Talk:Cherry on Top (Bini song)

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 00:04, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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Bini at Billboard Korea's K POWER 100 event

• ... that the music video of Cherry on Top reached over 2 million views within 24 hours and hit number one on YouTube Philippines for music and iTunes chart?

• Source: ABS-CBN News

• ALT1: ... that Cherry on Top was featured on the halftime show of NBA by the Clippers Spirit, the official dance team of Los Angeles Clippers? Source: ABS-CBN News
• ALT2: ... that the Filipino girl group Bini (pictured) was the first P-pop group to perform Cherry on Top at KCON music festival? Source: The Manila Times
• Reviewed:

Improved to Good Article status by Royiswariii (talk) and AstrooKai (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Royiswariii Talk! 03:14, 1 December 2024 (UTC).

• Drive-by Comment

Cheers for the DYK and GAN! By WP:DYKPBR, the song being featured on the NBA should be in the article if we choose (ALT1). I can't choose and make a review among the three since I was the GA reviewer for this article. RFNirmala (talk) 04:48, 1 December 2024 (UTC).

• I'll take a look at this one. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 06:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

General eligibility:

• New enough:
• Long enough:
• Other problems:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Looks good to me. Newly minted GA, and the DYK was timely filed. Earwig comes back clean, and the only real thing that stood out as a potential red flag was the WP:BROADWAYWORLD sources, but I don't think the article relies on any of them alone for any particular fact. Alt2 seems uninteresting (it is entirely expected that the group who wrote the song was the first one to perform it at a particular festival), while the Alt0 and Alt1 hook seem workable. There is a small mistake in Alt1 (The Clippers Spirit, a official dance team... should be the Clippers Spirit, the official dance team..., since the official name is "Clippers Spirit" and it's the official dance team), but I don't think that's a reason to hold this up, since that can be trivially fixed prior to promotion and after you read this comment. I'm inclined to go with Alt1 here after the fix is made, in line with the nominator's request. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 06:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Hey Red! Thanks for looking at this DYK nom. I noticed your feedback for Alt2. Yes, an artist or a group is expected to perform their new song at a festival. However, the KCON festival is different from ordinary festivals. KCON is regarded as the world's largest convention and music festival for K-pop culture,[1] which features performances from various K-pop acts. Bini, on the other hand, is a Filipino group, and their performance in KCON was actually regarded by many sources as a historic milestone for the entire Philippine pop music community since they were the first Filipino act to ever perform in such a big festival as KCON (which is mainly for K-pop culture).[2][3]AstrooKai (Talk) 09:48, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Red-tailed hawk, I don't think that need to change the section of Critical Reception because Gabriel Saulog of Billboard Philippines is giving a reaction on the song of Cherry on Top as well as to Hans Carbonilla of Philippine Daily Inquirer. Royiswariii Talk! 10:24, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Well, if it ain't in the article, we can't use Alt1. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 17:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

@AstrooKai: The way you've phrased it, and the way the article has it Later that month, on July 27, Bini performed the song at KCON 2024 in Los Angeles, which marked the first act by a Filipino pop group at the event seems more interesting; the way that the current alt was phrased isn't. Therefore, I'll propose Alt4:

... that Bini performed "Cherry on Top" at KCON 2024, marking the first act by a Filipino pop group at the event?

— Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 17:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

That is perfectly okay to me. What do you think, Royiswariii? AstrooKai (Talk) 17:19, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

It's looks goods to me. Royiswariii Talk! 23:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Red-tailed hawk!

• (The Clippers Spirit, a official dance team... should be the Clippers Spirit, the official dance team..., since the official name is "Clippers Spirit" and it's the official dance team)
•  Done Royiswariii Talk! 07:24, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Actually, @Royiswariii: Can you add reference to the dance team to the article? The cited fact has to be in the article; it is for Alt0, but I had forgot to check that for Alt1 until now. We can't run this if the hook fact isn't in the article. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 07:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Red-tailed hawk, what section should I add the featured halftime show? Royiswariii Talk! 07:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Maybe change "critical reception" to "reception" and then add it there? It's not super simple to fit in based on current sectioning, but if you had a section that included both critics and general popular reception it would fit right in. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 08:23, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

FA Collaboration

Hello, Bloomagiliw, AstrooKai, Borgenland, RFNirmala! I need your help for promoting featured article which is in discussion now, Some comments like I don't understand what they're saying, but, i said to the nom that I am open for all criticism and suggestions to promote in FA. If you are not busy, you can check the discussion here. I appreciate your efforts and contributions here, thanks! Royiswariii Talk! 11:03, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Roi! Thanks for putting this article up to FA nomination. I understand that you're having hard time understanding their recommendations. I have read their feedback so let me know if there's specific feedback by them that you don't understand, I will be happy to help.

Though I may only be able to help from time to time, since I am preparing for our research paper defense. But I will check Wikipedia occasionally, so feel free to drop your questions, I will try my best to reply them in a timely manner. AstrooKai (Talk) 11:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I understand that you gave a research paper defense, we just finished our research paper defense earlier too. I understand some of their suggestions but it was unclear or not specifically what should need to be change. Royiswariii Talk! 11:23, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

That's okay. I see you have already addressed SchroCat's suggestions regarding the footnotes for the Filipino terms in the music video section, which I also copyedited earlier. For the "MOS blimps", they're probably referring to some inconsistencies with styling in the article, or some MOS violations. I suggest waiting for them to reply.

As for Heartfox's suggestions, I will elaborate them below (I will only include those that has not been addressed yet):

• "and its lyrical theme includes confidence" → suggest converting this to a separate sentence and expanding on it. a "lyrical theme" is something, it doesn't really "include" something

They're basically saying that this part in the lead section should be a sentence of its own and be elaborated or expanded further from there.

• "with Bini members Colet and Maloi participating in the songwriting process" → this is confusing as we are previously told it was "Written by Boy Matthews and Gaby Ramirez". participation but not credited?

They're seeking clarification regarding this, since the two Bini members are not in the credits of the song. I think this is because of the fact that you said it as participating in the songwriting process. I haven't noticed this when I posted my reply, but I have now. Colet and Maloi weren't involved in the literal "songwriting" process, but rather on the creative process only. Meaning they only participated in the initial brainstorming of the song, such as its tunes, but they did not participated in writing its lyrics (which is songwriting).

• "The song topped the iTunes Philippines Top Songs chart and became the top trending music video on YouTube, garnering two million views in less than 24 hours after its release." → Per WP:SINGLEVENDOR, we generally don't care about iTunes, especially as this song entered main Billboard charts for Philippines anyways. Ditto "culminating in topping Spotify's Daily Top Songs chart".

They want any information about the song's performance on iTunes and Spotify charts to be removed since they are generally unsuitable for inclusion per WP:SINGLEVENDOR, especially in the song's case since it already charted in Billboard Philippines, which has more weight than the iTunes and Spotify charts.

• "On November 17, 2023, Bini released" → we need to pretend readers are starting the article at the body, as the lead summarizes rather than introduces. Right now there is no description of what Bini is like there is in the lead.

They basically want the Background section (if not the lead section) to begin with some detail about who Bini is, since there's no context about who Bini is in the article. Though this is new to me since Gento (song) by SB19, which is currently FA-rated, doesn't have this kind of practice in the article. I suggest you bringing this up to them and wait for their feedback.

• I find the background section lacking as it mostly focuses on past commercial successes rather than including a sense of artistry, vision, personal life, recording career, etc.

Same as the above—context about who Bini is.

• The music video section generally doesn't come after the composition section.

The section should be placed further lower in the article, probably under Promotion and release. This is basically a matter of WP:DUE and/or WP:BALANCE, where its placement on the article relative to the top is based on its significance or weight related to the song (i.e., things that is not that "important" is placed lower in the article).

AstrooKai (Talk) 12:38, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

• The music video section generally doesn't come after the composition section.

Does it mean need to merge to the music video section to Promotion and release?

• They want any information about the song's performance on iTunes and Spotify charts to be removed since they are generally unsuitable for inclusion per WP:SINGLEVENDOR, especially in the song's case since it already charted in Billboard Philippines, which has more weight than the iTunes and Spotify charts.

This is noted. But, what should we add/change? The music video and accolades? Royiswariii Talk! 12:59, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Does it mean need to merge to the music video section to Promotion and release?

No, just move the music video below the Promotion and release.

This is noted. But, what should we add/change? The music video and accolades?

Just remove the details about Spotify performances for now. There's nothing new to be added yet since the song has not commercially performed new recently (besides Spotify and iTunes).

AstrooKai (Talk) 13:23, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

• No, just move the music video below the Promotion and release.

 Done

• Just remove the details about Spotify performances for now. There's nothing new to be added yet since the song has not commercially performed new recently (besides Spotify and iTunes).

 Done you can check it if the grammar is correct. Royiswariii Talk! 14:21, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Just did a quick small tweak, looks good overall. AstrooKai (Talk) 16:12, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

I'll try to help. I've seen their suggestions na. Busy rin sa acads but malapit na Christmas break namin, so... I'll probs work on that soon. Bloomagiliw (talk) 12:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

It's okay, if you are not busy and you have a free time, feel free to contribute! Royiswariii Talk! 12:48, 12 December 2024 (UTC)