Talk:Celebrity Big Brother (British TV series)

Differences

I think we should mention that the rules for Celebrity BB are different. They don't have to have cameras in the toilet and they don't have to give reasons for nominations.--Darrelljon 22:07, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

They do have to give reasons for nominations.--SimonPeter 23:02, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Nominations

Why aren't there nomination tables for series 1 and 2?--195.93.21.132 18:14, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Because nobody has that information. -- AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:34, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Page name

I believe this page should be at Celebrity Big Brother (UK) because it's not called Celebrity Big Brother UK, but it is Celebrity Big Brother, in the UK. But it won't let me move the page. -- AnemoneProjectors (talk) 18:45, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Split

Would anybody oppose to a splitting of the article into separate sections for each series? --_{talk to} JD ^{wants e-mail} 19:52, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I guess not. I'm sure the next one will be quite big if we have a chronology section. -- AnemoneProjectors (talk) 19:55, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Merge

Would anybody have a problem with the parts of the article that'd be left after a split being merged with the Big Brother UK article? --_{talk to} JD ^{wants e-mail} 20:06, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Why don't the eyes show?

What's up with the eyes? Why don't they show? Unreal7 (talk) 12:41, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

CBB sidebar

How do I add the current series celebrities into the sidebar? --MSalmon (talk) 16:03, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit Template:Big Brother sidebar/Celebrity UK –anemoneprojectors– 22:25, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Requested moves

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The result of the move request was: moved. A clear case has been made that UK version meets the usage criterion of primary topic. Jenks24 (talk) 08:58, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

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• Celebrity Big Brother (UK) → Celebrity Big Brother
• Celebrity Big Brother → Celebrity Big Brother (disambiguation)

– The UK CBB came first and has been going for over a decade - it's now on its 14th series. Only four other celebrity versions are called Celebrity Big Brother and all of them only lasted one series/season. Unreal7 (talk) 11:48, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

• Support per nom - CBB started over here first and so thus should be "top-priority" - I'll admit losing the "UK" is gonna be somewhat weird but everyone'll get used to it over time, Big Brother is redirected to the NL version so the CBB should be redirected to UK. –Davey2010 • (talk) 15:13, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose - will generate constant mislinks, and that this program started in UK first is not sufficient justification to claim WP:PRIMARYTOPIC with so many franchises. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:08, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

• I don't mean to badger but look at Big Brother - Despite that being it a worldwide programme that's still redirected to it's home town so why shouldn't this?, –Davey2010 • (talk) 23:17, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

• Support I'm not even sure how this could be a debate after you look at article traffic. Celebrity Big Brother (UK) had 16K hits in July and approximate 35K so far in August.[1][2]. The next closest is the dab page, Celebrity Big Brother, with 2.5K hits in July and 5K so far in August.[3][4] What's most interesting is you see near zero spillover traffic from the dab page onto the other versions of the show. The Australian version had 600 hits in July[5], the Finish 500 hits[6]. Further the jump in traffic for the dab page matches the traffic for the UK version. Since Celebrity Big Brother (UK) article does not contain a link to the dab article in the lead I think it's safe to say that there is actually mislinks that should be pointing to the UK article and not the dab.--Labattblueboy (talk) 04:31, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

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Title

I was trying to vote nfor Nikita to win but I couldn’t find the c..website nto vote for him to win so I do feel I’ve let nikka down u Why has the text on the infobox title suddenly become so small on the CBB and BB page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.126.177 (talk) 21:44, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move 10 September 2017

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Celebrity Big Brother (UK TV series). There seems to be a consensus for this move, and also a rough consensus that per WP:NCTV we should include "TV series". For future reference @TheDoctorWho: please could you put additional comments in a "Discussion" section below the "support" and "oppose" votes, because it makes it more difficult to read when there is a lot of extra stuff in the survey section. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 13:33, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

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Celebrity Big Brother → Celebrity Big Brother (UK) – This article is currently named Celebrity Big Brother. As of this point although there are many television shows named Celebrity Big Brother I do believe this one is more popular. However according to WP:NCTVUK it clearly states that "When there are two or more television productions of the same type and name" which is exactly the case. Therefore the UK part should have never removed in the first place. Also according to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Big_Brother#Naming_articles the article should include "(UK)". The name Celebrity Big Brother should either be a disambiguation page or an article similar to Big Brother (franchise). TheDoctorWho (talk) 13:04, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

• Support per nom. TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:24, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose as per Talk:Celebrity_Big_Brother#Requested_moves - Although there's a quite alot of Celebrity Big Brothers the UK version was started first and is the most known out of them, The pageviews confirm this - All are 1-31 Aug:

• Celeb UK 185,043 views,
• Celebrity Big Brother Australia 799 views,
• Celebrity Big Brother (Croatia) 35 views,
• Celebrity Big Brother (Finland) 68 views,
• Celebrity Big Brother (Indonesia) 19 views,

So by a long mile the UK version is the most known and as such there's no valid reason to move, In all fairness a good hundred could be people looking for other CBBs however judging by the poor views on the rest I assume this isn't the case, I've not included the disambiguation page because it was never added to the top - It probably should be added to the top tho, Anyway oppose. –Davey2010^Talk 13:31, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

• Support - In light of the massive page views for the US version below it does make sense to turn this into a disambiguation page, I didn't quite realise the amount of interest the US version would and has had so as per below it makes sense to move this. –Davey2010^Talk 22:08, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose due to the reasons stated above by Davey. If the CBB US becomes a regular thing then maybe the change could be considered again, but until then I think it should remain as just "Celebrity Big Brother" ThisIsDanny (talk) 18:09, 10 September 2017 (UTC) (See below)
• Support. Page hits arent a good way to go about this. People are likely to begin looking for information on the upcoming US version.. and it would be confusing to land here. It's also the celebrity version of the UK franchise which differs dramatically in type from the US and Canadian versions of Big Brother. Spanneraol (talk) 18:19, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Discussion between Dave, Spanneraol & TheDoctorWho

I agree they're not however the pageviews speak for themselves here, This page more or less has more pageviews because out of them all this is the most known and probably most notable one, I agree editors would come here looking for other ones but it's no different to editors going to Jazz to look for the character Jazz Curtis..... As I said the UK version is the most known one (and I would say this even if I wasn't British!), –Davey2010Talk 18:45, 10 September 2017 (UTC) Than Australia and Croatia sure.. but now that there is a US version, i think that changes pretty quickly. Spanneraol (talk) 18:47, 10 September 2017 (UTC) I'm sorry but when did we start throwing out wikipedia policy for page hits? I haven't checked but just for my example assume that US Big Brother gets more hits than UK Big Brother we don't remove the "U.S." portion from that article and keep the "UK" portion on this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheDoctorWho (talk • contribs) 18:55, 10 September 2017 (UTC) With all respect Doc you're American so ofcourse you're going to object, Anyway the disambiguation is now in the article so as I said unless by some miracle the US becomes more notable etc then this can easily be revisited in the next 5 years if desired. –Davey2010Talk 19:08, 10 September 2017 (UTC) If the US did become more notable and I guess more popular then I wouldn't object but for now atleast the UK version is more notable out of them all, But ofcourse that can easily change –Davey2010Talk 19:03, 10 September 2017 (UTC) Within moments of being announced anytime you searched Celebrity Big Brother on Google you returned hundreds of articles all about the upcoming series. The next morning googling Celebrity Big Brother on the U.S. Google returned very little to no information on the UK series! Of course Google is filterd by country so anyone using UK Google results may not have returned the same results. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheDoctorWho (talk • contribs) 19:10, 10 September 2017 (UTC) I guess what I'm saying is as of this point in the UK the UK version is more popular however since that version never aired in the U.S. the U.S. versiom is FAR more popular in the U.S. than the UK version. So one is more popular in the U.S. and one is more popular in the UK. Which makes it even and further more expresses my support for the move. TheDoctorWho (talk) 19:16, 10 September 2017 (UTC) The pageviews are from ToolsLab or whatever it's called not Google themsleves, I whole heartedly agree Google does base searches by country which makes things alot harder news-wise however that can easily be bypassed with US proxies etc, Anyway IMHO CBBUK at present is the most known obviously here and worldwide and I said if anything changes I'd be happy to visit this, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 19:31, 10 September 2017 (UTC) CBBUK may be more popular in the UK but as of right now living in America I can personally tell you that CBBUS is more popular here than CBBUK. And this may be true in other places as well for example in Austrailia CBBAUS may be more popular than CBBUS. Therefore I don't think you speak for worldwide. Most people in the U.S. probably dont even know CBBUK exist. I didn't until CBBUS was announced. TheDoctorWho (talk) 19:47, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

• Comment. I'm not exactly sure about the best possible title (Celebrity Big Brother (U.K.) or Celebrity Big Brother (U.K. TV series), etc), but seems we should be disambiguating between the various versions of the show, and Celebrity Big Brother should be turned into a disambiguation page. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:55, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

I don't care about the title I just suggested the one I did because it follows Wikipedia:WikiProject Big Brother and is what the naming making of these pages usually name after. However I agree this should either be turned into a disambiguation page or if enough information is available should be turned into an article similar to Big Brother (franchise). TheDoctorWho (talk) 20:02, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose, at least for now – it's pretty convincing that the UK version is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:44, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
• Comment I'd also like to bring this to attention in my case that just since being created a week ago Celebrity Big Brother (U.S.) has over 5000[7](it's from the same page you got all the other page stats from) views. The link I attached is just a time range between SEPTEMBER 7 and NOW. That bar graph speaks for itself. I personally expect that that number to go up in time!!!! Please check that link out I hope it influences someone's decision! TheDoctorWho (talk) 15:14, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
• Comment. It really is silly to consider ANY of these the "primary topic".. they are all about different series and should be named properly to avoid obvious confusion. Spanneraol (talk) 15:39, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
• Support per WP:NCTV since there are now two versions of the show with the exact same name. This page should be changed to a disambiguation page. Also it should be moved to Celebrity Big Brother (UK TV series) to follow the format used for the main series': Big Brother (U.S. TV series), Big Brother (UK TV series), etc. - Brojam (talk) 18:13, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

• Support This article is about the U.K. version of Celebrity Big Brother; to acknowledge this and the upcoming U.S. version in winter 2018, UK must be included in the title.--OfficerAPC (talk) 20:16, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
• move to Celebrity Big Brother (UK TV series) - per WP:NCTV guidelines on naming articles about shows (not seasons). Celebrity Big Brother should be a disambiguation page. Other articles covering versions in other countries should also be moved as necessary. -- Netoholic @ 20:21, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
• Support Pretty unambiguous on policy grounds per Wikipedia:WikiProject_Big_Brother#Naming_articles ("Main articles about Big Brother shows should be disambiguated as Big Brother (country TV series)") and WP:NCTVUK ("When there are two or more television productions of the same type and name, use one of the following methods...Prefix the country of broadcast"), both of which leave zero doubt this page should be renamed. AusLondonder (talk) 04:19, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
• Updated Comment Just as I suspected the number of page views on Celebrity Big Brother (U.S.) has raised from 5000 to OVER 7500[8] in TWO days. I'll update this one or two more times before the move request actually closes. Again I'm hoping this influences someone's decision to realize that the U.S. version is more popular in the U.S. than the UK version which is strengthening my support for this move. TheDoctorWho (talk) 01:54, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
• Support moving to Celebrity Big Brother (UK TV series) - per WP:NCTV. I agree, Celebrity Big Brother should definitely be a disambiguation page. Paintspot Infez (talk) 18:43, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
• Comment@Davey2010 and ThisIsDanny: you two were the ones that originally opposed due to the lack of page views on other Celebrity Big Brother articles. Does it change your opinion that Celebrity Big Brother (U.S.) has almost surpassed the UK version in the week that the U.S. page has been around (over 13,500 vs the UK page that has under 16,500[9]. And if not can you explain why? (I just want to hear all sides of the story) TheDoctorWho (talk) 21:59, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Comment I never said it was due to lack of views. Regardless of popularity, I was just going off the Australia, Croatia etc having just one series of CBB, and UK having 20. I said if USA became more of a regular thing, i.e more than one series then to reconsider the change. However after reading more above I Support the change, though it has nothing to do with how many page views it has. ThisIsDanny (talk) 09:12, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

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Celebrity Big Brother 2

In light of the recent page move I figure a lot of people who regular watch this page might want to join in on Talk:Celebrity_Big_Brother_2#Requested_move_19_September_2017. TheDoctorWho (talk) 00:34, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

CBB21

Sidebar needs to be added ChristmasCrackers (talk) 05:07, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

@ChristmasCrackers: What day is it in the house?? TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:33, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

@ChristmasCrackers:  Done Let me know if I made a mistake. TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:47, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Sidebar

Where it says

‘Celebrity Big Brother 21 (UK) Housemates’

Should it not just read ‘Celebrity Big Brother 21 Housemates ChristmasCrackers (talk) 04:06, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

@ChristmasCrackers: well it links to the article and the article has the 'UK' in it's name TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:13, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2018

Maggie and Rachel have been evicted from the house. They need to be placed underneath the "Out of House" section from the "Current Series" section. Maxakerley (talk) 04:08, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Done TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:12, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Naming of various Big Brother articles

Hi! I started a discussion over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Big Brother about aligning all the various versions and seasons of Big Brother (franchise) with the guidelines of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (television). I created a table showing all the different various naming conventions currently in use and recommended article names based on my understanding of WP:NCTV. I'm posting this notice to all applicable areas for a broad discussion. Thank You! ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 20:26, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 April 23#Template:Big Brother sidebar

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