Talk:Chibi (style)

This article is full of nonsense

"short person" or "small person" That is not what the word means. According to the japanese wikipedia page, "chibi" is a word that describes something of small height. It also refers to a person of small height.

Chicchanabito Absolutely not sure about the euphonic changes from hito to bito when following a na. ChicchanaHito does sound more natural to me. (more on the topic here)

Origin of the term It actually comes from the verb 禿びる (chibiru), which means "to wear out and become shorter" (for the tip of something). (Source). This also explains why the word is used without any adjective form (i/na). The verb "becoming smaller/shorter" turned into a word describing small things/people.

小人 This reads "kobito" and means a dwarf/midget/pygmy/child. I don't think I ever saw chibi spelled with these kanji (might definitely happen as ateji in litteray texts, manga etc.).

Initial use of 'chibi'

The initial use of 'chibi', chibi proportional style, in recent art history has yet to be documented. If anyone knows the history and origins, please help to fill in the gaps.

Currently there is a chicken and egg question concerning the origins of chibi stylization: Were Japanese video games (notably RPG genre titles) of the early 90's responsible, at least in part, for the popularization of the proportional deformation, or was it a wholly print media related phenomenon? The arguement stems on the fact that technological limitations made the creation of chibi/iconic character representations in video games necessary because of the finite nature of pixels. Along with overcoming this limitation, (new?) styles began to take form in the pixel arts and the question of the origins of chibi have risen.

Understandably, the use of comical proportions similar to chibi are not a totally new occurance of recent times, however the particular strain of large eyed and stubbed legged caricaturizations is assumably a contemporary trend.

--216.158.164.72

The initial use of 'chibi'

It seems you are confusing chibi with superdeformed. Chibi is a more childlike version without the extreme proportions, whereas superdeformed has that more shrunken down look and usually doesn't look childlike.

The style you talk about in RPG titles in the earlie 90s is actually superdeformed and not chibi; this was done because of the hardware limitations at the time.

I don't really know much about it in print media.

Sorry if my English is not that good.

--141.76.1.122

I had no problems reading your English. Are you referring to the word "chibi" used in Japanese, or in English? Because loanwords tend to evolve into separate words. For example, the word "mail" in Japanese refers specifically to e-mail. The word "soy," while originally a single word, now means "soy bean" in English and "soy sauce" in Japanese. We should describe words as they are, rather than what one thinks how the words should mean. I was under the impression that "chibi" means "super-deformed" in English. In any case I thik it's hard to state what a new slang term does not mean.

--Tokek 09:37, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Request example images

Can't be that hard to find examples with acceptable copyright terms.

hey, I think I have a better image: http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11425178697474eb.jpg
it's Chibi Caster.

Unrelated link

The 'Battle Of Chibi' in 'See also' is unrelated to this article.

Rewrite

This article is trash, and not only being incredibly vague and unsourced on the fact of being a "manga" term or not, it also gives absolutely no information on the actual real word itself. Close to an AfD here.  freshgavinΓΛĿЌ  02:29, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure if it needs to be trashed, but there does need to be more information. From my understanding, the usage of Chibi, both as a name and a form of drawing, has been around much longer than Sailormoon has been. For example, in the original version of Voltron, the character we know as Pidge is constantly refered to as "Chibi", mostly because he is the youngest and shortest of the group. I can't say much about other anime and manga before then, because my knowledge is limited. LissaChicka 06:15, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

This article is not much use to anyone not already fairly familiar with anime.

Definitely agree. I added the correct origin of the term (ie. absolutely nothing to do with manga/anime). Someone also said that there is a confusion between SD (super deformed characters) and "chibi", which is a more generic term used for a lot of things. Remka2000 (talk) 07:11, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Agreed. Equating "chibi" with "super deformed" is based on super ignorance, and needs to be removed.

There term deforume (デフォルメ, French: deformer) in manga has been around for a long time.

The term doesn't apply to a "deformed" person or animal (as the average English-speakers may tripped up into thinking). It is a style of drawing any subject using non-realistic/exaggerated proportions or lines/curves. And it is not restricted to diminutive representations.

Portraits by Al Hirschfeld would be described as deformer in Japan, but there is no such English word, so people here would just say "caricatured"--Kiyoweap (talk) 15:42, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

The Description of the page is ad!

Why the description of the page is the description of one of the external links? Isn't that spam?

Chibi Boards

Why are the chibi boards on this entry, I couldn't really find much on chibis there, it's barely a reliable source!

Mr. Briggs Inc.

We had a disgruntled member or something spam our board link out in an attempt to flood us with people that would cause us problem. We regret and are sorry that this happened. 216.205.211.188

Pronounciation

There is nothing backing up the pronounciation or even listing the alternate pronounciation (chib-ee). If no one makes any changes I will. Timekeeper 20:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC) It's Japanese... there is no alternate pronunciation. It's "cheebee" in English.

Deletion

If you're going to insist on nominating this for deletion (a really stupid idea - you'll lose), follow proper proceedures as outlined in WP:AfD. Snarfies 18:33, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Using the {{prod}} tag is part of the proper AFD procedures when it's believed that the deletion will not be contested. But since you are contesting the articles deletion, the next stage is to got to WP:AFD proper for a full debate. --Farix (Talk) 19:16, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Wow

This page is looking a lot better. Good job! ~ JohnnyMrNinja 22:16, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Definition of the word

Chibi is a widely used slangy noun in Japan. The definision is

1. a short and small person.
2. a peewee, a tiny/wee tot.

Examples: うちのちび My little boy/kid. ちびというあだ名の少年 a boy nicknamed 'Shorty'. The word is used as a dog/cat's name. The pronunciation of chi is as in Wichita and bi is, not bee, but as in bambi or bibbidi Babbidi Boo. Oda Mari (talk) 06:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Comment to deletion by Oda Mari

History of the deletion http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chibi_%28term%29&diff=570426825&oldid=570373447

The usage is too obvious to site any basis. It is common not to describe something regarding discrimination as a formal documentation as some discriminating words are often deleted from some major sites.

http://kotobank.jp/word/%E3%81%A1%E3%81%B3 2. 年少者。子供。軽んじたり，かわいらしいという気持ちをこめて用いる。 「生意気な－め」 This site shows the meaning similar to the deleted part, but still feels intention to also deleting the meaning of the straight usage for discrimination. 軽んじる meaning "look down on" has relationship with Confucianism(儒教), which has the characteristic thought that younger people should show respect to elder people. This led contrarily elder people look down on younger people in all generations. This is why usually used for children or pets. If you doubt, just try to test it. It's easy. Just call a Japanese friend "Chibi" with non respective voice. Of course, there are the meaning of small and pretty as described but depends on the situation or context. It'll be difficult for foreigners. にょろん (talk) 17:46, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Your addition did not have any RS. The term "often" has discriminating or insulting sense in Japan? The linked page does not say so. Please provide RS first. And I've never heard that the term had anything to do with Confucianism. I'd like to see RS about it. Oda Mari (talk) 17:27, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Link to Chibi-Robo!

I'm not a manga reader but I landed here looking for the meaning of Chibi-Robo! which is a series of Nintendo video games.
Maybe it could be mentioned after Chibiusa and then the meaning of chibi from Chibi-Robo! could link back to this entry? Bergamote (talk) 21:58, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Reference dump

Super deformed

The following are references that were used in the now merged article (Super deformed):

References

These were all used to source:

"Super deformed, or SD, is a specific style of Japanese caricature"

These sources may be useful when gone through. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:03, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Q-version

The following sources were used in external links in the article "Q-version":

• Q-version grade-school Chinese language textbook, online text from Sina.com https://web.archive.org/web/20071201184212/http://book.sina.com.cn:80/nzt/1094527462_qyuwen/index.shtml
• Q-version Ming Dynasty costumes, created by graphics artists on a Ming Dynasty costumes forum https://web.archive.org/web/20090911154257/http://www.ming-yiguan.com:80/viewthread.php?tid=1896
• Characters from Wulin Waizhuan, a popular Chinese Kungfu video game, all rendered in a typical Q-version anime style https://web.archive.org/web/20080309095424/http://www1.jjtang.com:80/blog/blog-htm-do-showone-itemid-82241-type-blog.html
• Mark Rowswell, also known as Dashan, in his Q-version form http://www.sc.xinhua.org/content/2004-11/05/content_3463590.htm
• Beijing Opera characters, Q-version https://web.archive.org/web/20080421061900/http://culture.qianlong.com:80/6931/2006/08/21/53@3377547.htm
• Characters from the classical fantasy romance Journey to the West, rendered in abstract, stylistic Q-version style http://bbs.chahua.org/read.php?tid=45843

Since the article was fully unsourced I just made it a redirect to this one, again going through these sources might add info to the article. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:12, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Chibi vs Super Deformed revisited

I know this debate raged on a few years back, but I just wanted to throw in another perspective. My interpretation has always been that labeling something "SD" (or super deformed) is more about the disproportionately-sized head-to-body ratio. Whereas, "chibi" means small, chubby, and child-like. The two are very often connected and used interchangeably, but that doesn't mean it's entirely correct. Take a look at the toyline for manga/anime series Kinnikuman... There have been many sets of rubber kinkeshi ("Kin" for Kinnikuman, "keshi" short for "keshigomu" meaning eraser), including two distinct sets of SD kinkeshi AND Chibi kinkeshi.

Here's a link to a Brief Guide to Kinkeshi Types on LittleRubberGuys.com. There, you can see the difference between SD and Chibi kinkeshi.

Now I don't know when the chibi vs SD conversation became a point of contention, but I can say that the SD Kinkeshi came out as far back as 1987 with that name. I'm not entirely sure on the release date of the Chibi Kinkeshi line, but it very likely was around the same time. At least, in this instance, there is a distinct, recognizable difference between the two terms. So take that for what it's worth... Thanks for reading! Dahumorist (talk) 00:30, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

should we mention chibi robo?

chibi robo and chibi robo zip lash

Requested move 6 December 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: There is consensus for the first move, but not the second one. Since there is no consensus whether there is a primary topic, I will move the dab page to Chibi. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 05:32, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

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• Chibi → Chibi, Hubei
• Chibi (slang) → Chibi

– The Japanese term is the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.

The non-personalized Google search suggested by WP:DPT ([1]) only returns results about the Japanese term, for as many pages as I tell. The Google Books results ([2]) seem to bear this out as well. Chibi (slang) gets about x10 the pageviews of Chibi ([[3]]), and I suspect many of the viewers of the Hubei city article meant to come to the article about the slang. — Goszei (talk) 23:04, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support 1st, Neutral (weak oppose) 2nd. I 100% support moving the city's page, but primary topic swaps are often tricky and sometimes cause problems: so my first inclination would be to have the disambiguation page at the basename for now. Paintspot Infez (talk) 01:05, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support 1st, neutral on 2nd per Paintspot. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:18, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support 1st, neutral 2nd per above.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:30, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support 1st, oppose 2nd per Paintspot; move Chibi (disambiguation) to baseline. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:37, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support both. The slang word is the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC per this breakdown. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:47, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

@Knowledgekid87: with respect, like the nom you're an anime editor, nothing wrong with that, but how do the undoubted large page views for any anime article affect the 2nd criteria of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC? (where books show the town as more significant). If we follow page views then wikipedia will become entertainment blog not an encyclopaedia. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:37, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

@In ictu oculi: Is there evidence that books show the town as more significant? I can't find a single one about the city on Google Books by searching "chibi" (link included in nom).

I also produced an Ngram ([4]), and there is an enormous increase in usage of the term "chibi" around 2000, when anime picked up popularity in the West; this rise is much, much larger than the previous occurrence of the term in English-language books. Based on this evidence, it seems to me that the term "chibi" has supplanted the city as the PRIMARYTOPIC, even with long-term significance in mind. — Goszei (talk) 20:06, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Are you conducting a GBook search while logged into gmail? because Google will pick up your preferences. If you log out, clear cookies and search again you should see "Battle" "Cao Cao" "film" "China" "Hubei" appearing alongside Chibi in your Gbook results. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:18, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

@In ictu oculi: I conducted the search in Chrome's Incognito mode (so not logged in, and no cookies). The first result about the Battle of Red Cliffs is still on page 14 of the Google Books results (using the search term "chibi"). — Goszei (talk) 04:06, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

I stand by my neutral for the 2nd given the links problem. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:23, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support both Per nom. Pageviews absolutely show that the slang term is the primary topic, especially when factoring in any incidental hits for the city._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 06:14, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

We don't even need to check Pageviews for an anime topic. Any anime topic will overwhelm any topic in mankind's history on Pageviews. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:21, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose the 2nd, instead move Chibi (disambiguation) to the base name -- 67.70.26.89 (talk) 21:18, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support both per the pageviews and primary topic argument. In English, that usage of "chibi" clearly predominates. SnowFire (talk) 03:58, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Chibi

A chi i is a deformed anime character 2601:681:4580:2C10:4562:4186:5CD6:6A45 (talk) 02:09, 28 January 2023 (UTC)