Talk:40M Turán
Latest comment: 2 years ago by Victory799 in topic Merge from Draft:41M Turán II and 43M Turán III
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Turán, Turán, Turán
editCan somebody define it? TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 18:17, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
Merge from Draft:41M Turán II and 43M Turán III
editThose are just updated variants with different main gun. We don't typically use separate articles for subversions and they do not qualify for an article as special version like the 43M Zrínyi. If we start this splitting now we'd need about 10 separate articles for Panzer III, Panzer IV and others. --Denniss (talk) 00:51, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose, on the grounds that the articles are quite well-developed, distinct and clear, with appropriate referencing, supporting the idea of separate coverage. Klbrain (talk) 08:48, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Closing, given the uncontested discussion and no support. Klbrain (talk) 07:14, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with Klbrain. The tanks have three completely seperate names: 40M Turan I, 41M Turan II and 43M Turan III. They each have a different turret and gun, and armour and hull changes too. The same way how the Panzer I,II,III,IV,V,VI all have different pages even though they are all from the Panzer series, much like these tanks from the Turan series. Another example is the Panzer 35 (t) and 38 (t), or the Chi Ha, He, Nu, To and Ri Japanese tanks. It also creates some confusion if all versions are in one page. Victory799 (talk) 12:26, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Also, I think I should shift the emphasis from their guns being different to how different their guns were, they were very different in terms of performance and type. First a 40 mm early war tank gun, then a 75 mm WW1 era howitzer, then a modern long barreled anti tank 75 mm. This would give each tank very different roles/capabilities on the battlefield. A Panzer IV F2,G,H and J all did roughly the same thing and could each deal with T-34s and KV-1s. The Turan I had almost no chance against those, the Turan II could somewhat deal with them and the Turan III could easily deal with them. Victory799 (talk) 12:31, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- And lastly I just want to add that all three of these have seperate articles, despite being nearly identical, and even more similar than each Turan variant.
- Victory799 (talk) 12:37, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Also, I think I should shift the emphasis from their guns being different to how different their guns were, they were very different in terms of performance and type. First a 40 mm early war tank gun, then a 75 mm WW1 era howitzer, then a modern long barreled anti tank 75 mm. This would give each tank very different roles/capabilities on the battlefield. A Panzer IV F2,G,H and J all did roughly the same thing and could each deal with T-34s and KV-1s. The Turan I had almost no chance against those, the Turan II could somewhat deal with them and the Turan III could easily deal with them. Victory799 (talk) 12:31, 21 November 2022 (UTC)