Talk:Academy Awards

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Should nominations for Best Foreign Language Film/Best International Feature remain included in the total nomination and win tallies for filmmakers, specifically the film's director? The director accepts the award and since 2014 their name is engraved on the award along with the submitting country but the country is credited as the nominee and the Oscar is awarded to the film. In my opinion, I think they should be included in the director's win and nomination tally as they are credited explicitly on the statuette and implicitly as the acceptor of the award. In addition, including these nominations and wins in this section's tallies I think more fully reflects the Academy's recognition of non-American filmmakers. That's my opinion but I think it is a topic worth discussing. Panopticanyounot (talk) 18:33, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

stupid question

how do people find out they were nominated? snail mail? once snail mail and now by text? what? 100.15.117.34 (talk) 03:05, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

This is a talk page for discussions related to improving the related article. If you have general questions about the Academy Awards please utilize Google, reddit, Quora, etc and I'm sure you'll find your answer there. skarz (talk) 14:18, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I'm a little late, but there's always the Reference Desk, too, if you're determined to use Wikipedia to find an answer :D. GoldRomean (talk) 23:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Official name

Hey InfiniteNexus. I noticed you reverted my edit stating that the Oscars/Academy Awards are officially called the Oscars. I researched and cited the claim, and I believe it to be true. I've also just now noticed that the same source was cited over at Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences for the same reason (although that's not at all a recent change). Please could you provide a bit more info on why you think we shouldn't say that the official name is the Oscars? Cheers :) AlexGallon (talk) 23:13, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Sure, I'll elaborate. As of this year's ceremony, "Academy Awards" continues to be displayed prominently on AMPAS' official site. Recent press releases [1] [2] include multiple references to "Academy Awards®". ABC's official broadcast uses "Academy Awards". Film studios continue to use "Academy Award" when bragging about Oscar wins and nominations on social media, and AMPAS themselves continue to do so as well. There is no evidence that the name has been discontinued, officially or otherwise, and the fact that ABC stopped prominently using "Academy Awards" on marketing material (according to the source you cited) is not indicative of this. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I think it's fairly clear to see that AMPAS' primary use of the term "Academy Awards" is in reference to the event (i.e. the decision-making process and following ceremony), while this Wikipedia article is, according to the lede, about the individual awards themselves. (Although AMPAS do indeed use "Academy Award" occasionally (rarely) to refer to individual awards, and for fairness I will point this out when I see it. Similarly, they do sometimes refer to the event as "Oscars".)

Your first linked page uses the term "Academy Awards" in this way: THE 96TH ACADEMY AWARDS, which is clearly referring to the event. That being said, note the following about the page:

• It is on AMPAS' official website, which is oscars.org;
• It is categorised under HOME / OSCARS / OSCARS® CEREMONIES; and
• The first header that appears on the page is EXPERIENCE OVER NINE DECADES OF THE OSCARS FROM 1927 TO 2024.

Of your first linked press release (also on oscars.org, but I won't repeat that point):

• It is titled ACADEMY ESTABLISHES CASTING AWARD FOR 98TH OSCARS®;
• The lead image is the word OSCARS;
• To your point, the page does once use Academy Award® to refer to an award;
• Then we have two more occurrences of "Academy Awards":
  • 98th Academy Awards® and
  • 98th Academy Awards, both referring to the event, not the individual awards.

In your second linked press release:

• The title uses 96TH ACADEMY AWARDS®, clearly for the event;
• Again the lead image is the word OSCARS;
• The body uses "Academy Awards", but again for the event:
  • 2023 Academy Awards®;
  • 96th Academy Awards;
  • Reminder List of Productions Eligible for the 96th Academy Awards (followed by a link to the page /oscars/rules-eligibility);
  • Best Picture category for the 96th Academy Awards;
• And somewhat unusually, The 96th Oscars® will be held on...

Being outside the US, I cannot watch the video on the ABC page you linked, but I can still look at the other stuff on the page.

• The tab in which I have it open is called "Watch The Oscars Season 2024 Episode 3 The Oscars Online";
• The content title is "S2024 E3 The Oscars";
• It is categorised under "The Oscars > Season 2022 > The Oscars";
• The description does refer to the event as 96th Academy Awards ceremony;
• The titles for the related nominations videos begin "Oscars Nominations";
• The social media links at the bottom of the page are preceded by Follow The Oscars.

I can therefore only assume that the point you are making about that page is referring to the video, which I cannot watch.

Both of your linked Twitter searches turn up far more results if you swap the "academy award(s)" part for "oscar(s)" (even after discounting all of the spurious results that come from the first search, which becomes "congratulations" "oscar", which matches a bunch of stuff we aren't interested in).

You say "There is no evidence that the name has been discontinued, officially or otherwise", and I agree, but I didn't say that the name "Academy Awards" had been discontinued, just that it is no longer the official name for the awards, while "Oscars" is. AlexGallon (talk) 19:06, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I think you're overthinking this. You're saying there's a nuance between the ceremony and the "award" ... not really. Our article doesn't make that distinction, and I'm pretty sure no one does; a proposal to have separate articles for the "award" and ceremony would unlikely be taken seriously. In any case, I'm not seeing how AMPAS' primary use of the term "Academy Awards" is in reference to the event, so that seems like WP:OR on your part. The only source you have provided is the one about ABC switching to "Oscars" on marketing, which does not translate to "Academy Awards is no longer the official name". Secondly, no one has suggested that "Oscars" isn't the name most widely used to refer to this event/award, just that "Academy Awards" continues to be an, if not the, official name. It's not clear what you mean by I didn't say that the name "Academy Awards" had been discontinued, just that it is no longer the official name for the awards, while "Oscars" is, but it seems you're also overthinking this one. InfiniteNexus (talk) 01:20, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Turns out, according to the official rulebook, the official name is actually "Academy Awards of Merit":

AWARDS DEFINITION

1. Academy Awards of Merit shall be given annually to honor outstanding artistic and scientific achievements in theatrically released feature-length motion pictures, and to honor other achievements as provided for in these rules and approved by the Board of Governors.
2. Awards shall be conferred at annual Awards ceremonies.
3. Awards of Merit in the form of the gold statuette trophy of the Academy (Oscar) shall be conferred annually for the following achievements:

But definitely not "Oscars", which is purely a colloquial nickname (used in marketing for obvious reasons). InfiniteNexus (talk) 01:32, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

I concede the original research point, though I wasn't suggesting we have separate articles for the award and the event; I was just pointing out that the Academy seems to use different terms depending on which they are talking about, and for the content of this article "Oscars" seems to be what they prefer (and for that reason I absolutely disagree that it is "purely a colloquial nickname").

That said, from the information you have provided here I'm happy to conclude that it's not worth having any statement about what the "official" name is in the article, whether that's "Academy Awards", "Oscars" or "Academy Awards of Merit", on the grounds that I have still seen only the one original source that makes any statement deciding between the first two (and I think we can both agree that the third is not important). In this case though, perhaps the statement should also be removed from the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences article?

I still think in an ideal world the article would be called "Oscars" and not "Academy Awards" (in the same way that the article for the United Kingdom is not called "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland") because that's what they are far more commonly known as – including in an official capacity, though we may disagree on whether that makes it truly official – but I am certainly not invested enough to push for that. AlexGallon (talk) 02:57, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

You're free to change the wording here and on the AMPAS page if you wish, as long as it doesn't claim that the name "Academy Awards" isn't official. As for this article's title, you are correct that we usually go with the most commonly recognizable name, but we also prefer using formal rather than colloquial names, e.g. Affordable Care Act (not "Obamacare") and myocardial infarction (not "heart attack"). InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:40, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

“Superlative” Oscars needs better name

I stumbled on that reference in an actor's bio and—-bewildered—-followed it to the article itself. Still bewildered, I was directed to this Academy Awards Talk page. If “superlative” means record holders, why not use a variation on that? “Oscars statistics”? But why have a separate article at all? People wanting to know who won the most awards for costume design will start on this Academy Awards page. Why send them elsewhere?Merry medievalist (talk) 22:53, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

The Question about ' Awarded for '

Hi there, I've edit Excellence in the world of film industry in there. But some users disagree with me and revert my edit. For example, the Polar Music Prize also using international/world some key words on it. It's make more clear for who the award for. The another example is César Awards, is a france nation film award and you can see it wrote Achievements in French cinema, that means only award for french film industry. So I don't know why I can't using these words in here? Thanks.

@CodeTalker and Rhain: Please discuss in here. Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 02:58, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I've already tried discussing this with you twice before yet you refuse to engage and continue to revert (even in violation of WP:3RR). As I've said, adding a word like "international" or "worldwide" is completely unnecessary; specifying that these awards are nonspecific (i.e., not limited to a specific nation) is superfluous; it's just adding a word for the sake of it. It's different with a ceremony like the César Awards, as they're limited to a specific nation. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 03:05, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

It's very NECESSERY, we don't know who the award for now , for american only or all around the world. We need to indicate it clearly. Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 03:37, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

"Excellence in the film industry" couldn't be clearer: it's about the film industry. If it was specific to the American film industry, it would say so; there's no need to clarify. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 05:48, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Sorry I don't agree. it's ambiguous and you always said that no need, no need is not a good reason to revert. Why Polar Music Prize and César Awards can use the words but academy awards cannot. Give you one more example, MAMA Awards awarded for Outstanding achievements in the K-pop and Asian music industry, why they won't use Outstanding achievements in the music industry. They add K-pop and Asian because the award for korean and asian only. It could be more clear. Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 06:10, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

It's not ambiguous at all; I suspect it would have been changed years ago if it was. Other articles aren't particularly relevant per WP:OCON—in any case, the César and MAMA Awards are especially irrelevant, as they're for very specific industries. If "K-pop and Asian" was removed from the MAMA Awards, the description becomes less accurate; the same cannot be said about removing "worldwide" here. French cinema is a specific industry within the wider film industry, just as K-pop/Asian music is a specific industry within the wider music industry; the "worldwide film industry" is simply the industry as a whole. The extra word is just unnecessary. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 06:24, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Sorry I don't agree. No one change it doesn't mean it's not any problem. "film industry" does not mean the world, it's ambiguous. I think we need to clarify clear. Did you agree using worldwide film industry? Thanks.Stevencocoboy (talk) 06:48, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

What does "film industry" refer to if not the worldwide industry? – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 06:49, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

It means we don't know the award for the film industry in the world. It's too ambiguous. Using Excellence in the world of film industry have grammer mistake, How about worldwide film industry? I think it doesn't any problems. Thanks.Stevencocoboy (talk) 06:55, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

That doesn't answer my question—what does "film industry" refer to? It's clearly about the industry as a whole.

My issue is with the changes generally, not with your specific phrasing (though I agree these are poorly written). It's the same reason CodeTalker reverted you here and Dissident93 did so here: the word is just completely unnecessary. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 07:10, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

CodeTalker already said that because of my grammer mistake. But using worldwide film industry is okay and no grammer mistake in here. The game awards I can compromise. Also film industry refer to comprises the technological and commercial institutions of filmmaking, but not clear meaning in world. If I use worldwide film industry in here (only award for) , can you accept it? Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 07:43, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

CodeTalker has also said that the word is unnecessary. I can see that you've read the opening sentence of Film industry; if you read a little further, you can see that it refers to the "global box office" and "worldwide theatrical market". There's no need to place the industry geographically in the world, because it already refers to the whole world. Regardless of the phrasing, the word is unnecessary. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 07:51, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Even you're right, but using worldwide is not any problem. Can you accept it? Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 08:04, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I still believe it's completely unnecessary, for the reasons outlined above. Succinctness is preferred. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 08:08, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

But I think it's necessary and using worldwide film industry is not any problem. I'll only use in award for. Both of us should accept it. Okay? Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 08:15, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

No, I'm afraid I maintain the same position. Thanks. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 08:16, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

But I disagree your position. I think you need find some new scheme and make all of us can be satisfy. Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 08:36, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

As the editor proposing changes to years-old sentences—in opposition to several others—that responsibility typically falls to you. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 09:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)