Talk:Degtyaryov machine gun

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Move proposal

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The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) 12:29, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

DP-28→Degtyarev light machine gun — the full general name for this article about models DP, DPM, DA, DT, and RP-46.

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• Support this is my request. —Michael Z. 2006-02-16 19:25 Z
• Support we should mention this naming "issue" in new article too. --194.100.206.95 10:43, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
• Support It is best to change it to Degtyarev light machine gun. --84.25.210.235 14:00, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
• Support Oberiko 15:45, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

In the USSR it was known exclusively as DP or DP-27! (DP obrazca 1927 goda). From where DP-28 came from?... Pibwl 22:24, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes, DP-27 seems to be more commonly used name than DP-28. Really confusing. What's the origin of DP-28? Any actual Russian references to it? --194.100.206.95 20:22, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Any thoughts about naming issue? Two of three current links in article call it DP-27 instead of DP-28. --194.100.206.95 15:55, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

From a look at the external links, it looks like just DP machine gun, or to expand the name Degtyarev Infantry machine gun, would be suitable titles for this article (I'm no expert: someone please confirm or deny). Since this article also covers the DT, DA, DPM and RP-46, perhaps we should move it to a more general name like Degtyarev machine gun. —Michael Z. 2006-02-16 16:12 Z

1928 was the year that the Soviet Army adopted the weapon and it is identified as such in The Encyclopedia of Weapons of World War II on page 248. That said, I agree with Mzajac as Degtyarev light machine gun seems to be the easiest way to identify this weapon and all its variants. Oberiko 19:00, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, light machine gun helps differentiate this from the heavy DK (Degtyarëv Krupnokalibernyy). I'll post a move request to Degtyarev light machine gun. —Michael Z. 2006-02-16 19:18 Z

Good idea. Nice thinking with DK! --194.100.206.95 10:43, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Some google searches:

• DP "machine gun" -wikipedia—86,700 results
• DP-28 "machine gun" -wikipedia—42,100 results
• DP-27 "machine gun" -wikipedia—273 results

Substitute "light machine gun", and the numbers go down to 1,420/251/114, still helping support this page move. Does anyone have any authoritative book references? —Michael Z. 2006-02-16 20:21 Z

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Tank guns

Why doesn't it say anything about this gun's use in Soviet tanks? And the fact that the DT tank models all apparently used twin-row magazines, and other modifications. It specifically says in the article that they only used single-row pans, which is obviously not true of tank guns. AnnaGoFast (talk) 19:30, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

General purpose machine gun.

The page lists the gun as a light machine gun, but this is in contradiction to the definition of a light machine as stated on the light machine gun wikipedia page. The gun should be listed as a General-purpose machine gun. The definition used on that page does match the DP-28 77.165.248.153 (talk) 15:22, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

It was just used in the light role, it neither had a heavy tripod mound for the medium role nor belt feeding. --Denniss (talk) 16:48, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2023

add a link to World War 2 fighter aircraft in the DA machine gun section, placing a link in place of the word "aircraft". Link is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighter_aircraft#World_War_II Kord6P67 (talk) 04:04, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Not quite sure of the reasoning behind this and how it would help the article. Seems like it should link to a specific aircraft, not just to Fighter aircraft. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 23:46, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

What?

"Typical of light machine guns of the era, the 47-round magazines made sustained fire impossible. In contrast, the German MG-34/MG-42 were continuous belt-fed general-purpose machine guns and provided a sustained fire capability the DP series could not match."

The drum magazine had nothing to do with that. You can't fire an MG42 nonstop either, and the only thing that allows it to fire in a more sustained manner in that you can swap the barrel out. No one is dumping nonstop ammo though an MG42 like it's a water cooled Vickers gun. You stop to cool down between bursts, which is the same interval they would reload drums in with a DT. Even in the most heavy sustained fire, you would be swapping barrels between belts, but with the extremely high rate of fire, you would be stopping to swap barrels just as often as DT gunners swapping magazines. You would lay down more fire (for what is worth and assuming you can keep up the ammo supply), but that's a different metric. The MG42 can keep doing this for longer, but that's only because the barrel swap, not because it is belt fed and the DT isn't. Idumea47b (talk) 14:36, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

That whole paragraph is unreferenced. I've removed the part you've pointed out. The other statements need citations too. MartinezMD (talk) 21:48, 11 November 2023 (UTC)