Talk:Lateral release (phonetics)
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English dialects
editIn what dialects of English is this common? As an American, I think I have detected this in the speech of some Brits (those who neither glottalize the /t/ nor vocalize the /l/). Is this observation correct? — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 21:21, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
- I think I do it, and I speak s.t. close to GA. — kwami (talk) 21:36, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
- I suppose I could just as easily be detecting the absence of a lateral release in British /tl̩/, if I happen to use it myself. I too speak something close to GA, so who knows... — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 00:43, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
The title
editTitle should be changed. We have an article "Nasal release" (w/o "(phonetics)" in the title). We should delete the bracketed 'phonetics' here or add it to nasal release —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brydzo (talk • contribs) 11:19, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
- Check out Lateral release. The difference between the two is that 'lateral release' is a title for more than one article, while 'nasal release' isn't. --JorisvS (talk) 15:16, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
- My bad, sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brydzo (talk • contribs) 18:16, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Hmong
editHmong has bilabial consonants with lateral release. Is this a phonologist's choice to ensure that Hmong is describable as a perfectly CV language or is there something else going on? — Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 08:10, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
- Strange, I wouldn't know. While I can easily pronounce lateral(ly released) bilabials—just release the corners of the mouth while keeping the lips shut in the middle—that article speaks of "with dental lateral release"... I have no idea what that is supposed to be. --JorisvS (talk) 10:39, 1 July 2010 (UTC).
- The dentals aren't so iffy. It's the bilabials that strike me as funky. — kwami (talk) 23:57, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
- This source describes them as clusters in Mong Leng. — Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 01:06, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
- Kwami, I was talking about the bilabials. Yes, them being clusters seems to be the case. Though its phonology looks unsourced, maybe this was its source (number 3 in its ref list)? And I guess from it that the authors treat them as single consonants so that it looks like a perfectly CV, like you thought, Aeusoes. Also, I've noted that the source you provided transcribes the prenasalized stops as voiceless, also contrary to what the Hmong language article states. --JorisvS (talk) 11:07, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
- Keep in mind that there are multiple dialects of Hmong. In White Hmong (which is what Golston and Yang are discussing), the prenasalized consonants are voiced. — Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 16:28, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
- Kwami, I was talking about the bilabials. Yes, them being clusters seems to be the case. Though its phonology looks unsourced, maybe this was its source (number 3 in its ref list)? And I guess from it that the authors treat them as single consonants so that it looks like a perfectly CV, like you thought, Aeusoes. Also, I've noted that the source you provided transcribes the prenasalized stops as voiceless, also contrary to what the Hmong language article states. --JorisvS (talk) 11:07, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
- This source describes them as clusters in Mong Leng. — Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 01:06, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
- The dentals aren't so iffy. It's the bilabials that strike me as funky. — kwami (talk) 23:57, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
I fixed the Hmong article so it no longer makes claims about "laterally released" bilabial phonemes. Benwing (talk) 04:31, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
- Since sources use it, we shouldn't eliminate all mention of it, though discussing variation in analysis couldn't hurt. — Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 04:51, 14 February 2011 (UTC)