Talk:En homme

Merger proposal

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To merge En homme and En femme to Cross-dressing#Terminology on the grounds of WP:Notability, WP:NOTDICT and for context and short text. Klbrain (talk) 10:17, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

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Maybe we should merge En homme and En femme? Both articles are very old here and need a lot of fixes, but I'd start with it. Cidertail (talk) 09:44, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support – A merger seems appropriate. Somewhat unrelatedly, the articles also feel outdated: are these phrases still used? ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:59, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose and transwikify to Wiktionary. These two articles, merged or not, will never expand beyond a stub; and that is a sign that either they should be merged into a third article, such as crossdressing, or transwikified to a project that deals in definitions of words, such as Wiktionary. Even merged, WP:PAGEDECIDE does not support the merged result as a standalone article. Mathglot (talk) 10:18, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

• Agree, though I can't figure out how to research this subject as an encyclopedic subject in the first place. Maybe if sources are there..? ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 14:03, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Discussion

This article has no sources, and the topic is not notable. There is no significant coverage in reliable sources of the term itself, other than use of the term in running text, or brief, passing mentions of the term. It's unusual to have an article about a term in Wikipedia, but they do exist: examples are the articles for the terms LGBT and TERF. Each of these articles is about a word, and in each article, there is plenty of discussion about the history of the term, and what it means, and how it is used, and who uses it, and how the meaning of the term has evolved over time, and the social impact it has, in books, magazines, newspapers, and academic articles, with plenty of reliable sources about the term itself. There are no books that talk about the term en homme, whereas there are plenty that talk about the term LGBT. In academic sources, results are similar: plenty of results for LGBT, and nothing for en homme.

Merged or not, it is very unlikely that either of these two articles would survive being taken to WP:Afd, due to the lack of WP:Notability. There are really only two possibilities for saving the content currently in these two articles:

• transwikify it to Wiktionary, into the existing articles en homme and en femme.
• merge the content into some other Wikipedia article, most likely the § Terminology section of Crossdressing.

An alternative might be to create a new list article containing a glossary of terms used in cross-dressing, and add the terms there; but it would have to have more than just those two terms in order to be able to stand as a list article. Conceivably, it could be merged into LGBT slang, although the terms are not really slang, so another editor might remove them from that article. The easiest solution is one of the two listed above. Mathglot (talk) 20:36, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Would en homme be like boymoding? Xdtp (talk) 17:49, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

They are very different registers, etymologies, and length of use, but otherwise are similar in meaning. Mathglot (talk) 00:53, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 10:20, 16 September 2023 (UTC)