Talk:Assassination of George Tiller

Latest comment: 14 hours ago by PARAKANYAA in topic Requested move 27 November 2024

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Assassination of George TillerMurder of George Tiller – Originally created at "Murder of" in 2010. The article was moved to "Assassination of" without discussion, flip-flopped a few times, and has been at this stable title since 2011. No evidence that "Assassination of" is more prominently used in reliable sources. Per WP:DEATHS, in the absence of a clear WP:COMMONNAME, "Murder of" is the preferred title. 162 etc. (talk) 17:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:07, 5 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

Oppose. "Assassination of" as a title pattern isn't really accounted for by the DEATHS essay, which is not policy but which is mostly focused on Killing/Murder as a distinction to avoid BLP issues (which is policy). Given this was a politically focused killing this is the most appropriate title, which from a search sees about as common usage. It's more specific in a way that I think is beneficial. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:08, 29 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Support per nom. Maybe "assassination" is better, maybe "murder" is better, but when the sources are mixed, just pick "murder." It is unquestionably a murder, and Wikipedia should only move away from that titling when it's a slam-dunk case. SnowFire (talk) 01:34, 30 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
Relisting comment: Can get a few more comments ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:07, 5 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oppose It’s an assassination Vinnylospo (talk) 22:54, 8 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oppose Based on the pages Murder (Murder is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse committed with the necessary intention ..) and Assassination (Assassination is the willful killing, by a sudden, secret, or planned attack, of a person—especially if prominent or important. It may be prompted by political, ideological, religious, personal, financial, or military motives.) I would say that assassination is a correct term here. The Banner talk 23:47, 8 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
My argument isn't that "assassination" is incorrect; but rather that there's no evidence that the word is used by a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources. 162 etc. (talk) 22:20, 17 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Support that while I agree with The Banner that it appears that this was a "assassination", in both the article and it's sources, it clearly says he was charged and found guilty of first-degree murder, and that it specifically did not meet Kansas' standards for capital murder (which is essentially what was above defined as assassination). Thus while it might quack, apparently they specifically called out that it was not chargeable and nor was he found guilty of an assassination. TiggerJay(talk) 04:58, 14 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Whether it was or was not capital murder has little to do with it being an assassination. There are no specific convictions covering assassinations in this jurisdiction to my knowledge. PARAKANYAA (talk) 12:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
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