die damit eliminiert wird.
So lieber Tuxyso, jetzt liegt es an dir diese Informationen auch unseren englischsprachigen Kollegen zugänglich zu machen, wäre nett, wenn du (oder auch jemand anderes) den Inhalt übersetzen würdest. Denn das gibt der Googletranslator nicht her, den ich sonst immer benutze um hier einigermaßen was zu verstehen ;-) So long --Ritchyblack (talk) 14:06, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Translation: My missing English language skills are the reason why I do not vote for other photos here. Notably for negative votes an in detail justification is very important for further discussion. Positive statements for photos without any explanatory comment seem to be also odd to other users. To the core of your question: On flight shows and car races I photograph with a monopod and ball head. I use the Sigma 50-500 lens with image stabilizer never at open apperture of f5.6/6.3 but at a minimum of f8. On my D700 I prefer higher ISO values instead of open apperture shots. The optimum shutter speed for propeller-driven aircrafts is from my experience between 1/125sec to 1/350sec to preserve the movement of the propeller on the photo. I always expose in manual mode with activated Auto ISO function for compensation of brightness differences. The apperture is oriented to the bright areas on the photo. For exposure measurement I use the spot or integral method to get an rough value for the contrast ratio of the scene. Very often I still use a light meter and other photographers smile at me for that. Compared to the other (smiling) photographers I do not look permantely on the camera display for checking the correct exposure of my photos. I shoot in Nikon RAW format (NEF) import the photos in Lightroom and convert them to the manufacturer-independent Adobe DNG format. The development of the RAW files is done in Lightroom for 98% of my photos. Very important is to activate the lens correction profiles especially for the Sigma lens mentioned above to eliminate its strong vignetting.
- Vielen Dank für die Info. Ich habe diese Mal von Hand übersetzt und hoffe, dass die anderen User damit etwas anfangen können. Ich finde übrigens interessant, dass du einen Belichtungsmesser benutzt. Ohne Belichtungsmesser sollte man den gleichen Effekt erreichen, wenn man eine Spot-Messung auf einer Graukarte durchführt, oder? Einen Satz habe ich nicht so recht verstanden: "Die von mir gewählte Blende richtet sich nach den helleren Lichtwerten im Aufnahmebereich". Meinst du stattdessen eher: Die Blende richtet sich nach der verfügbaren Lichtmenge, ist aber immer >= f8?! --Tuxyso (talk) 19:39, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
- Super gemacht, danke dafür! "Die Blende richtet sich nach der verfügbaren Lichtmenge", genau, die Blende muss dann bei Erreichen des kleinsten ISO-Werts abgeblendet werden, Blende >= f8 allerdings nur in Bezug auf das 50-500 Sigma-Objektiv, bei Konzertaufnahmen und Verwendung von lichtstarken Objektiven ist das dann auch mal Blende f3,5-4.
- Graukartenmessung, klar geht das auch mit einer 18% Graukarte. Sind die Lichtverhältnisse beim Motiv und beim Fotografen die gleichen, so kann die Messung auf die Graukarte auch am Standort des Fotografen durchgeführt werden. Dann aber bitte das Objektiv auf die Distanz einstellen welche dem Aufnahmeabstand zum Motiv entspricht, da hier bei großen Abbildungsmaßstäben Lichtverluste auftreten können. Ersatzweise kann man auch auf die Handinnenfläche messen, das hat den Vorteil, dass man die immer dabei hat. Die Hand reflektiert natürlich mehr als 18%, hat man diese Reflektion mal mit der Graukarte/Belichtungsmesser abgeglichen (bei mir sind es ziemlich genau 2/3 LW) liefert sie auch in Zukunft verlässliche Messwerte bei kritischen Lichtsituationen. Der Belichtungsmesser ist halt in der Handhabung super komfortabel der liefert ohne groß Kopfrechnen den LW-Dynamikumfang von Licht/Schatten. --Ritchyblack (talk) 05:35, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
- OK, dann habe ich es doch richtig verstanden. Du blendest ab um bei deiner bewegungsunschärfetauglichen Belichtungszeit bleiben zu können. "Objektiv auf die Distanz stellen wegen Lichtverlusten" -> das war mir nicht bekannt, bei veränderter Brennweite ist das logisch wegen der veränderten Anfangsblende, das eine unterschiedliche Fokus-Distanz Einfluss darauf hat, war mir hingegen neu. Ich muss gestehen, dass ich aus der digitalen DSLR-Generation komme und mein Wissen über Belichtungsmesser bisher ausschließlich aus Büchern stammt. Den LW-Dynamikumfang misst du doch mit einem Belichtungsmesser nicht unmittelbar, sondern du führst zunächst damit eine genaue Lichtmessung an dem Objekt (z.B. Gesicht einer Person), das du fotografieren möchtest, durch. Der Dynamikumfang ergibt sich doch eigentlich erst dadurch, dass du deine Messung im hellsten und dunkelsten Bereich der Szene machst, oder? Den Trick mit der Hand habe ich auch schon mal gehört und scheint offenbar einfach in der Umsetzung zu sein.--Tuxyso (talk) 08:20, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
- Natürlich muss ich zwei Messungen von hell und dunkel machen, das hab ich unverständlich formuliert, der Belichtungsmesser rechnet dann auf Knopfdruck den Dynamikumfang aus und liefert auch noch den Mittelwert. --Ritchyblack (talk) 09:34, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
- Danke für die Info. Ich werde mir heute mal ein Belichtungsmesser ausleihen und ein wenig rumspielen :) --Tuxyso (talk) 09:37, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
- Natürlich muss ich zwei Messungen von hell und dunkel machen, das hab ich unverständlich formuliert, der Belichtungsmesser rechnet dann auf Knopfdruck den Dynamikumfang aus und liefert auch noch den Mittelwert. --Ritchyblack (talk) 09:34, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
- OK, dann habe ich es doch richtig verstanden. Du blendest ab um bei deiner bewegungsunschärfetauglichen Belichtungszeit bleiben zu können. "Objektiv auf die Distanz stellen wegen Lichtverlusten" -> das war mir nicht bekannt, bei veränderter Brennweite ist das logisch wegen der veränderten Anfangsblende, das eine unterschiedliche Fokus-Distanz Einfluss darauf hat, war mir hingegen neu. Ich muss gestehen, dass ich aus der digitalen DSLR-Generation komme und mein Wissen über Belichtungsmesser bisher ausschließlich aus Büchern stammt. Den LW-Dynamikumfang misst du doch mit einem Belichtungsmesser nicht unmittelbar, sondern du führst zunächst damit eine genaue Lichtmessung an dem Objekt (z.B. Gesicht einer Person), das du fotografieren möchtest, durch. Der Dynamikumfang ergibt sich doch eigentlich erst dadurch, dass du deine Messung im hellsten und dunkelsten Bereich der Szene machst, oder? Den Trick mit der Hand habe ich auch schon mal gehört und scheint offenbar einfach in der Umsetzung zu sein.--Tuxyso (talk) 08:20, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
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Laß das mal rot. Die verzerrten Türme gefallen mir weder so noch so. Alles rundrum bleibt nämlich schief, das stimmt alles nicht. Ich hätte aus dem Touri-Bus aussteigen müssen und das zu Fuß machen müssen, es war aber sowas von heiß, über 50°C im Schatten. --Ralf Roleček 20:14, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
- Ich war in dem Fall tatsächlich unsicher, ob ich auf Decline gehen sollte. Der Vorteil an Decline ist, dass das Bild, sofern du dann auf Discuss wechselst, eine höhere Aufmerksamkeit erhält als wenn es die ganze Zeit auf blau bleibt. Es war in dem Fall aber wohl tatsächlich nicht mehr sehr viel herauszuholen, so dass du mir hoffentlich nicht übel nimmst, dass ich die "Reißleine" gezogen habe. Grüße, --Tuxyso (talk) 20:43, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
- Eine ehrliche Meinung mit Begründung hilft doch, bei eigenen Bildern ist man oft verblendet. Geht mir zumindest so. Alles ok. Insel Neuwerk bei FPC nehm ich mir nachher mal am Großbildschirm vor. --Ralf Roleček 07:51, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
- Gut gut. Meine Kommentare sind immer sachlich und konstruktiv gemeint. Vielleicht kannst du bei der Insel Neuwerk ja noch eine kleine Verbesserung erzielen. Das Bild ist dennoch wirklich toll. Da du schon öfters Flugfotos gemacht hast: Welche Einstellungen an der Kamera wählst du? Bildstabilisator an oder aus? Ggf. werde ich in dieser oder nächster Woche bei einem guten Bekannten im Flugzeug sitzen und einige Fotos machen können. Mit welchen Brennweiten hast du gute Erfahrungen gemacht? Ich plane mit einem guten Tele 70-200/f2.8, ggf. Ultra-WW 14-24 (beides an Vollformat, 36 Mpx) und einem normal Zoom, z.B. 18-105 oder 17-55 an DX (16 Mpx). --Tuxyso (talk) 08:21, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
- Jetzt ist Neuwerk gedreht und sieht noch schiefer aus ;) Aber mit Hilfslinie stimmt es so, ist wirklich schon ein bißchen Erdkrümmung drin. Zum Thema Flüge hab ich mal was aufgeschrieben: User:Ralf_Roletschek/Nordfriesische_Inseln#Fototechnik - ich habe fast immer das 2,8/24-70 an Crop benutzt. Polfilter hab ich bald abgemacht, dafür ist keine Zeit. Den Dunst blase ich bei der RAW-Entwicklung weg, das schafft kein Filter. Wichtig ist das richtige Flugzeug, wir haben da immer die D0-27, ideal für solche Zwecke. --Ralf Roleček 09:49, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
- Gut gut. Meine Kommentare sind immer sachlich und konstruktiv gemeint. Vielleicht kannst du bei der Insel Neuwerk ja noch eine kleine Verbesserung erzielen. Das Bild ist dennoch wirklich toll. Da du schon öfters Flugfotos gemacht hast: Welche Einstellungen an der Kamera wählst du? Bildstabilisator an oder aus? Ggf. werde ich in dieser oder nächster Woche bei einem guten Bekannten im Flugzeug sitzen und einige Fotos machen können. Mit welchen Brennweiten hast du gute Erfahrungen gemacht? Ich plane mit einem guten Tele 70-200/f2.8, ggf. Ultra-WW 14-24 (beides an Vollformat, 36 Mpx) und einem normal Zoom, z.B. 18-105 oder 17-55 an DX (16 Mpx). --Tuxyso (talk) 08:21, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
- Eine ehrliche Meinung mit Begründung hilft doch, bei eigenen Bildern ist man oft verblendet. Geht mir zumindest so. Alles ok. Insel Neuwerk bei FPC nehm ich mir nachher mal am Großbildschirm vor. --Ralf Roleček 07:51, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for reviewing this picture. I have replaced gargoyle 8 with another shot taken a few minutes later. He's sharp this time. Could you have another look please. Cheers, Colin (talk) 20:12, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
Done. Question: What does "gargoyle" mean? The English-German dictionary explains it as "gothic creature which spouts water". Is that the correct meaning? --Tuxyso (talk) 20:41, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
- Wikipedia's English article links to de:Wasserspeier? I believe that if the stone creature doesn't spout water, then technically it is called a "grotesque", but everyone just calls them gargoyles. I don't know if these spout water but they have openings in their mouths to do so and "gargoyle" is the term the abbey use to describe them. Colin (talk) 07:56, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Histogramm Black-necked Stilt
Hallo Tuxyso,
erstmal vielen herzlichen Dank dass Du dir die Zeit nimmst, Kandidaturen für Qualitätsbilder zu bewerten. Ich finde es immer wieder toll, dass dieses System so prima funktioniert. Beim nebenstehenden Bild habe ich das Histogramm nochmal überprüft. Wenn es um die RGB-Werte geht, so glaube ich, dass der Ausschlag nach oben unvermeidbar ist (starker Schwarz-Weiß-Kontrast). Eine Überbelichtung der von dir markierten Stelle liegt meines Erachtens nach nicht vor. Du kannst das selber in Lightroom überprüfen: auf einem Mac hältst Du dazu die ALT-Taste gedrückt und verschiebst den Weiß-Regler nach rechts. Der Bildschirm wird damit komplett schwarz eingefärbt und im Falle von Überbelichtungen siehst Du kleine weiße Punkte. Je weiter Du den Weiß-Regler nach rechts schiebst, umso mehr Stellen im Bild färben sich weiß oder farbig ein. Im Falle des fraglichen Bildes kann ich keine Überbelichtung erkennen. Ich verschiebe die Weiß- und Schwarz-Regler bei allen meiner Bilder jeweils nach rechts bzw. nach links, um den vollen Tonumfang auszunutzen (die Bilder sehen dadurch besser aus; den Trick hab ich von Matt Kloskowski gelernt).
Und bitte versteh mich nicht falsch – mir geht es hier keineswegs um eine Neubewertung. Ich wollte das nur nicht so stehen lassen. Auch habe ich in diesem Fall keine lokale Aufhellung oder Tonanpassung vorgenommen (obwohl ich das ansonsten gerne mache) ;-)
Nochmals danke. Du scheinst ja gerade bei den Exzellenten Bildern wirklich einen Lauf zu haben :-) Ich finde die Bilder, die Du in Kalifornien geschossen hast, auf jeden Fall klasse. Sag das nächste Mal doch einfach bescheid, falls Du mal wieder in Kalifornien bist. Ich hätte mich über eine Verabredung zum Essen oder ein zwangloses Kaffeetrinken wirklich gefreut. Kommt ja selten genug vor, dass ich hier mal Besuch aus Deutschland bekomme…
Herzliche Grüße --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 00:28, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
- Hallo Frank! Vorab: Ich bin kein Bildbearbeitungsexperte und kann bei Bewertungen freilich daneben liegen - notfalls gibt es ja auch noch CR. Ich versuche die Bilder stets dann bestem Wissen zu bewerten, gerade bei Declines.
Zu dem Bild: Laut Histogramm liegt keine Überbelichtung vor, das ist richtig. Weder leuchtet etwas bei eingeschalteter Highlight-Warnung noch bei gedrückter Alt-Taste und anklicken des Weiß-Reglers. Das Problem sind allerdings solche Bereiche in der Fläche, die ich markiert habe, die in allen RGB-Kanälen den exakt gleichen Wert aufweisen. Wenn du in Lightroom die Maus über den Bereich führst, findest du dort z.B. Werte wie R (97.5%) B (97.5%) B (97.5%). Gehst du in andere, ebenfalls sehr helle, Bereiche des Gefieders findest du hingegen Werte wie R (89.3%) B (90.1%) B (90.8%), die zwar nahe beieinander liegen, aber nicht exakt identisch sind. Der Vogel ist schon sehr weiß aber in der Natur kommen exakt identische Werte in allen RGB-Kanälen praktisch nicht vor. Identische Werte in allen RGB-Kanälen kannst du leicht selbst erzeugen: Du nimmst ein Foto mit stark ausgebranntem Himmel und korrigierst in Lightroom mit dem Lichter-Regler (ich gehe davon aus, das hast du bei diesem Motiv auch gemacht). Der stark ausgebrannte Bereich erhält dann auch einen (x,x,x)-RGB-Werte - also alle Kanäle identisch. Das so korrigierte Bild ist dann laut Histogramm nicht ausgebrannt, trotzdem hast du keinerlei Zeichnung mehr im Himmel - diesen Fall sehe ich hier auch. Die Zeichnung im Gefieder ist meiner Meinung nach an diesen Stellen schlicht verlorengegangen. Falls ich daneben liege, lass es mich gerne wissen. - Zu Kalifornien: Ich hatte im Vorfeld tatsächlich mit dem Gedanken gespielt dich mal zu kontaktieren (um z.B. noch ein paar Tipps einzuholen), weil du ja in der Ecke dort lebst. Nach deiner freundlichen Nachricht weiß ich, dass ich ruhig hätte machen können. Leider bin ich nicht sehr häufig in Kalifornien - ich war überhaupt das erste mal in den USA. Sollte ich noch einmal dort hinkommen werde ich mich sicher mal vorher bei dir melden. Bzgl. FPC scheine ich momentan tatsächlich Glück zu haben, was mich natürlich sehr freut. Auf meiner Tour haben sich natürlich auch zahlreiche tolle Motive gezeigt. Falls von Interesse kannst du gerne mal einen Blick in Category:Images of USA by Tuxyso werfen - dort habe ich meine bisherigen USA-Uploads zusammengefasst. Grüße, --Tuxyso (talk) 06:27, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
- Hallo Tuxyso, ich habe selber keine gute Erklärung für die gleichlautenden RGB-Werte. Ich hab aber vor ein paar Tagen einen American Coot fotografiert, bei dem die RGB-Werte genauso oben aus dem Histogramm herauslaufen, wie bei dem Black-necked Stilt. Was nun letzteren betrifft, so ist das von dir genannte Phänomen auch schon in der RAW-Datei vorhanden. Überbelichtet ist es wie gesagt nicht. Keine Ahnung, ob es sich nun tatsächlich um ein Problem handelt – durch die Bildbearbeitung ist der Effekt auf jeden Fall nicht entstanden. Beste Grüße, --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 00:06, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
- Ich glaube wir werden die Frage nach den RGB-Werten nicht mehr auflösen können. Du scheinst einige gute Argumente zu habe, ich halte meine Argumente auch nicht für falsch. Sodann habe ich das Foto mal auf Nominate geändert und auf diese Diskussion hier verwiesen. Bewertungen von Fotos sind immer subjektiv und können auch danebenliegen. Dafür gibt es dann ja das CR-Korrektiv. --Tuxyso (talk) 06:29, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, danke. Vielleicht weiß ja irgendwer, wie das Problem zu lösen ist. Wir haben ja bestimmt einige Experten für Histogramme hier ;-) --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 15:03, 17 October 2013 (UTC) P.S. Die Bilder in der Kategorie sind klasse. Du hast tatsächlich mehr von den USA gesehn, als ich in meinen fünf Jahren hier. Death Valley steht schon seit einiger Zeit auf meiner Liste und zum Yosemite-Nationalpark fahre ich dieses Wochenende zum ersten Mal mit meiner Frau…
- Ich glaube wir werden die Frage nach den RGB-Werten nicht mehr auflösen können. Du scheinst einige gute Argumente zu habe, ich halte meine Argumente auch nicht für falsch. Sodann habe ich das Foto mal auf Nominate geändert und auf diese Diskussion hier verwiesen. Bewertungen von Fotos sind immer subjektiv und können auch danebenliegen. Dafür gibt es dann ja das CR-Korrektiv. --Tuxyso (talk) 06:29, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
- Hallo Tuxyso, ich habe selber keine gute Erklärung für die gleichlautenden RGB-Werte. Ich hab aber vor ein paar Tagen einen American Coot fotografiert, bei dem die RGB-Werte genauso oben aus dem Histogramm herauslaufen, wie bei dem Black-necked Stilt. Was nun letzteren betrifft, so ist das von dir genannte Phänomen auch schon in der RAW-Datei vorhanden. Überbelichtet ist es wie gesagt nicht. Keine Ahnung, ob es sich nun tatsächlich um ein Problem handelt – durch die Bildbearbeitung ist der Effekt auf jeden Fall nicht entstanden. Beste Grüße, --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 00:06, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, Tuxyso. You're right : it's better to discuss here about the VI problems and more precisely about your last remark. This remark is not wrong but I think there's a language misunderstandig about the scopes. The problem is not no chose a broad (huge) scope, but a narrow one... even if there's only one picture in it (i. e. on Commons), in which case the photo is obviously valued. In other cases, the things are a bit more complicated (!) and scopes like "church XYZ facade" are almost compulsory because one can make a few VI pictures with the same monument (objetc, landscape, etc.) if he wants to do so... and because no one can say : "My picture of this church (castle...) is the only and definitive one." If I've understood the VIC creator's idea, this assesment is supposed to help those who write an article. It may be useful for them to find out immediately the best (or the only one) picture in a very precise category until someone else make another or a better one. -- I've tried to be as clear as possible according to my English and I hope these few words will be of some help. -- Best regards. JLPC (talk) 13:16, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
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Falls deine Frage auf WP:UF nicht ausreichend beantwortet wird, stellst du sie am besten hier und, wenn das auch nicht hilft, diesem Kollegen User talk:Clindberg. --Túrelio (talk) 08:20, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
- Vielen Dank für den Hinweis. Mir war bisher nur WP:UF bekannt, daher habe ich meine Frage erst einmal dort eingestellt. --Tuxyso (talk) 08:28, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
- Ich habe mal ein Beispiel hochgeladen: File:Caesars Palace shopping center Interior 2013.jpg - Versuch macht klug. Allerdings scheue ich aktuell mehr Bilder hochzuladen, da eine vernünftige Bearbeitung (Entrauschung, ggf. selektiver Weißabgleich, Perspektive etc.) mitunter aufwendig ist. --Tuxyso (talk) 09:50, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
- Vielen Dank für den Hinweis. Mir war bisher nur WP:UF bekannt, daher habe ich meine Frage erst einmal dort eingestellt. --Tuxyso (talk) 08:28, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
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Hallo Tuxyso, zunächst vielen Dank für Deine Hinweise. Die CAs – ein leidiges Problem! – waren mir bei kleiner Ansicht des Bildes nicht aufgefallen. Wahrscheinlich muss ich mir ein Programm wie Lightrooum (?) zulegen, um die Sache wirklich in den Griff zu bekommen. Aber schau Dir die jetzige Version bitte an; meines Erachtens ist sie in Ordnung. Die Perspektive habe ich ebenfalls korrigiert. Herzliche Grüße und schönen Sonntagabend -- Lothar Spurzem (talk) 18:36, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
- Hallo Lothar! Sieht doch wunderbar aus. Ich persönliche hätte versucht die durch die Perspektivkorrektur neu hinzugekommene Verzerrung etwas zurückzunehmen. In Lightroom (ja, aus meiner Sicht ist das Programm jeden Cent wert) gibt es in der 5er Version dafür die Funktion "Seitenverhältnis" in der Perspektivkorrektur. CAs, ich hatte das vorhin mal testweise mit denem Bild überprüft, sind dort auch mit einem Klick verschwunden. Lade dir doch mal eine Testversion runter, dann kannst du immer noch entscheiden, ob die Software für dich interessant ist. Zum katalogisieren und verschlagworten ist Lightroom ebenfalls sehr gut geeignet. Womit bearbeitest du bisher deine Bilder? --Tuxyso (talk) 18:42, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
- Ich arbeite mit Gimp 2.6, das zwar auch besser ist als das alte PhotoDraw von Microsoft, an dem ich regelrecht hing und das bedauerlicherweise unter Windows XP nicht mehr lief; aber vieles scheint doch nicht zu gehen. CAs entferne ich so gut wie möglich durch Reduzieren der störenden Farben an den entsprechenden Stellen. -- Lothar Spurzem (talk) 19:10, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
- Gimp (gleiches gilt für Photoshop) und ich sind nie wirklich Freunde geworden. Für mich steht einfach der Spaß am Fotografieren im Vordergrund. Mir sind Gimp und Photoshop schlicht zu kompliziert und zu umständlich. 95% aller Bearbeitungen führe ich direkt in Lightroom durch ohne lange über Ebenenmasken etc. nachdenken zu müssen. --Tuxyso (talk) 19:19, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
- Ich arbeite mit Gimp 2.6, das zwar auch besser ist als das alte PhotoDraw von Microsoft, an dem ich regelrecht hing und das bedauerlicherweise unter Windows XP nicht mehr lief; aber vieles scheint doch nicht zu gehen. CAs entferne ich so gut wie möglich durch Reduzieren der störenden Farben an den entsprechenden Stellen. -- Lothar Spurzem (talk) 19:10, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
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Hallo Tuxyso,
in den nächsten Tagen werde ich eine Zusammenstellung von Bildern auf commons machen, die bei der diesjährigen WikiCon in Karlsruhe gezeigt werden sollen - ich habe dabei auch bereits ein paar deiner Bilder ergänzt. Ich würde mich freuen, wenn du mir hilfst: Ist es dir möglich, einen Satz sehr guter Bilder aus dem letzten Jahr +/- bsp. deiner US-Reise (gern auch aus anderen Bereichen - Ausnahme WLM, da dort eine eigene Show geplant ist) in die Category:Selection WikiCon 2013 zu ergänzen. Gruß, -- Achim Raschka (talk) 07:14, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
- Gerne, bis wann brauchst du die kategorisierten Bilder? Wirklich nur aus dem letzten Jahr, oder meinst du aus 2013? Um welche Zielgruppe handelt es sich? --Tuxyso (talk) 07:43, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
- WikiCon ist Mitte November; wenn ich in den nächsten 2 Wochen die Auswahl habe, sollte genug Zeit für die Einarbeitung in die Präsentation sein. Zielpublikum sind WPianer und Studenten am KIT Karlsruhe - also eher spektakulär als informativ. Vorzugsweise Breitformat, da Beamer-Präsentation, und die Menge ist erstmal egal - ich gehe hinterher nochmal durch. Gruß -- Achim Raschka (talk) 07:53, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
- Das sollte ich locker schaffen. Von welchem Jahr sollen die Fotos sein? Tatsächlich nur aus 2012 oder war das ein Tipfehler? --Tuxyso (talk) 08:08, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
- Die Idee war, Fotoprojekte in 2013/13 vorzustellen - wenn was älteres dabei ist, ist ads aber auch kein Problem. Ich habe noch einige weitere Fotografen angeschrieben (und werde das noch bei weiteren tun) und hoffe, am Ende mit einer guten 4-stelligen Menge toller Fotos (von Festivals über Fahrzeuge, Sport, Reisen, Makro etc.) aufwarten zu können, die Spaß wecken, auch mitzumachen und Potenziale zeigen. Gruß -- Achim Raschka (talk) 08:32, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
- Alles klar! Eine tolle Idee übrigens, die ich gerne unterstütze. Ich werde im Laufe der nächsten Tage mal ein wenig lostaggen. Ein, wie ich finde wirklich exzellentes, Festival-Foto, das mal auf QI stand, ist mir in besonderer Erinnerung geblieben: File:13-08-09 Taubertal Jennifer Rostock Jennifer 5.JPG. Ich habe es auch mal getaggt (auch wenn es nicht von mir ist). Falls es nicht gefällt kannst du es ja wieder enttaggen. Dem KIT-Publikum könnte das aber auch gefallen :) --Tuxyso (talk) 08:37, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
- Meine eigenen QI-Festivalbilder habe ich inzwischen drin, aber man kann gut auch bei den bei QI durchgefallenen Bildern schauen, die sind ja oft nur wegen irgendwelchen Kleinkrams oder Überpenibilität (Rauschen!!!) dort durchgefallen. -- Smial (talk) 10:53, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
- Ich habe neben Bildern von mir auch einige FPC aus diesem Jahr hinzugefügt, die aus meiner Sicht besonders gut geeignet sind (das sind sicher nicht alle). Zu den Festivalbildern: Ich würde nur aufpassen, dass die Serie nicht zu festivallastig wird. Auch wenn ich mich nun als Festival-Unwissender oute, sind die Bands, die dort auftreten doch schon sehr speziell und vielen Leuten (wie mir) schlicht nicht bekannt. Bis auf Deep Purple und Jennifer Rostock, die ich selbst hinzugefügt habe, kenne ich z.B. keine einzige Band, die sich in der WikiCon-Kategorie findet. Generell denke ich, dass solche Bilder [1], [2] ggf. besser geeignet sind, da abwechslungsreicher als langhaariger Rocker mit Gitarre vor schwarzem Hintergrund. Bitte nicht falsch verstehen, nur berücksichtigen, dass sich auf der WikiCon Leute mit sehr unterschiedlichem Hintergrund finden. Auffällig bei der Bilderauswahl wird dann sicher auch das bekannte Gender Gap in der WP - so finden sich sicher ungleich mehr Technikfotos oder Festival-Fotos als etwa Modethemen [3] --Tuxyso (talk) 11:39, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
- Ohje, gender gap... der Frauenanteil bei den Fotografen in den Bühnengräben war gefühlt deutlich höher als bei den WikipediaautorInnen. So schlimm scheint es bei den langhaarigen Rockern also nicht zuzugehen. Die Schlußredaktion macht eh Achim, deshalb lasse ich keinesfalls gute Bilder vom Festivalsommer raus, nur weil es da evtl. ein Übergewicht geben könnte. Ich liefere nur eine Auswahl zu, damit er nicht 10.000+ Fotos alleine durchsuchen muß. Und was unbekannte Acts angeht: Genau das war ja unter anderem auch die Intention des FS-Sommers: Artikel bebildern können von Musikern und Bands, die eben nicht täglich im Fernsehen oder in der Presse sind. Dass wir jetzt ein paar traumhafte Fotos von Peep Durple haben oder anderen bekannten Leuten wie Greenday, ist ja nur das Sahnehäubschen. -- Smial (talk) 12:02, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
- Ich möchte Achims Schlussredaktion keinesfalls vorgreifen. So wichtig ein Projekt auch war / ist (ich finde es gut, dass auch qualitativ hochwertige Fotos von eher unbekannten Bands im Rahmen des Festivalsommers erstellt werden), dies bedeutet ja nicht zwangsläufig, dass diese Fotos in großer Zahl auch für einen Anlass wie WikiCon gut geeignet sind. Wenn ich Achim richtig verstanden habe soll es mit der Präsentation ja darum gehen, andere User für's Fotografieren zu begeistern. Das geht aus meiner Sicht (und wie betont, ich habe da vielleicht auch eine zu enge Sichtweise) eben besser mit Fotos von Deep Purple, Jennifer Rostock und tollen Tier- und Landschaftsporträts als mit Fotos von (unbekannten) langhaarigen Rockern vor schwarzem Hintergrund :)
Zum Gender Gap: Ich weiß, dass dies in de-WP sehr kontrovers diskutiert wird, u.a. Ein Fuchs steigt aus, allerdings sollte man auch nicht die Augen vor der Tatsache verschließen, dass Geek Themen z.T. überrepräsentiert sind. Mein Hinweis bezog sich nur darauf, dass man dabei auch bei Fotos achten sollte. Dass es viele Fotografinnen gibt möchte ich gar nicht bestreiten. Die Frage ist nur, ob es auch genügend Fotografinnen gibt, die sich auf Commons einbringen - mein Eindruck ist nein. --Tuxyso (talk) 14:32, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
- Ich möchte Achims Schlussredaktion keinesfalls vorgreifen. So wichtig ein Projekt auch war / ist (ich finde es gut, dass auch qualitativ hochwertige Fotos von eher unbekannten Bands im Rahmen des Festivalsommers erstellt werden), dies bedeutet ja nicht zwangsläufig, dass diese Fotos in großer Zahl auch für einen Anlass wie WikiCon gut geeignet sind. Wenn ich Achim richtig verstanden habe soll es mit der Präsentation ja darum gehen, andere User für's Fotografieren zu begeistern. Das geht aus meiner Sicht (und wie betont, ich habe da vielleicht auch eine zu enge Sichtweise) eben besser mit Fotos von Deep Purple, Jennifer Rostock und tollen Tier- und Landschaftsporträts als mit Fotos von (unbekannten) langhaarigen Rockern vor schwarzem Hintergrund :)
- Ohje, gender gap... der Frauenanteil bei den Fotografen in den Bühnengräben war gefühlt deutlich höher als bei den WikipediaautorInnen. So schlimm scheint es bei den langhaarigen Rockern also nicht zuzugehen. Die Schlußredaktion macht eh Achim, deshalb lasse ich keinesfalls gute Bilder vom Festivalsommer raus, nur weil es da evtl. ein Übergewicht geben könnte. Ich liefere nur eine Auswahl zu, damit er nicht 10.000+ Fotos alleine durchsuchen muß. Und was unbekannte Acts angeht: Genau das war ja unter anderem auch die Intention des FS-Sommers: Artikel bebildern können von Musikern und Bands, die eben nicht täglich im Fernsehen oder in der Presse sind. Dass wir jetzt ein paar traumhafte Fotos von Peep Durple haben oder anderen bekannten Leuten wie Greenday, ist ja nur das Sahnehäubschen. -- Smial (talk) 12:02, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
- Ich habe neben Bildern von mir auch einige FPC aus diesem Jahr hinzugefügt, die aus meiner Sicht besonders gut geeignet sind (das sind sicher nicht alle). Zu den Festivalbildern: Ich würde nur aufpassen, dass die Serie nicht zu festivallastig wird. Auch wenn ich mich nun als Festival-Unwissender oute, sind die Bands, die dort auftreten doch schon sehr speziell und vielen Leuten (wie mir) schlicht nicht bekannt. Bis auf Deep Purple und Jennifer Rostock, die ich selbst hinzugefügt habe, kenne ich z.B. keine einzige Band, die sich in der WikiCon-Kategorie findet. Generell denke ich, dass solche Bilder [1], [2] ggf. besser geeignet sind, da abwechslungsreicher als langhaariger Rocker mit Gitarre vor schwarzem Hintergrund. Bitte nicht falsch verstehen, nur berücksichtigen, dass sich auf der WikiCon Leute mit sehr unterschiedlichem Hintergrund finden. Auffällig bei der Bilderauswahl wird dann sicher auch das bekannte Gender Gap in der WP - so finden sich sicher ungleich mehr Technikfotos oder Festival-Fotos als etwa Modethemen [3] --Tuxyso (talk) 11:39, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
- Meine eigenen QI-Festivalbilder habe ich inzwischen drin, aber man kann gut auch bei den bei QI durchgefallenen Bildern schauen, die sind ja oft nur wegen irgendwelchen Kleinkrams oder Überpenibilität (Rauschen!!!) dort durchgefallen. -- Smial (talk) 10:53, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
- Alles klar! Eine tolle Idee übrigens, die ich gerne unterstütze. Ich werde im Laufe der nächsten Tage mal ein wenig lostaggen. Ein, wie ich finde wirklich exzellentes, Festival-Foto, das mal auf QI stand, ist mir in besonderer Erinnerung geblieben: File:13-08-09 Taubertal Jennifer Rostock Jennifer 5.JPG. Ich habe es auch mal getaggt (auch wenn es nicht von mir ist). Falls es nicht gefällt kannst du es ja wieder enttaggen. Dem KIT-Publikum könnte das aber auch gefallen :) --Tuxyso (talk) 08:37, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
- Die Idee war, Fotoprojekte in 2013/13 vorzustellen - wenn was älteres dabei ist, ist ads aber auch kein Problem. Ich habe noch einige weitere Fotografen angeschrieben (und werde das noch bei weiteren tun) und hoffe, am Ende mit einer guten 4-stelligen Menge toller Fotos (von Festivals über Fahrzeuge, Sport, Reisen, Makro etc.) aufwarten zu können, die Spaß wecken, auch mitzumachen und Potenziale zeigen. Gruß -- Achim Raschka (talk) 08:32, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
- Das sollte ich locker schaffen. Von welchem Jahr sollen die Fotos sein? Tatsächlich nur aus 2012 oder war das ein Tipfehler? --Tuxyso (talk) 08:08, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
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