Talk:Günther von Kluge/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ed! (talk · contribs) 00:45, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Looking at this one. —Ed!^(talk) 00:45, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria) (see here for this contributor's history of GA reviews)

1. It is reasonably well written:

   • Take a look at the duplicate links tool, there are quite a few redundant blue links in the article if you could address them.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable:

   Pass Offline references accepted in good faith. Cursory check of Google Books shows references that back up source material here.

   • Getting Harv errors for refs 67,74, 75.

• Fixed.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 00:24, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

1. It is broad in its coverage:

   Not Yet

   • " Kluge was one of two children, having a younger brother named Wolfgang von Kluge (born 1892).[1]" -- I note there's an article for the brother, who was also a military officer. Any chance for adding that he became a general too, and what his major command was?

• Expanded to include rank and his major command.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 00:24, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

1. • "On 1 April 1934, Kluge–promoted to Lieutenant General–took command of the 6th Division in Münster." -- Any word on how he went from Captain to Lieutenant General? Likely a number of promotions and assignments that didn't make the history books, but maybe it would be good to add a note that explains this sudden jump in rank.

• Elaborated on years of promotions.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 00:24, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

1. • "As much as he derided Nazism,..." -- Should be cited just for the fact this graph indicates he was a critic of Hitler privately but doesn't indicate he also didn't like the Nazi party, of which he was undoubtedly a member.

• Changed the wording.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 00:24, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

1. • World War II section: "Kluge's 4th Army was assigned to Army Group North under Fedor von Bock.[4] " -- How large a command was this at the time?

• The source does not give an estimate but I will look into it further if it is a deal-breaker.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 00:24, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

1. • "For his conduct in the early stages of the invasion, Kluge earned Hitler's praise as one of his most brilliant commanders.[4]" Any word on what maneuvers specifically earned this praise?

• Elaborated on this.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 00:24, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

1. • "On 29 June, Kluge ordered that women in uniform were to be shot; the order was later rescinded.[" -- A note might be good here too explaining why such a harsh order.
   • "Kluge threatened harsh measures towards those responsible, along with the superior commanders who failed to maintain discipline.[22]" --- Was this effective?
   • "On 27 October 1943, Kluge was badly injured in a car accident. He was unable to return to duty until July 1944.[56]" -- Who replaced him in the command?
   • "primarily due to Allied superiority," -- air superiority? Supply/equipment/armor superiority?

• Elaborated on this.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 00:24, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

1. It follows the neutral point of view policy:

   Pass No problems there

2. It is stable:

   Pass No problems there.

3. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate:

   Six images tagged PD or CC licensing where appropriate.

4. Other: Dab links and external links tools show no problems. Copyvio tool shows green.

   On Hold Pending a few fixes. —Ed!^(talk) 02:52, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Comments

• *Take a look at the duplicate links tool, there are quite a few redundant blue links in the article if you could address them.

I reduced the dup links some; the rest seem okay. It's a long article so some repetition is okay. For example, Rundstedt is linked in the Battle of France section (1940) and then in the Western Front (1944). Also, the tool seems to treat the links that appear in the lead / infobox / body as duplicate, which increases the appearance of dup links. For example, Trescow appears twice in the article (once in the lead & once in the body), and the tool treats the second one as duplicated. --K.e.coffman (talk) 01:22, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

• "As much as he derided Nazism,..." -- Should be cited just for the fact this graph indicates he was a critic of Hitler privately but doesn't indicate he also didn't like the Nazi party, of which he was undoubtedly a member.

Kluge was not a party member, AFAIK. Under Wehrmacht regulations, officers were not supposed to join any party while in active service. This was more or less upheld until after the 20 July plot, after which officers were encouraged to join. I don't believe that any of the high-ranking commanders being members. --K.e.coffman (talk) 23:47, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

• "On 29 June, Kluge ordered that women in uniform were to be shot; the order was later rescinded." -- A note might be good here too explaining why such a harsh order.

Expanded. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:47, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

• "Kluge threatened harsh measures towards those responsible, along with the superior commanders who failed to maintain discipline.[22]" --- Was this effective?

The source does not say. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:47, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

• "On 27 October 1943, Kluge was badly injured in a car accident. He was unable to return to duty until July 1944.[56]" -- Who replaced him in the command?

Added. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:47, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

OK. So taking a look at the page after both users' comments, they have addressed all of my major concerns, and as for any other questions I had, none really by itself is a reason to hold up the GAR. As such, going to Pass the GAN. Well done! —Ed!^(talk) 22:59, 18 January 2019 (UTC)