Talk:Juan Gabriel

Gay musician?

He's never explicitly said that he was homosexual, although he is popularly purported to be so. --Victor 03:32, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh he is gay, darling...when he was asked about it in an interview..he said "Lo que se ve, no se pregunta"..[[[User:Raniya|Raniya]] 00:44, 26 March 2006 (UTC)]

I was never comfortable with some of the interpretations from Spanish to English on WikiPedia.

Said Juan Gabriel when he was interrogated about his sexuality:

"Lo que se ve no se pregunta mijo. Yo no tengo por qué decirle cosas que a usted, como a muchas otras personas, no les interesa, yo pienso que soy un artista que he dado mucho con mis canciones."

It is translated in this article as:

"You don't ask about what you see, son. I don't have to tell you nor others, because it's none of your business. I feel that I am an artist who has contributed too much with his songs."

However, I think a more accurate interpretation would be:

"What is obvious, isn't questioned, hon. I have no obligation to tell you about matters that, like so many other people, aren't your concern. I think that I'm an artist that has given quite a lot with my songs. (...and don't need to explain myself to anybody.)

Juan Gabriel has decided that his music, not his sexuality, defines who he is. He has decided to make his career about singing, writing, composing and performing, not promoting the gay agenda, and I think his decision should be respected.

He spoke well for himself. His sexuality is nobody else's business, and interrogators need to clam up. I can't see how Juan Gabriel being gay would change the quality of his music either way.210.133.127.14 (talk) 03:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

210.133.127.14, while I'm not disagreeing with your general argument, you translated mijo as "hon", which definitely has gay overtones, instead of the article's "son", which does not. Though I'm not fluent in Spanish, I am a linguist, and I'm pretty sure that mijo is a way of writing mi hijo ("my son") when it's said as a unit. This would include idiomatic usage, as in English we may use "son" to a significantly younger man or youth who isn't actually related to us.--Thnidu (talk) 03:22, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Even without the "hon" part, it's still quite likely that he was saying that they should know his sexuality by what they see rather than by what he says. I think he's basically saying that he would prefer to express his sexuality with his actions rather than his words, and that the public is not entitled to an explicit answer on his sexuality.

I would guess is due to the stigma around homosexuality in Mexico, so perhaps he'd prefer if people just took the effort to notice his sexuality by how he looks since it's not as certain as an explicit answer, so that there remains an element of doubt, which would prevent potential stigma. 71.84.230.170 (talk) 18:26, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Though some do think the phrase was actually an affirmation of heterosexuality, like this one:

[1]https://www.infobae.com/america/entretenimiento/2020/06/29/lo-que-se-ve-no-se-pregunta-como-surgio-la-famosa-frase-de-juan-gabriel/

As such, I will mention both views in the article. 71.84.230.170 (talk) 18:39, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Telenovelas

Some of the song titles I saw in the article were also the names of telenovelas. I'm guessing he also wrote novela theme songs?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.245.245.239 (talk • contribs)

The most succesful and commercial singer-songwriter

I think it´s clear he´s the most succesful commercial musician in Mexican music history. Even Pedro Infante, Luis Miguel and other idols don´t have the "cross over" popularity of Juan Gabriel.

He´s a commercial singer-songwriter because there are "art" singer-songwriters as Fernando Delgadillo, David Haro, Lila Downs and others.

--Posmodern2000 01:31, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Eat your heart out, Michael...210.133.127.14 (talk) 03:13, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Dang, that's cold. 71.84.230.170 (talk) 18:39, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

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Incorrect song titles go here

Since the article is locked, I suggest some changes, since I speak Spanish I know what the song titles mean, and how wrong some translations are:

• "He venido a pedirte perdón" ("I Have Come To Ask for Forgiveness") correction: "I Have Come To Ask You Forgiveness"

since pedirte(ask you) is referred to a she in a close personal form, also "Ask for Forgiveness" is "pedir perdón" without a referral subject.

• "Amor, amor es amor" (Love love is love"), a colon please!!! corrected "Love, love is love", but the first "love" is an addressing to a beloved, the other ones are plain and simple Love(the feeling).
• "Pero, ¿qué necesidad?" ("What's the Point"), Corrected: "But, What is the need?", since "What's the Point" is referred to a POV, and "que necesidad?" is for what is the need for minor problems in a sentimental situation, when the minor problems are nothing to love. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.247.28.7 (talk) 05:58, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Tense

The article's tense often does not agree. It frequently switches between past and present, but should be written in past. I would fix it... but I'm lazy. The burden now falls on you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.156.155 (talk) 23:33, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

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Claims of Juan Gabriel's death

There haven been number of edits that mentions he has deceased, but there are no official statements from either his family or record label that has confirmed that he has died. Many sources that are claiming that he has died all cite a single reporter (Joaquín López Dóriga from Televisa). Please do not repost that he has died unless his family or record label has confirmed it. His death has been confirmed by a coroner and the Mexican president. Disregard the previous message. Erick (talk) 21:45, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

the Mexican President tweeted a message of condolences. is that good enough for a confirmation? Oriole7 (talk) 22:07, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Unless the president has specifically mentioned that Juan Gabriel's family, record label, or manager has confirmed his death, no. Erick (talk) 22:09, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Sociedad de Autores y Compositores de México has confirmed this which is like the union of mexican composers https://www.facebook.com/SACMoficial/. --Jeff vader (talk) 22:12, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Los Angeles County Coroner has confirmed also. Oriole7 (talk) 22:13, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Sources for both? Erick (talk) 22:14, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

http://www.univision.com/musica/muere-el-cantante-y-compositor-mexicano-juan-gabriel in here it says that the family has confirmed the death--Jeff vader (talk) 22:13, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Sources for the Los Angeles County Coroner here: Oriole7 (talk) 22:17, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

@Tbhotch:, has new come from the Mexican media? Erick (talk) 22:17, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Everything come from reliable sources Univision, NBC, Mexican President, Los Angeles Coroner inside NBC article, and family inside Univision article--Jeff vader (talk) 22:20, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2016

2602:306:33C9:D8E0:9DAA:FF16:BA8C:BF8B (talk) 21:59, 28 August 2016 (UTC) He died today August 28, 2016 11:30 A.M.

 Not done Read the section above. Erick (talk) 22:01, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2016

Please change "(born January 7, 1950)" to "(born January 7, 1950; died August 28,2016)"

Tito2035 (talk) 22:00, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

 Not done Read the section above. Erick (talk) 22:02, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2016

Juan Gabriel passed away in California on August 28, 2016.

Elinss13 (talk) 22:00, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

 Not done Read the section above. Erick (talk) 22:02, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Death

It has been confirmed by CNN, and by the Mexican president dont know if that counts but here it is CNN Report . --Jeff vader (talk) 22:07, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

I already explained above that his death has to be confirmed by either his family or his record label. See WP:BLP. Erick (talk) 22:07, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

No, just by reliable sources. No policy that states that the family or label has to confirm it. JOJ ^Hutton 22:16, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

You're right, so can we start updating this?—Fundude99^{talk to me} 22:19, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Too many people deleting it for me to even get involved on the main page. I just don't understand ignoring reliable sources. JOJ ^Hutton 22:21, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

My apologies -- I have been undoing the changes. I am a bit confused -- it is okay to add the death now? Oriole7 (talk) 22:23, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Because things like these tend to happen and they usually end up being false. All sources were reporting from a single reporter, but seeing as the LA coroner and family is involved, it seems that it is confirmed. Erick (talk) 22:24, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

I assume so, WP:BLP states you need reliable sources, which we have.—Fundude99^{talk to me} 22:25, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Enough reliable sources had confirmed the news--Jeff vader (talk) 22:26, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Leila Cobo from Billboard has confirmed it. I have updated the blp banner. Erick (talk) 22:29, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

CNN said "Sources close to the singer's family confirmed his death to CNN" / "Fuentes cercanas a la familia del cantante confirmaron su muerte a CNN", which seems to be adequate confirmation. Fences&Windows 23:04, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I have accepted the reports are true and that he has truly passed away. Erick (talk) 23:06, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2016

Please update Juan Gabriel's date of decease. He died on August the 28th, 2016. Lejo87 (talk) 22:12, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

 Not done Read the section above.—Fundude99^{talk to me} 22:13, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2016

Please add a Died: August 28, 2016 ( Age 66) also add to years active 1976 - 2016 208.54.83.142 (talk) 22:21, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2016

Disregard this request, as I just noticed the 2 prior requests for the same update.

Hi, just wanted to let you know that this singer just passed away (August 28th, 2016)in Santa Monica. Cause is to be determined, but they suspect a heart attack.

Frankbosq (talk) 22:30, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Can someone spell barriers in the first paragraph correctly. Is it really that hard??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.216.158.54 (talk) 00:20, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Juan Gabriel

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Reference named "bill":

• From Mi Reflejo: "Reviews & Previews". Billboard. 112 (38). Prometheus Global Media: 27. September 16, 2000. Retrieved April 30, 2013.
• From Abrázame Muy Fuerte (song): "2002 Billboard Latin Music Awards". Billboard. 2002-05-09. Retrieved 2010-07-30.
• From You (Romeo Santos song): "Latin Songs – Week of May 28, 2011". Billboard. Prometheus Global Media. May 28, 2011. Retrieved November 2, 2011.

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Grammys

Just a reminder Grammy Award for Best Latin Pop Album, Grammy Award for Best Mexican/Mexican-American Album, Latin Grammy Award for Best Singer-Songwriter Album, Latin Grammy Award for Best Ranchero/Mariachi Album. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 23:13, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

@Tbhotch:, Also have a look at Lo Nuestro Award for Pop Album of the Year, Lo Nuestro Award for Pop Song of the Year, Lo Nuestro Award for Pop Male Artist of the Year, Lo Nuestro Award for Regional Mexican Album of the Year, Lo Nuestro Award for Regional Mexican Song of the Year, and Lo Nuestro Award for Regional Mexican Male Artist of the Year. Erick (talk) 23:17, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

El Heraldo de México award 1974. Thanks Erick, I'll eventually will work at the awards and recognitions. BTW in a few hours the protection will expire. I hope that new users play constructively. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 05:09, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

If you plan on making a "list of awards and nominations" article for Juan Gabriel, I can pull up the Billboard Latin awards and the ASCAP Latin awards for you as well. Erick (talk) 10:20, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

US President Obama released a statement

President Obama has released a statement about his death please include in the legacy and impact section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.217.154 (talk) 01:16, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

 Done Added. Erick (talk) 11:38, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Honorary title

Why is his honorary title in the lead bold and italicized? It is not a redirect nor a published consumer product, is there a MoS that states titles in the lead must be bolded like the way it is now? – jona ✉ 12:26, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Was the unacknowledged son really illegitimate?

§ Personal life and death begins "Juan Gabriel was never married." But while I was searching for evidence in the cited source that the mother of his first four children (acknowledged though illegitimate) was named Guadalupe, I watched a couple of the videos included in reference LatinTimes. I'm nowhere near fluent in Spanish, but I figured I'd be able to recognize the name if I heard it, and I didn't, so I tagged the name {{ citation needed }}.

What I did hear was one of the two women in the conversation say, in describing the communications and relations between father and son, "su hijo legítimo" ("his legitimate son"), stressing the adjective emphatically with her voice and a raised index finger.

Can someone fluent in Spanish please check that video?

I have linked to this section from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mexico § Fluent listener needed.

Please {{Ping}} me to discuss. --Thnidu (talk) 04:24, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

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Juan Gabriel

hello a question, why not put the data found in Wikipedia in Spanish? because here in English I see too many incongruities, if you want I can help improve the spelling and add data with its respective reference source. IDRR12345 (talk) 14:21, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

• IDRR12345, go ahead and improve the article as long as you provide reliable sources. – jona ✉ 15:22, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

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fix the most well known songs sentence

if you remove the list of songs from this sentence

Among his most recognized penned songs are "Amor eterno", "Querida", "Yo no nací para amar", "Hasta que te conocí", "El Noa Noa", "No tengo dinero", "Abrázame muy fuerte", "Te lo pido por favor", "En esta primavera", "Pero qué necesidad", "Te sigo amando", "Siempre en mi mente", "De mí enamórate", and "Lo pasado, pasado", among others; all of them, performed by him and many other artists.

then you get "among his most recognized penned songs are [list of songs] among others; all of them, performed by him and many other artists." which doesn't make sense and uses the word among twice 2601:647:400:B7A0:0:0:0:171E (talk) 09:07, 4 October 2022 (UTC)