Talk:April O'Neil

Artists Responsible for Different Character Designs

More than an accounting of every episode of the comics and cartoons this character has been included in, I think it would be great to know what real people were involved in creating the designs for each of the very distinct phases the character has gone through. We know that Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird were responsible for the original design in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles v1 #2 that looked like Amy Madigan in Streets of Fire, with a painted depiction of the same by Richard Corben, but beyond that everything seems to be lumped together under the label "character design" with many different artists credited.

In particular, I would like to know who designed the April O'Neil character for the 1987 cartoon. For all the different depictions, that yellow jumpsuited, Titian haired design seems to be the most iconic (recognized immediately by the general public). There are, however, eight individuals credited for character design on that first episode of the cartoon. 75.105.64.52 (talk) 22:03, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Comment

I really doubt if this is notable but it seems to have been created early enough for to put this on WP:VfD. JuntungWu 02:16, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

April O'Neil is an integral character to one of the most signifigant pop culture phenomonas of the eighties and early nineties. Even if she wasn't a queen of Spain she is notable enough to keep an entry. If Final Fantasy gets to have every minute detail of every game in the series there then April should at least get a standard entry. If anything this needs to be redone, some parts are really redundant and poorly written and there is barely anything mentioned about the character from the source material instead this seems entirely focused on the cartoon character. Stranger Dan

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Okay, I know I'm the one who suggested that the article should be expanded but this is just overkill now. This isn't supposed to be an April O'Neil fansite this is just supposed to be a simple encyclopedia entry. There are way too many images and some of them are kind of creepy. Look at some other comic book character entries or any other entry for a fictional character of other mediums. You'll see that none of them have a fan art section. This is because fan art doesn't belong here. Furthermore this obsession with the one episode furry version of her is just plain unsettling not to mention not signifigant or important to the article in any way.--Stranger Dan 17:33, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Boxer?

I don't remember seeing april boxing. Whic episode of the show was that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aslan10000 (talk • contribs) 02:28, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

1987

"In 1987, having been employed at Channel 6 for less than a year, April was reporting on a series of thefts of high-tech scientific equipment, apparently by ninja, (ostensibly components Shredder was securing for use in the Technodrome) when she came under attack by a gang of punks."

It must mean the 1987 cartoon. They never said which year it was in the cartoon. And April celebrated one year at Channel 6 during season 3 (the episode "Invasion of the Turtle Snatchers"), not during season one.

Template

This article may need a template, but the date of birth of all the characters is officially unknown. --PJ Pete

KMRG

Was KMRG the call letters of any station the O'Neil worked for? --SparqMan 19:02, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Portable Computer

In the 1987 cartoon series, her portable computer was an old one from the 80s where the screen's background is black while the wording she types in is in a certain colour when back then, computers had a colour restriction. In the 2003 cartoon series, her portable computer was a modern type where the Internet can be accessed, and the in-screen is multi-coloured. --PJ Pete

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Was April O'Neil originally Black?

I heard a rumor that April O'Neil was originally intended to be African American. I see her first original appearances she has different prominent features. Maya Levy 01:43, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

All TMNT comics prior to the animated series' first air date quite clearly depict a swarthy woman with features that hint at her being Black (e.g. full lips; a curly hairstyle, possibly the then-popular Jheri curl). Have Eastman and Laird themselves wrote this off on the record as purely coincidental?Kuahmel (talk) 07:08, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Update: I found a blog in which the writer talks to creators Eastman and Laird about April's look in the early Mirage comics. Eastman says that he thought of her as a fair-skinned Black woman like her namesake (and his first wife) April Fisher. The last name O'Neil and the later comic/other media look as a white redhead was Laird's vision. Eastman's drawing was what we saw due to his being better at drawing women. Source? http://the-5th-turtle.blogspot.com/2007/12/pieces-of-april.html?showComment=1199129280001. Kuahmel (talk) 03:01, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

To add proper clarity to the myth, this post made by TMNT Entity back in 2018, when the cast reveal for Rise which points that she wasn't and shows some receipts. At the time I figured this would help settle the dispute, but seeing how the cast reveal for Mutant Mayhem just merely renewed the discourse.

The TL:DR version, April was conceived to be Asian and was named after Eastman's then-girlfriend April Fisher who was a biracial black woman, but was presented as white in issues #2 and #3, and in issue #4 she went to a "new wave" salon and got a perm and a tan, but eventually abandoned the look several issues later. However, issue #32 did feature her as black, but it was a non-canonical story. 73.251.43.84 (talk) 20:13, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

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Porn actress?

This is a character for a childrens tv show, should there really be a link to a page on the porn star of the same name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.71.212.61 (talk) 08:53, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Well the actress's stage name is also April O'Neil which she chose as a homage to this character. --Nikolai508 (talk) 13:51, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Regarding this issue, I believe that since Wikipedia is not censored (ie, regarding this type of content, "being objectionable is generally not sufficient grounds for removal"), and the fact that, well, the porn actress's name is "April O'Neil", the hatnote is appropriate. Canuck^{89 (chat with me)} 22:48, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Rename page

Shouldn't we rename this page April O'Neil (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles), and have April O'Neil link to the disambiguation page to keep in line with the other Ninja Turtles pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.194.218.25 (talk) 23:04, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 7 April 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No move. Cúchullain ^t/c 14:30, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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• April O'Neil → April O'Neil (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles)
• April O'Neil (disambiguation) → April O'Neill
• April O'Neil (actress) → April O'Neil (pornographic actress)

– Adding template to IP 73.194.218.25 two move proposals: (1) "Shouldn't we rename this page April O'Neil (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles), and" (2) "have April O'Neil link to the disambiguation page to keep in line with the other Ninja Turtles pages?" Additionally proposed (3) restore the usual dab "pornographic" to actress, removed by non-admin participant in recent RM. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:15, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

• Weak support of (1), if moved baseline should redirect to April O'Neil (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles)
  • Oppose (2), believe baseline should remain the character, not the dab, or redirect to April O'Neil (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles)
  • Support (3), there was evidently no consensus to remove "pornographic" for a pornstar named after a children's character, and children will easily confuse April O'Neil (actress) with Jean Paige Turco the live character actress who played April O'Neil opposite the Turtles in the movie, so the pornstar named after the cartoon should go back to April O'Neil (pornographic actress). In ictu oculi (talk) 20:15, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose all three. The TMNT character is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and the actress/pornographic actress issue was just settled. This looks like forum shopping to me. --Ahecht (TALK
  PAGE) 20:20, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

No it's a move and I didn't even propose it, the IP appears to be from New Jersey In ictu oculi (talk) 20:23, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

The IP didn't propose the April O'Neil (actress) → April O'Neil (pornographic actress) move, you put that in there as an "additional" proposal that has nothing to do with what this page is called. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 18:04, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

I put it in because that's how the category is dabbed, and (actress) could confuse with Jean Paige Turco. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:05, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose above, suggest...
• April O'Neil → April O'Neil (fictional character) April O'Neil (character) - updating recommendation, Scal
• April O'Neil (disambiguation) → April O'Neill
• April O'Neil (actress) → no change, redirect already exists

The recommendation to change to "(fictional character)" is because no one can guarantee that the character will not appear in a non-TMNT themed production. Licensing deals and joint ventures happen all the time. Plus Viacom, who currently owns the rights to TMNT, can't sue the adult film performer because using the name in porn is a non-competing use. Whether or not they could sue a mainstream actress, even if her real name is April O'neil, for using that name because they own the non-porn rights is unclear. I just know that the union, SAG-AFTRA doesn't allow two members to have the same name. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 20:48, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose all three per Ahecht  — Amakuru (talk) 21:53, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
• Support. The porn star is primary topic by an overwhelmingly margin. It's 185 views for the character compared to 46,000 (31,452 + 14,048) for the "actress." So she should be at the base name. There is no actual porn at the porn star's article, you know. If the current setup is supposed to help the wee ones avert their eyes, I'd say it's not doing a very good job. As for the TMNT character, she should be moved to April O'Neil (character). Man from Nephew (talk) 10:19, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
  • You should link to the proper statistics "April O'Neil 48991 ; not the talk page accesses. At any rate, Wikipedia is not the entire world. The porn star was recently featured in several Wikipedia process pages. The porn star is clearly not the primary topic. Google Books;Google NewsGogole clearly the TMNT character make up the majority of the results -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 10:52, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
    • Well, that's embarrassing. Let me try again, this time using data from March to avoid all the recent instability. I get 14,700 views for the comics article, 16,000 (9794 + 6197) for the actress. Since our pages exist to serve our readers, Wikipedia-specific data is more relevant. In any case, I assume the numbers for the comics article are mostly an artifact of it being the current primary topic. According to the Google rankings, readers are looking for either the porn star or the live action movie character. Man from Nephew (talk) 15:26, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
      • So it looks like porn is a bit more popular (by Readership) than cartoons or maybe comic books, no surprise there. As for the real world, if anyone wants to claim that porn doesn't drive the largest percentage of internet traffic on any given day or at any given moment, that's a lost cause. SO the numbers are on the side of the actress, not the character. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 16:16, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose all as proposed; support alternative proposal by Scalhotrod above. Actors in pornography are actors, and should get the shorter, generic disambiguation unless there are two actors that need to be distinguished. Characters in fiction are characters, and should get generic disambiguation unless there are two fictional characters that need to be distinguished. It's not clear to me that the actress is the primary topic simply because she has recent publicity. Last of all, some comments above imply that one April O'Neil is primary because the subject to which they are related is More Important; that is not the case, and is one more reason to prefer generic disambiguation, since long specific disambiguators can be a nonneutral attempt to claim the subject for a topic that is viewed favorably or unfavorably. 209.211.131.181 (talk) 17:44, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

To be clear, I supported Scalhotrod's original proposal and also support his slightly updated one. 209.211.131.181 (talk) 03:44, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose all Porn star is named after the character and its a cartoon aimed at children, if anyone had any common sense we'd want them to hit this article first. Cue outraged porn proponents with no common sense, shouting wikipedia isn't censored and missing the point. WCM_email 16:28, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

@Wee Curry Monster: actually that impression of TMNT is not entirely true. Back in the 80s when it introduced, it may have been in comic book form, but it was squarely aimed at young adults, basically the high school and college crowd in its writing and subject matter. Kevin Eastman, one of the co-creators, is also the editor of Heavy Metal magazine which is adult themed in nature. Has TMNT been conscripted into more adolescent material since, of course, but your statement that "its a cartoon aimed at children" is incorrect. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 16:50, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

• The proposal is to send readers to a disambiguation page first. The actress's page doesn't advocate pornography anyway. Man from Nephew (talk) 22:43, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

• I see that Scalhotrod has updated his proposal. I support his updated scheme as the best proposal made so far. Man from Nephew (talk) 00:13, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

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some more illustations for different incarnations would come in handy

Also references of course, and one might create a robus reception section based even on the Internet lists and articles. --LKAvn (talk) 10:23, 15 June 2015 (UTC)