Talk:Anglo-Welsh Cup

merging of the anglo-welsh cup with the English knock-out cup is original research

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The English knock-out has cup continued for non-Premiership sides.

This merges the English knock-out cup prior to teh start of the AW cup with the anglo-welsh cup. if anything, the AW cup should be a separate article, and the knock-out cup continuing from there.

anything else is original research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.147.57.214 (talk) 21:28, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Nonsense. The cup was re-formatted to include Welsh regions. The lower tier competition is now called the EDF Energy Trophy. Nouse4aname (talk) 10:28, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I think there is real confused here about all the competitions and how they fit together. For a start, the Anglo-Welsh Cup is NOT the successor tournament to the old RFU Knockout cup. It is a separate tournament - in which only the English Premiership clubs can compete, where as the old RFU cup was open to all clubs. This leads nicely to the RFU Trophey which is a separate competition but run on lines similar to the old RFU cup. Lastly, there are two Anglo Welsh cups. In the mid 1990's - teams competed in a competition that to the best of knowledge was never completed. It was separate to the current A-W cup but it is worthy of an entry.

To summarise, you need three separate articles - A RFU KNOCKOUT CUP, ANGLO-WELSH INCLUDING MENTION OF THE MID 90'S COMP AND NATIONAL TROPHY (PLUS ALL THE 'JUNIOR' COMPETITIONS THAT THAT SPAWNED) RichardLowther (talk) 23:20, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Edits made to update Grinner's and GordyB's initial articles. -FC

I had intended to keep the Powergen Cup article separate from the Anglo-Welsh Cup but I suppose there is a fair case for merger. If anybody has an opinion on this then put it here or I'll merge the two articles.GordyB 10:24, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

I think merger is appropriate as they are calling the Anglo-Welsh Cup the Powergen cup. Some of my additions were merely lifted from your AWC article, so I would hope you would go ahead and merge them. Thanks, FC.

EDF Energy Cup

I tried to move the page to EDF Energy Cup, but it appears that that page is already set up, thus, preventing a move. Powergen are no longer the sponsors, so it really needs to be at EDF Energy Cup. I think an admin might have to fix it. Cvene64 16:33, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I tried following the advice here [1] but seem to have messed it up. I moved EDF Energy Cup to EDFEnergyCup to allow Powergen Cup to be moved to EDF Energy Cup but it still won't let me. I've asked for an admin to sort it out at WP:RM. Alexj2002 20:42, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

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Move from EDF Energy Cup

I moved the page as requested. Please do all necessary fixes; in particular, decide what to do with the logo (remove it or update the fair-use rationale). -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 09:36, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

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Tournament format

How long has the current cross block format been in use for this competition? And how are the group winners decided in the event of ties. In the extreme case, all of group 1 could win all of their games against group 4, leaving 3 unbeaten teams to be eliminated and a losing team gojng through. MidlandLinda (talk) 23:14, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Current format came into use in 2009/10 season. I'm fairly certain that ties are decided by tries scored then points difference but don't have a reference for that, just memory from reading programmes etc.Skeene88 (talk) 10:07, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

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Merge with Premiership Rugby Cup?

Basically if Premiership Rugby Cup is regarding as a different competition, rather than just a re-organisation of this cup, then why is the history of the RFU Knockout Cup included in this?

My view is that Premiership Rugby Cup should be a re-direct here and the page be possibly re-named but I can't think what as?Skeene88 (talk) 08:02, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

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• From Premiership Rugby Cup: Morgan, Charlie (2018-05-06). "Exclusive: Anglo-Welsh Cup replaced by all-English competition". The Daily Telegraph. Retrieved 2018-05-12.
• From RFU Intermediate Cup: Wildman, Rob (19 April 2004). "Bradford keep Old Boys at bay". Telegraph. Retrieved 7 April 2018.

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Proposed Split

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Consensus to split, which has already been accomplished at RFU_Knockout_Cup. Felix QW (talk) 21:12, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

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It doesn't seem right to have the history of the English Cup be exclusively under the title of the Anglo-Welsh cup. I propose that a new article, called either its original name of RFU Club Competition or its final name of Powergen Cup, should cover the tournament up to the introduction of Welsh teams in 2005.

The tournament may have been a continuation from the perspective that it was organised by the RFU and sponsored by Powergen, but otherwise, the formats were completely different:

• Earlier tournaments were contested by English clubs only, making the current title inaccurate for a large portion of the article.
• It followed a similar format to the FA Cup in association football and Challenge Cup in rugby league, a knockout cup where any club could apply and qualify for, with more established sides entering at a later stage. The later tournaments would use various pool formats and were exclusive to the top sides in each respective country.
• Later years reduced the importance of the cup, with it becoming a development tournament during international weekends.
• The current Premiership Rugby Cup is already a separate article.

The current article can still have a brief section on the history of the cup pre 2005-06, with the new article listed as further reading. RatzaChewy (talk) 20:20, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Go for it. I would use the name RFU knock out competition as I believe that was its official name for its entire life.Skeene88 (talk) 10:07, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

New draft page is available: Draft:RFU_Knockout_Cup RatzaChewy (talk) 17:22, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

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