Talk:Albury/Archive 1

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Largest twin town?

The lead paragraph includes the statement: "Of all the twin towns on the Murray, it is the only one where the larger town is on the New South Wales side of the river." I believe Corowa, New South Wales is bigger than its twin town Wahgunyah, Victoria - hence I have removed the assertion.--A Y Arktos 23:59, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Reformat article

I propose to reformat the article to have headings similar to the Canberra article. Canberra was recently a nominated featured article and hence I think the topic coverage and order of coverage would be useful for a city.--A Y Arktos 04:27, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Flows in the Murray River at Albury before Hume Dam

were not very accurately described, so I've modified it. A chart of the original flow patterns is an interesting thing to examine (and I have). In normal, non-drought years, lows were low in summer and autumn (though still significant and nowhere near being a trickle), and high in winter and early to mid spring, due to winter rainfall and then snowmelt.

Codman 06:39, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Suburbs

Prompted by the table above regarding topic coverage, I've set out a "Suburbs" subsection in Geography. I am wondering if there's too much pointless information there, though it does touch on the history of the growth of the city, or if it's too muddled. Graham 14:34, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Bypass

Albury is currently in the middle of building a bypass, as it was the only town between melbourne and NSW that wasn't bypassed by the freeway. This might be included in the article as it is a pretty magor thing for the region, haveing taken over 20 years (atleast) since it was first proposed to start getting built. skorpion 07:12, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

This info is in the article with a photo (could be better placed - seems to have been shifted away from text) but ....--A Y Arktos\^talk 08:10, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

The mention is under Transport, though it got mixed up with the discussion about with the other minor highways. I've split the para into two to make this clearer. As for the picture, well, moving that back into Transport with the two railway station ones might make it pretty cluttered. And on a pedantic note, Holbrook and Tarcutta also remain to be bypassed, with no firm plans to do so.Graham 15:47, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

image of longest platform

In my opinion the picture of the long station platform needs to be taken at daytime to make it much clearer as to how long it really is. Harryboyles 12:42, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

• I have a daytime image and can upload. I was not the uploader of the night time image.--A Y Arktos\^talk 20:39, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Would have been nice if someone did contact the uploader, but there's no problem in using the daytime image. Dysprosia 00:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Albury History

I just did a little on the history of Albury up until the 1880s, and put the history stub into the history section as it is clearly not finished. If anyone has any sources on the mayors of Albury, and other specifics like that I would appreciate it to be contributed to this article. As I know Albury like so many cities in Australia has a unique and very interesting history. T3liph0n3 10:51, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Mayors of Albury

Mayor	from	till
James T Fallon	1859	1862
Walter M Miller	1862	1863
John Roper	1862
Samual CV North	1864	1865
Samuel F Blackmore	1865	1866
Lewis Jones	1867
George H Mott	1868
George Day	1869	1870
Lewis Solomon	1871
William NM Edmonson	1872
George Day	1873
Kenneth McLennan	1874
James Day	1875	1876
William J Jones	1877	1878
Alfred H Emerson	1879	1880
George C Thorsold	1879
William NM Edmonson	1880
Alfred H Emerson	1881
William E Lamport	1882
George C Thorsold	1883
Luke Gulsen	1884
George H Billson	1885	1886
Thomas H Griffth	1887
Thomas H Mate	1888
George A Thompson	1889	1890
Arthus Phillips	1892
George H Billson	1893
William C Woods	1894
David S Watson	1895	1896
James Hodge	1897
Conrad TenBrink	1898	1906
Walter J Billson	1899	1900
John C Chenery	1901
Walter J Billson	1902
Robert M Wilkinson	1903	1905
Alfred Waugh	1907	1908
Alexander G Daniel	1909	1910
William C Woods	1911
James Allen	1912
George P Frere	1913
Alfred Waugh	1914
Stuart M Logan	1915
Percy D Burrows	1916
William C Woods	1917	1918
Alfred Waugh	1919	1920
Jame P Smithenbecker	1921
Alfred Waugh	1922
Clive H Burt	1923	1924
Henry G Davies	1925
Alfred Waugh	1926	1938
Dudley G Padman	1939	1945
Cleaver E Bunton	1946	1960
John C King	1961
Cleaver E Bunton	1961	1972
Tom E Pearsall	1973	1974
Cleaver E Bunton	1974	1976
Max R Barry	1976
Harold D Mair	1976	1977
John L Roach	1977 1989
Arch J McLeish	1992	1994
James G Paterson	1994
Leslie C Langford	1995
Amanda Duncan-Strelic	1995	1995
Patrica G Gould	1996	1999
Mel Read	2000	2000
Patrica G Gould	2001

I figured I should put the list up of Mayors of Albury here rather than mess up the article of Albury right at the moment. I spent almost half an hour noting all of the names and dates from the walls in the foyer of the Council Chambers and then an hour putting them into this table (after using Excell to sort them). I hope it can come to some use in making this article better (or possibly an Albury Mayors article). T3liph0n3 07:43, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

• I myself don't find lists of mayors that exciting, but you might like to be aware there is a model at List of Mayors of Geelong. Cleaver Bunton has his own article by the way. Regards--A Y Arktos\^talk 08:37, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I've taken the information from here, referred to the list on the Albury City website [1], and created List of Mayors of Albury, and put a link in the Politics section of the article. Blarneytherinosaur talk 05:38, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Population figures

There are some errors in the first paragraph that should be corrected. Firstly, there is no such thing as a 'local census'. The ABS conducts a census every five years and also issues an 'estimated resident population' (ERP) each year. Any pop number quoted for the City of Albury should be this figure (the 2006 preliminary ERP is 47,694) source ABS cat 3218.0

Also, the two cities (Albury and Wodonga) do not have a population of more than 100,000. The figure you refer to is the population of the Albury-Wodonga Statistical District. This includes substantial areas of Towong and Indigo Shires in Victoria, as well as part of Greater Hume Shire in NSW. It includes towns such as Tallangatta, Yackandandah, Beechworth and Chiltern. The 2006 estimated resident population of the Cities of Albury and Wodonga is 82,974.

If there is general agreement, I can update this paragraph. Mustard Pot 05:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

• In my view you should make such adjustments as can be referenced and then reference them so that there is less (if any) argument. --VS ^talk 05:46, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Virtual Steve. Be bold. Blarneytherinosaur talk 06:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Done! Mustard Pot 23:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Flooding

I am seeking information regarding floods to add to Climate of Australia. I know that pre-Hume weir floods were a signficiant issue along the Murray I just need to find something that's already been included. Garrie 03:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Transport

Should there be some information regarding river transport for historical reasons?Garrie 03:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I am hoping to get over to the Albury library on the weekend to pick up some books and then do something similar to History of Wagga Wagga. This will no doubt include some information on paddlesteamers. -- Mattinbgn/ ^talk 03:36, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

One sentence paragraphs

Perhaps stating the obvious but there'll be others reading not aware that we are working on this article getting to GA classification. We need particularly to expand, join, remove etc the large amount of one sentence paragraphs within the content.--VS ^talk 05:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Longest platform in the southern hemisphere?

At present the article's reference to one of Albury's claims to fame reads: To accommodate this, a very long railway platform was needed; it was for many decades the longest platform in the Southern hemisphere.

• walkabout page states "It is the third-longest platform in Australia (the longest in NSW) owing to its role as changeover point."
• The Australian gazetteer dot com states "Albury railway station has the longest covered platform in the southern hemisphere, a relic of the days when Albury was the changeover point and customs station between Victoria and New South Wales."
• rail page dot org discussion states "The platform at Albury is 500m is length. It is regarded as the longest covered platform in the Southern Hemisphere"
  • more railpage discussion notes the length as 456 metres according to Vic Rail and lists Albury as 6th longest in Australia. Note it did not make the Guiness World Records book listing discussed at the beginning of post.
• Albury city council heritage trail lays claim to Albury as: "the covered platform is one of the longest in Australia with the other being Flinders Street Station in Melbourne."

Based on the above, I think the sentence should read:

To accommodate this, a very long railway platform was needed; the covered platform is one of the longest in Australia.

This leaves it in line with the Albury council's claim.--AYArktos 00:41, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

An anon editor has tried to claim longest covered platform - I am unaware of any source to support the claim and have reverted - any such claim needs to be supported by authoratitive sources--Golden Wattle ^talk 09:16, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Lake Hume

Lake Hume is not part of albury. 123.243.254.204 (talk) 23:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Nothing in the section said that it is. The section says "...upstream of Albury". However, an article about Albury without mentioning Lake Hume would be very strange. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 23:32, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Merger from council article

• Disagree - the article on the locality is quite large. LGAs have separate articles in general, may have separate boundary distinctions. The LGA article while not large is of sufficient size to justify break-out and may well become larger if a history section for example is included. Note no clear rationale for merger has been provided.--Matilda ^talk 23:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

• I presume the local government area covers more than just the city proper, including nearby towns and localities? There is no reason why a LGA article should be 'just a stub' - see City of South Barwon for an example. Wongm (talk) 00:07, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• Disagree - I think the rationale is covered in the first two sentences of the article which state that Albury is both a city and an LGA, which is quite correct. (It's a suburb too.[2][3]) In NSW it's law that only LGAs can be cities and this is where the merge proposal is flawed. Technically the LGA article, and not this one, should be about the city, because the LGA is the city, while this article should really be about the suburb. If there was to be a merge it should be the other way. Regarding comments and concerns about boundary differences, there are none in NSW. The LGA boundaries are the city boundaries in this state. However, suburbs can be shared between LGAs, as in the case of Jindera and Table Top. --AussieLegend (talk) 00:42, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
• Disagree with the merger since City of Albury LGA covers towns which is within it's LGA not just Albury itself. Bidgee (talk) 02:32, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• I have removed the tag with the proposal - there seems to be no support and I think with respect the nominator was not local and so didn't understand the difference plus there have ben some improvements to the LGA article since to make the distinction clearer. --Matilda ^talk 02:42, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Location of Albury in New South Wales (red)

is this map necessary? seems like an unnecessary duplication of the first map —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.96.192 (talk) 01:13, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Lavington

It's not clear to me whether Lavington, New South Wales is north of Albury or part of Albury so I have tacked a link on as a "See also". Feel free to incorporate it in a more appropriate way (and to improve the Lav article). Nurg 10:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, I've just done a bit of work on that Lavington article with a fair bit of local knowledge that'd just clog up this main Albury article but seems quite appropriate there. I think it also clarifies the north/part of question; Lavington is clearly part of the city of Albury but is a distinct locality from, say "North Albury" and "Albury" and all that. Graham 01:26, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

As a resident of a nearby town I can confirm that this is correct. Lavington is part of Albury and there is no real seperation between North Albury and Lavington. skorpion 07:05, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Re above, there actually is a clear and distinct seperation of North Albury and Lavington. North Albury runs from North St on the Albury side, to the Union Rd (ie the "5 ways" intersection) which is where Lavington starts. This is clearly signposted as such on each of these roads. MatthewCummins (talk) 10:36, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Lavington is definately part of the "City if Albury" in terms of local council area. It does however have it's own postcode 2641 vs 2640 for the rest of Albury, hence the confusion, and was not always part of Albury (formally part of Hume Shire). It is on the North Side of Albury, geographically further north than "North Albury" which is only really just a bit north of the CBD - more an historical name than a geographical location. I've updated the information on Lavington, hopefully it should be clear enough now, but could probably be improved further. One thing I haven't mentioned at all is that Lavington has a bit of a Stigma as being a sort of "poor end of town" and hence has lower average property values in the majority of the suburb. In fact newer suburbs such as Thurgoona should logically have a 2541 postcode being further out past lavington, but got 2640 probably because of this type of reason - so it goes 2640, then 2641, then back to 2640 as you go further out. If anyone thinks this worth including AND can write it in a factual, non-derogatory way, correctly cited, please go for it. It may however not be worth including at all. MatthewCummins (talk) 10:33, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Heritage Listed Buildings

I was looking up information on heritage listed buildings in Albury, with regards to state listings vs local council only listings.

The main two references I could found were Wikipedia, and an article in The Border Mail which is here: http://www.bordermail.com.au/news/local/news/general/alburys-heritage-buildings-at-risk/1834299.aspx

This article unfortunately doesn't provide a full listing, but it DOES conflict with the list provided on Wikipedia, specifically stating that specific buildings (ie the Post Office) are NOT state heritage listed, when Wikipedia states that it is. Another building, the Waterstreets Hotel, I know for a fact is defiantely state heritage listed as it correctly states in the Border Mail article, but it is NOT listed on the Wikipedia list. Also noticed that the list on here seems to have two double ups as well, further calling it's reliablity into doubt.

Does anyone know where a full, referenced list of state heritage listed buildings in Albury? It would be good to get this right, and then perhaps also make a list of "other significant historical buildings in Albury" or something like that.MatthewCummins (talk) 12:04, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

NSW Heritage lists them online however you will need to search Albury to list them also the Australian Government's Department of Sustainability, Environment, Water, Population and Communities has a list but you will need to search it (Albury) on Australian Heritage Database as well. Bidgee (talk) 12:20, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved to Albury and the dab page accordingly to Albury (disambiguation). Favonian (talk) 19:04, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

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• Albury, New South Wales → Albury
• Albury → Albury (disambiguation)

– The Australian city appears to be the primary topic. The other places so named are described as villages and the people do not appear to be people who would be commonly recognised by surname only. Mattinbgn (talk) 09:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• Support per nominator rational and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Bidgee (talk) 09:12, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
• Support per nom; yes the other settlements appear to be significantly smaller villages, and the people seem unlikely to be known by their lastname only. Bleakcomb (talk) 09:54, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
• Support. Nom clearly demonstrates that the New South Wales city is the primary topic. Jenks24 (talk) 12:47, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

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Adding new image

All I would like to do is add a new image that is up to date and shows the current Albury skyline, the picture quality is actually the same as some images currently used on the page. Most images on the current wikipedia page are quite out of date. I'd like to place the image under the 'City and Suburbs' section below the image of the the 'aerial view of the city'

Albury skyline at sunset

Charlie150408 (talk) 23:28, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for coming to the talk page to explain what you are trying to do. The reason your edits that swap the infobox image were reverted is that it is a poor quality image that does little to illustrate the subject of the article and is inferior to that which already exists. Similarly placing the image in the City and Suburbs section does little to support the text. An image should work when included as a thumbnail. At that size I can make out an overgrown house block, two cars and some houses. If I enlarge the image I can then make-out some buildings below the horizon. Nothing at all unique or illustrative of the subject. Wikipedia is not a gallery of images and the standard for image inclusion is high. That images maybe old or out-of-date is not a reason to exclude them. By logical extension all images are out-of-date. Often that is their value - being an historical record. I hope that clarifies what appears to be the consensus of opinion of editors on this matter. If other editors actions are unclear, politely ask for clarification on a talk page. Don't edit war. Bleakcomb (talk) 04:08, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Albury's house numbering system

Having grown up there, I'm aware there's a zoning system that governs the range of numbers allocated to houses. They don't just start at No. 1 in every street. My family home was number 682, in a street of only 40-50 houses. I've never come across this system anywhere else in Australia, and I can't find anything about in on google.

Do we have any information on the genesis of this system? -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 00:48, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

see page 6 of http://www.alburyhistory.org.au/downloads/Bulletin-510.pdf. Kerry (talk) 10:21, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Kerry. I sort of get how the system worked, but the way it's described is a riot of ambiguity, particularly the last sentence:

• all streets running north and south from Dean would start at 500 and all streets running east and west of Olive street would start at 500. (!}

As this is, as far as I'm aware, something unique to Albury at least as far as Australian towns go, maybe we should make some mention of it in the article. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 20:58, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

yeah, it's a bit weird (both the description and the system itself). I can see it might make sense if the town was laid out as a strict grid but it doesn't appear to be the case (I'm not from albury BTW just looking at it in google maps, zoom right in to see the street numbers). I guess dean and olive streets was perceived as the centre of town. Yes, I think it's worth a mention in the article itself and we have a source so go ahead . Kerry (talk) 21:12, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, will do. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 22:36, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

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2/23 Battalion?

Should we add the 2/23 Battalion? They did train here and they were known as "Albury's Own". Catmando999 Check out his talk page! 05:27, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

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