Talk:Development of the DC Extended Universe

Citation Style

@InfiniteNexus: With all respect to WP:CITEVAR, I do believe this article would benefit from using list-defined references as to make the source editing more clear and easier to read for editors. Sure, there is no need to do, though it is rather clunky to navigate, even with citation color indicators applied. My changes were done with WP:GOODFAITH, and while I understand you conceived this article's contents, these changes would prove helpful to manage the contents for others. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:26, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree. It's the way it's been for the DCEU and the MCU, articles all of us edit constantly. —El Millo (talk) 01:40, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

I definitely see where you're coming from, and while I realize this is the norm on MCU articles (note that the vast majority of DCEU articles do not use LDRs), I'm afraid I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. LDRs would make sense on, say, MCU articles, where many references are use more than once. This is not the case on this article, where only 11 out of the 254 refs are reused. I've always had a personal dislike for LDRs, as I find it a nuisance to have to edit the whole page (or edit twice) when adding or copying references. That said, if there is consensus to switch to LDRs obviously I will abide it. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:51, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

To clarify, Trail, of course I recognize your change was made in good fatih, and like I said, I'm open to switching if that is the community's desire. Hope I didn't come across as OWN-y or anything, I just wanted to make sure we do things in accordance with policy (CITEVAR). InfiniteNexus (talk) 07:01, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

I get that it can be uncomfortable. If it helps you, what I often do, when I'm working in a particular section, is that I have two tabs open, one with the specific section I'm editing and another with the References section, then I'll publish the Refs section first so that the ref aren't completely absent and then the section I was working on. On the other hand, keeping the references –especially with articles that have this many– inline makes paragraphs practically impossible to read. When there's two refs or more in a row, it becomes difficult to find where one ends and the next one begins, even with all the different colors. I honestly think it should be a standard, at least in prose-heavy sections, to use LDRs in Wikipedia articles, and that the trouble of editing pages two times is worth it if the prose can be read comfortably. Using LDRs makes the text while editing look more like what the actual text in the published article looks like, with refs only taking a tiny amount of space between sentences. With all that in mind, and given we've all got used to editing with LDRs for MCU and DC-related articles, I think it's best to keep that going here. —El Millo (talk) 07:22, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

I for one have been fond of LDRs as they do ensure the text of the body is more clear to read. I've found it helpful to navigate these refs by using a find and replace extension if you are looking specifically for a particular ref. I do have an option for two monitors at times, and even without it, I move the refs I'm working on to another tab before moving that list to the article in question, though I typically prefer to publish my edits all together as one. I know this is not standard for some, although I believe it is quite helpful in aiding a concise and clean editing environment, and to be especially freeing and open for newer or less experienced editors who may see the clunky text and ref boxes together as off-putting. I must say, I am not familiar with why several DCEU articles do not use LDRs and some, such as Man of Steel, The Suicide Squad, and Peacemaker, do use LDR. Granted, there is no DCEU taskforce, although it is worth noting that there should be some consistency among these articles. The DC Universe (franchise) article and its drafts all use LDR, as well. Trailblazer101 (talk) 14:49, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

All right. I still think LDRs are somewhat troublesome when it comes to editing, but I guess they do make the text cleaner and easier to read. I'll restore the change. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:35, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Cheers! And no worries, I understanding they can be a bit pesky to deal with it. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:01, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, InfiniteNexus! Give that method I talked about a try (if you haven't already of course), it really does make it easier than editing the whole page at once or editing two times in a row instead of at the same time. —El Millo (talk) 07:20, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I'll be sure to give it a try. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:06, 4 March 2023 (UTC)