Talk:Basilan

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Help needed . . .

Help! A dedicated editor is adding what looks like reams of Original Research to this page, which is already way too long! Can some of you drop by and help out in patrolling so that the additions don't get too far out of hand. I would like to begin to pare back the length of this article by making subsidiary articles out of the content, but the esteemed editor, Jjarivera, is adding and editing without pause for reflection, it seems. Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Basilan&action=history. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 22:15, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Reverting Tourism and sections with no sources

I will be reverting additions that lack sources, as well as those relating to tourism subjects (which should be placed in Wikitravel). This action is taken subsequent to my posting of the above Talk section and a message to JjaRivera requesting cooperation in providing sources. A similar message has been posted at Wikipedia_talk:Tambayan_Philippines/Task_force_LGU#Help_needed_for_Basilan. Yours very sincerely. GeorgeLouis (talk) 19:19, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Area

The Philippine Standard Geographic Codes shows that the area of Basilan is 322,447 hectares (3,224.47 km²), which would make it almost as large as Kalinga (province). Considering the wide range of land areas given in other sources, the PSGC value seems highly implausible as a land area. Maybe it is an estimate, wrong units of measurement, order of magnitude error, or includes sea area. This value is a total of all municipalities and cities, therefore we must conclude that the values given for the municipalities and cities are also erroneous. It has been impossible to find reliable and authoritative data for the land areas of the LGU's, probably because the LGU's have not been properly surveyed. I have found the following data so far, and added areas as measured on Google Earth (for comparison - yes, it is OR but it does give a sense of the ballpark the areas should be in) and the PSGC values (for reference):

LGU	Area in source (km2)	Source	Notes	Area measured on Google Earth (km2)	Area per PSGC (km2)
Akbar	38.76	http://basilan.net/akbar-municipality.html	Sum of barangay areas; no total area given in the report.	35	182.01
Al-Barka	72.58	http://basilan.net/albarka.html		50	188.70
Hadji Mohammad Ajul	41.02	http://basilan.net/hadji-mohammad-ajul.html / http://www.lawphil.net/statutes/mmaa/5a/pdf/mmaa_192_5a.pdf		55	202.50
Hadji Muhtamad	???		No data found	50	none
Isabela City	226.45	http://basilan.net/isabela-city.html	At least this value is very close to the one given at PSGC	230	223.73
Lamitan	354.45	http://basilan.net/lamitan-city.html	implausibly high	230	354.45
Lantawan	305.84	http://basilan.net/lantawan.html	includes Hadji Muhtamad, implausibly high	150	405.04
Maluso	168.46	http://basilan.net/maluso.html		120	304.14
Sumisip	567.60	http://basilan.net/sumisip.html	includes Tabuan-Lasa. But if 80.5 km2 for Tabuan-Lasa is deducted, it is still implausibly high.	280	567.60
Tabuan-Lasa	80.50	http://www.tabuan-lasa.gov.ph/tabuan_lasa/html/about_us.html#char		50	none
Tipo-Tipo	49.70	http://basilan.net/tipo-tipo.html	Sum of barangay areas; the total area shown in the report is almost the same as the PSGC value.	55	217.00
Tuburan	471.97	http://basilan.net/tuburan.html	implausibly high	45	546.00
Ungkaya Pukan	96.13	http://basilan.net/ungkaya-pukan.html		60	257.03

In absence of an official survey, many of these land areas are likely unreliable. And we can't leave the erroneous PSGC values. I propose to adopt the areas marked in yellow since they make the most sense. LGU's without a logical value should have NO land area in the table or infobox - it is better to have no data than to show wrong data. If better authoritative data is found or made available in the future, we can update the land areas again. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 19:05, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

As long as the land area figures have footnotes and references, I have no objection to the proposed changes. It appears almost all ARMM cities and towns have similar implausible areas. The density should be updated as well. Sanglahi86 (talk) 19:56, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Of course. So LGU's shaded in red above will have no areas shown in their articles. As for the total land area of Basilan (1327.23 km2), see Talk:Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao#Area why the Bangsamoro Development Plan was chosen as the source for the land area. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 19:01, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm suspecting that some of the land areas shown at PSGC are acres, not hectares. For example, Lantawan has reportedly 40504 ha, but if taken as acres, it is 163.91 square kilometres (40,504 acres), which is about the right size. And Sumisip for example: 56,760 acres or 229.7 square kilometres, again the right order of magnitude. Anyway, without authoritative and reliable sources, I won't add any such conversions to articles but maybe someone can find new sources for this... -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 16:31, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes, they may be referring to hectares. Ok, I have also used the area figures you have pointed out in List of cities and municipalities in the Philippines. Just hoping PSA will update their area data in the near future. Sanglahi86 (talk) 20:31, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Next step: finding better data for the other provinces in ARMM. Those land areas at PSGC are also out of whack. PSA will likely not update this for a while... -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 14:33, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

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