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Oracle

I've reverted the merge of Oracle to Batgirl. This was done with no consensus by an anon and breaks the mold established by characters alter egos, such as Robin and Spoiler, being kept seperate.Gateman1997 21:20, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Barbara Gordon

We purposely keep them seperated out to make differentiating between the Batgirls easier.Gateman1997 22:24, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Separate page for Betty Kane?

I was wondering if the first Bat-Girl should have a separate page, since now all the other Batgirls do as well. It would also make links easier -- currently the Batwoman and Flamebird pages need to link using the awkward syntax of [[Batgirl#Betty Kane|Bat-Girl]].

But I figured I should ask first, since perhaps this idea has been debated and rejected in the past. - Lawrence King 04:36, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Spinning her off into her own 'main article' (as done with the other Batgirls) doesn't seem amiss, though I'd think she'd need a bit of a beefier article. As it stands, she'd be a stub. Why not make a Betty Kane to redirect to Batgirl for now, and then if you can make it a decent article, un-redirect later? -- Ipstenu 15:59, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Why does the "Betty Kane" page redirect here, when there is an entire article dedicated to Betty Kane at Flamebird?

This article has both her Bat-Girl and Flamebird history. Tigrahawk 04:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Recently, I split her off into Bette Kane and am in the process of correcting the redirects. Feel free to add or correct information. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 22:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Yvonne Craig's costume

Hey everyone. I happened across this page kinda by accident and was reminded of an interview I read many years ago in Cinefantastique magazine regarding Ms. Craig's time as Batgirl. Supposedly, the nature of her costume made it impossible for her to sit down between takes, or else the entire thing would become bunched up and crumpled. Has anyone else out there heard this story? I will try to find the issue where the interview is printed, but I thought I would ask. I think that's a fairly neat little piece of trivia regarding that portrayl of the character. I don't know much about the character but this article is pretty informative. Thanks for listening. Ljacone

Small quibble over introduction word

I find myself wondering why the word 'classic' belongs in this sentence: "However, in the classic 1988 one shot The Killing Joke, The Joker shot her in the spine, leaving her paraplegic; she later reinvented herself as Oracle, the premiere information broker of the DC’s superhero community."

It seems a vague, possibly subjective, and at any rate unencyclopedic note to hit. Does anyone agree or disagree?

LaPrecieuse 02:40, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

As much as I hate "The Killing Joke" as a comic, it is indeed considered a classic my comic-book collectors and fans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.78.163.63 (talk) 16:12, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Fictional librarian category?

Do we want to add this category on this page? It is on the Barbara Gordon page now, and I know that the other characters to be Batgirl were not librarians, but I don't think it would be inappropriate here as well. Comments?

KConWiki 13:23, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Moving this to the bottom of the page ... No. If there's a shared page, and no spinoffs, then it would be appropriate, but in this case, it's more applicable on Babs' page alone. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 13:52, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Just had my addition of the category Fictional librarians removed and replaced with just the category Librarian which doesn't make sense. I.e., if not all Batgirls were librarians and it's not copacetic to add the fictional category, then the non-fictional category makes even less sense. In any case, I posit that since at least one incarnation of Batgirl (Barbara Gordon) is a librarian that the category makes sense for both articles. The point of categorization in this case is as an appropriate entry point to relevant articles. By NOT putting this article in the category Category:Fictional librarians wikipedia users browsing that category will see Barbara Gordon listed, but NOT Batgirl. That then requires them to already know that Barbara Gordon is Batgirl before they ever read that article. Similarly, since not all versions of Batgirl are sidekicks, THAT category should be removed for consistency. My point here is that you can have consistency (remove all categories that aren't universal to all incarnations of Batgirl - something I don't favor), or you can have utility (people looking for fictional librarians will find BOTH Batgirl and Barbara Gordon).

Besides, in library land, everyone knows Batgirl was a librarian. Comments? -- Quartermaster (talk) 13:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Yup, at least some stories, and the 1960s show, have Barbara Gordon employed as a librarian. But only that character, not the other 4 that branch off of this dab page. The cats for this article should be limited to those that apply to all 5 characters. That means that the following (based on current cats) are valid:

• DC Comics superheroes
• DC Comics titles
• American comics characters
• Fictional vigilantes

These should not be here since they are not shared across the board:

• Comic book sidekicks (Misfit has not really been a sidekick)
• DC Comics martial artists (Misfit, again)
• Fictional detectives (Only covers Barbara, may cover Helena and Cass)

And just for clarity, the individual articles have:

• Barbara
  • American comics characters
  • Comic book sidekicks
  • DC Comics superheroes
  • DC Comics martial artists
  • Fictional adoptees
  • Fictional Americans
  • Fictional characters with eidetic memory
  • Fictional characters with spinal disabilities
  • Fictional detectives
  • Fictional hackers
  • Fictional lawyers
  • Fictional librarians
  • Fictional orphans
  • Fictional politicians
  • Fictional technopaths
  • Fictional United States Representatives
  • Fictional vigilantes (Should be added)
• Bette
  • American comics characters
  • Fictional Americans
  • Child superheroes
  • Comic book sidekicks
  • DC Comics martial artists
  • DC Comics superheroes
  • Fictional characters from California
  • Fictional gymnasts
  • Fictional tennis players
  • Fictional vigilantes (Should be added)
• Helena
  • Catholic comic book characters
  • DC Comics superheroes
  • DC Comics martial artists
  • Fictional Italian-Americans (covers "American comics characters")
  • Fictional orphans
  • Fictional schoolteachers
  • Fictional vigilantes
  • Fictional child molestation victims
• Cassandra
  • Asian superheroes
  • Comic book sidekicks
  • DC Comics martial artists
  • DC Comics superheroes
  • Fictional Asian Americans (covers "American comics characters")
  • Fictional assassins
  • Fictional Eurasians
  • Fictional vigilantes (Should be added)
• Misfit
  • American comics characters
  • DC Comics characters who can teleport
  • DC Comics characters with superhuman strength
  • DC Comics metahumans
  • DC Comics superheroes
  • DC Comics characters with accelerated healing
  • Fictional orphans
  • Fictional vigilantes (Should be added)

- J Greb (talk) 15:15, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I've gone ahead and deleted the erroneous categories from the article. -- Quartermaster (talk) 20:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

SEPT 07- Proposed merger

Since Barbara Gordon is the only Batgirl to have been adapted into other media, I suggest having "Batgirl in other media" reduced to a single paragraph and redirect to Barbara_Gordon#Adaptations_into_other_Media Bookkeeperoftheoccult 05:31, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I can see having it compressed and adding the link. (And is there a {{main}} style link for a specific section?) But the section here may run slightly more than just 1 paragraph, no sub-heads though, definitely no sub-heads. - J Greb 06:22, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

PROPOSED REVISION:

Main article: Barbara Gordon

Barbara Gordon's incarnation as Batgirl has become one of DC Comic's most recognizable female superhero icons. To date, Gordon's version of Batgirl has been adapted into all media relating to the Batman franchise including merchandise, television, animation and feature film. Notable adaptations of Batgirl include:

• Batman: The Barbara Gordon Batgirl appeared in the final season of the live-action Batman television series in 1967, the same year as her comic-book debut. In fact, she was created in cooperation with the show's producers, who wanted a female character who could be added to the show's regular cast.

• Birds of Prey: The short-lived Birds of Prey television series (2002) featured a paralyzed Barbara Gordon (Dina Meyer) donning her Batgirl costume both in flashback sequences and in the present, thanks to a device that allows her to walk.

• Batman with Robin the Boy Wonder: Batgirl made her first animated appearance in 1968, turning up in a handful of episodes of the animated Filmation series The Batman/Superman Hour and voiced by Jane Webb. The character was voiced by Melendy Britt in the 1977 animated series entitled The New Adventures of Batman.

• Batman: The Animated Series: More recently, Barbara Gordon was a recurring character in Batman: The Animated Series, voiced by Melissa Gilbert, and later in the follow-up series The New Batman Adventures, by Tara Strong. In the animated series, she originally adopted the Batgirl identity to help her father when he was framed by Two-Face.

• The Batman:A young Barbara Gordon assumed the role of Batgirl in the third season of The Batman, voiced by Danielle Judovits. In that series, Barbara was close friends with the teenaged eco-terrorist Pamela Isley, who became transformed into Poison Ivy in the same two-part special that introduced Batgirl.

• Batman & Robin: The Barbara Gordon version of Batgirl was the inspiration for the character Barbara Wilson that was portrayed by actress Alicia Silverstone in the 1997 movie Batman & Robin. This Batgirl was similar in many ways to Barbara Gordon, but James Gordon's relatively small role in the films contributed to the differences. The film also provided her with her own transport in the form of the Batblade.

All other information would be deleted since it is all mentioned in Barbara Godrdon's article.Bookkeeperoftheoccult 08:50, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

BARBARA GORDON'S ROLE IN BATMAN BEYOND

I really don't believe why is not mentioned the participation of Barbara Gordon in Batman Beyond. Please check the Batman Beyond article in Wikipedia, there she is mentioned. Don't you think is a discrepancy not to talk about that here too? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.134.69.125 (talk) 17:38, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Barbara Gordon was not Batgirl in Batman Beyond. She was Police commissioner of Gotham City. Therefore her appearances in the series are not mentioned in this article which focuses on use of the Batgirl character. Her role in Batman Beyond should be mentioned in the Barbara Gordon article under the Animation subsection.Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 01:35, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Barbara from Batman TAS.

In Batman the Animated Animated Series, didn't she die when the Scarecrow pushed her off a skyscraper? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.122.193 (talk) 13:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

The episode you're referring to is "Over the Edge" from The New Batman Adventures. The end of the episode reveals Barbara had been dreaming due to being gassed by the Scarecrow. She was never really killed. Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 21:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

GA pass

At first I was taken aback by the odd organization of the article. It talks about everything from a historical perspective, rather than having an "origins" section and an "abilities" section and a "reception" section. But as I read it I realized it covers all of those things very well. Great job. Wrad (talk) 01:46, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Endash and Emdash

There are problems with the use of dashes in the article. GrahamColm^Talk 10:14, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Collected Edition listing?

I noticed that this main Batgirl page doesn't list any collected editions, but the article 'Cassandra Cain' does... to me, this seems really counter-intuitive and kind of backwards. Wouldn't it be better to show the Batgirl TPBs on the Batgirl article itself? 94.168.72.144 (talk) 17:10, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Merger

I was thinking that due to the Batgirl merger we could have the publication history have the Volume one and two from the merging article replace Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown. Volume One for Cain and Two for Brown. We will keep any existing infromation and add the new one and add the collected editions into this article. Or we could have volume one and two int the publication page with the collected editions and have the characters in their own section. --Schmeater (talk) 00:39, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Claimants?

Helena Bertinelli belongs in the same category as Betty Kane, Barbara Gordon, Cassandra Cain, and Stephanie Brown as an officially recognized Batgirl. Though her tenure as Batgirl was intended as temporary, she was a Batgirl officially sanctioned by Batman and was heavily promoted by DC at the time as a new Batgirl.

Charlotte Gage-Radcliffe falls into a separate category and, I would argue, does not even deserve a mention in this article. She is in the same league of Batgirl imposters as Harley Quinn briefly posing as Batgirl, Dick Grayson dressing in drag as Batgirl as a decoy (in Batgirl: Year One), Clayface pretending to be Batgirl (in Supergirl #19), etc.

What is the consensus? If no objections are raised, I intend to edit the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackburnianW (talk • contribs) 21:37, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

non sequitur martil artist - sex object

history in comics of being portrayed as martial artists, and as a result, are often exploited as sex objects. - this seems a non-sequitur. What has being a martial artist got to do with being exploited as a sex object??? many male martial artists are in comic books are they also so exploited? What makes sexual exploitation of women anything to do with if they are martial artists or not??? at present this does not follow logically. Perhaps someone who knows the genre better can calrify. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.165.130.52 (talk) 18:41, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

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Batboy link

There's redirect link at the very top of the article to Batboy. This article is for Batgirl, not "Batboy". I believe the redirect link should be removed, since it's irrelevant. If the character was named Batboy, then it would stand to reason that a redirect link should be present. DrRC (talk) 21:01, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

The first line in Batboy states that an alternate name is Batgirl when the subject is female, and should thus a hat should be provided given that "batgirl" is an actual term. 9³ 22:10, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Since batgirl is a female form of batboy:

• Wiktionary
• OED: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/batgirl
• Merriam-Webster: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bat%20girl

and, in the same way that Actress redirects to Actor, people searching for a female version of "batboy" should be provided the link. 9³ 22:19, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

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Consistency and Accuracy

I'll just leave these here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batwoman_(Kathy_Kane) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bette_Kane#Pre-Crisis

GA Reassessment

Batgirl

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Result: More than a week, little to no movement towards improvement; article delisted. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 17:42, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Fails criteria 2 and 3: the article needs more citations (preferably from secondary sources), and it goes into excessive detail significantly beyond what is appropriate for the article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 01:51, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

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