Talk:Association football/Archive 27

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Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2023

contact = Limited change it to Full and add references beside contact [1] 80.233.39.116 (talk) 18:05, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Blogs are not reliable sources. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:26, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
It's quite obvious that football is a contact sport. However, the distinction between "limited" and "full" is not defined in general by the Laws of the Game, which only define what is prohibited for this code of football (as other codes--such as the Rugbys and Australian rules etc--only prohibit specific types of contact relevant to those other games). Therefore, I propose football is defined here as "a contact sport" and nothing more.
For instance, from section '2. Indirect free kick'
"If the ball is within playing distance, the player may be fairly charged by an opponent." indication the legality of contact in the sport.
For further definition of the limits of permitted contact in football. see sections "3. Disciplinary action". (Both sections are found under Fouls and Misconduct in the current Laws of the Game, hosted on TheIFAB.com). SteadyJames (talk) 14:21, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

References

The definition of "Limited Contact" just doesn't exist at all outside of a few niche references, and I'm suspicious as to whether they have based their webpages on wikipedia in the first place. The Contact Sport wikipedia page being used as a reference point seems entirely constructed of opinion. It's a lot of WP:OR and WP:SYNTH that started out kind of defining contact sport as a subject - and now has branched into speculative subcategorising. Koncorde (talk) 16:03, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
If the wiki page is in doubt the why not just remove the link altogether? Despite this temporary workaround, football is a contact sport as defined by the laws of the game and so should be defined as such here. SteadyJames (talk) 22:04, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Here is a link to a reputable source- the Professional Football Scouts Association (PFSA)
https://thepfsa.co.uk/is-football-a-contact-sport/
If in doubt, just check the Law of The Game, which clearly permit full contact. SteadyJames (talk) 22:12, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
I haven't removed the link because I am researching the actual context of the words used to ensure we have reliable sources to support those assertions and their original source for the meaning which the source you have provided actually cites: https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/contact+sport "the term contact sport has been divided into full contact (collision), semi-contact, limited contact, and non-contact sports". If this is indeed the case and there has been some subdivision, it is obviously preferable to see whether their statement has merit, mentions the broad number of sports in question and so on rather than us just making our own minds up. Absent such reliable sources you will likely end up in an edit war on the Contact Sport page. Koncorde (talk) 23:29, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Here is an actual reliable source indicating the specific categories, and a list of sports that qualify for those categories: Study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5851127/ Table of definitions: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5851127/table/table2-1758573217728290/?report=objectonly with the original source being the American Academy of Pediatrics Committee on Sports Medicine which is about as significant definition as you are likely to get (far above an unsourced blog on the PFSA page). Currently trying to identify original source. Appears to be the journal Pediatrics from 1988 May; 81(5):737-9. Summary is here https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article-abstract/81/5/737/55191/Recommendations-for-Participation-in-Competitive?redirectedFrom=PDF but not the full article as Journal is paywalled, but gives something to look for with other articles that will have referenced it. Koncorde (talk) 23:48, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
I have changed the reference in the infobox to "yes" to match the outline of Template:Infobox sport rather than confuse matters of stating it's "Contact: Contact" or similar. Any further discussion on definitions of contact sport should take place at the Contact sport article where I have started to rebuild it based upon the reliable source of the AAP mentioned above. Koncorde (talk) 15:22, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
This sounds appropriate. SteadyJames (talk) 07:49, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2023

Add Futbol boots to equipement 70.25.127.82 (talk) 14:12, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 12:18, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
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