Talk:George Floyd protests in California

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things needed!

This article needs a better lede summarizing events, a broken out section for major cities (SF, Sac, LA) and updates on protests that have happened after June 1, along with details on curfews and state response. -- phoebe / (talk to me) 17:08, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Intersection

University Heights: June 6: About 100 people protested at Texas Street and Adams Avenue. - The article does not give more detail, but this is problematic, because Adams Avenue is a bridge making an overpass of Texas Street which heads down into Mission Valley. So, there were either protesters under the bridge in the scrub by the high-speed-limit Texas Street, or they were up on the Adams Avenue bridge, which has a pedestrian sidewalk, and would have given them visibility to traffic below. But the article doesn't say. Elizium23 (talk) 14:34, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Split

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion is that there is no consensus one way or the other. As was noted by Peteforsyth, there is nothing stopping a new article for any area that may merit its own article based on available reliable sources. Please see Wikipedia:Summary style and review the rest of his comment below. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 04:00, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

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• Support split - This article is over 100 kB, and should be split to articles such as George Floyd protests in Los Angeles County. Thoughts? --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:21, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - "Page size" tool indicates readable prose is 4k. The bulk of this article is references. It will be damaged by a split. Elizium23 (talk) 21:23, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

  @Elizium23: The tool is not accurate here, because it doesnt count lists, and this page is pretty much all bullet items.—Bagumba (talk) 07:51, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose for now - Some of these entries should be shortened instead. We'll see what that does to the bulk. Love of Corey (talk) 02:33, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

• Reply - @Love of Corey:, be bold! --Jax 0677 (talk) 19:09, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

I could if I had a community consensus on what to shorten. Love of Corey (talk) 04:56, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

• Reply - Most entries are tiny. It's just that there are so many of them... Kire1975 (talk) 04:42, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: There's nothing stopping anybody from starting a new article, for any area (such as L.A. County, East Bay, etc.) that might merit its own article. The essay Wikipedia:Summary style describes the process; and the process of splitting the Seattle article off of the Washington State article might be informative. I'd start with the discussion that drove that split if seeking guidance from that example. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 04:56, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

  And to be clear, I'm suggesting just taking on subsections one at a time, as they seem appropriate, of interest to you, and supported by WP:RS (as opposed to trying to split up the entire state and deal with all regions in parallel). -Pete Forsyth (talk) 04:58, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support split - makes sense, LA is huge obviously, but not urgent Kire1975 (talk) 04:41, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Problem in References section

When I look at the References section of this page, I don't see the actual references nor the template for the George Floyd protests. I capitalized the 'r' in reflist to see if that would fix anything (unsurprisingly, it didn't). Is anyone else experiencing this problem? Songwaters (talk) 19:52, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Songwaters, looks like it was the map creating a template include error. I commented it out, and will post a followup over on the map talk page. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 20:26, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Topic and scope

Some entries have very tenuous connections to "George Floyd protests". For example, the statue-toppling in Golden Gate Park. The article tangentially mentions the national unrest, but never connects the wanton vandalism directly to Floyd. So is this a problem for the article's scope? If not in this article, where does it belong? Do the articles need to be renamed to something with broader scope than an inconsequential, allegedly catalayzing event? Discuss. Elizium23 (talk) 04:13, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

"Very tenuous", really? The cited refs clearly describe the statue-toppling as part of these protests, e.g. the SF Chronicle article:

"The national reckoning over racism and a history fraught with ambiguity spilled into Golden Gate Park on Friday night, where demonstrators pointed their rage toward statues of St. Junipero Serra, 'Star-Spangled Banner' lyricist Francis Scott Key and even a hero of the Civil War that ended slavery, President Ulysses S. Grant."

or the CNA piece ("protests over racial injustice").

If you think that these were merely random acts of vandalism that just happened to coincide with the Floyd protests, there are a lot of other RS disagreeing with you.

Regards, HaeB (talk) 04:32, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

HaeB, well, I consider Floyd's killing to be a random act of injustice that just happens to coincide with a good deal of national unrest, and that's why I question the titling of this family of articles. Elizium23 (talk) 04:35, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I think I know what you mean (that the protests could also have been ignited by various other police killings?), and one could mention that e.g. Rodney King riots redirects to 1992 Los Angeles riots. But in any case that would be a question to discuss at Talk:George Floyd protests instead - in fact someone just started such a discussion there after a moratorium about article renaming expired. Regards, HaeB (talk) 04:58, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Map

Ideally we should bring the map back. The zoom filter needs to be about a 5.5 but the code doesn't seem to allow for fractions. Anybody got any ideas? I also think it should be a width of 350 or 400. Kire1975 (talk) 04:58, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up on split

I've followed the consensus made regarding this discussion and spun the article off into three sub-articles:

• George Floyd protests in Los Angeles County, California
• George Floyd protests in San Diego County, California
• George Floyd protests in the San Francisco Bay Area

Hopefully it's alright. This article looks quite balanced right now, in my opinion. Love of Corey (talk) 23:15, 26 October 2020 (UTC)