Talk:Li Ka-shing

Wealthiest

Is he the wealthiest person in Hong Kong? That would be worth mentioning. --Jiang SherlockHolmes23 (talk) 08:22, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that he isn't as of 2022. That honour goes to Robin Zeng Yuqun. He imports teslas to Hong Kong, thus the money.

Two quotes

Two Quotes: Li founded Hutchison Whampoa and... and That company would eventually acquire Hutchison Whampoa Limited in... . Founded or acquired, which one is it? 213.235.195.136 06:20, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Acquire, he first founded the company now known as Cheung Kong Holdings, and then he acquired Hutchison Whampoa through Cheung Kong; I think Cheung Kong is also the first Chinese firm to acquire a Foreign 'Hong' in Hong Kong. --richeyxx13:05, 31 Dec 2005 (CST)

Major cleanup

Major cleanup: tried to bring the whole article together stylistically; removed all the (extensive) poor grammar that I could find; rewrote the last section; added links to Li's two major companies. --Shannonr 05:41, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Subjectivity

Was this written by his PR staff? The man has accomplished a lot but maybe it could be stated in a more objective manner. I won't chang it myself, as I am not well aquainted with the man, but I felt it was worth bringing up. Shouta 05:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, the whole article reads like a high school students homework essay.

yup this article has some serious POV issues. What's with all that stuff on Jardines? TastyCakes (talk) 16:53, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

The wealthiest man in Asia

The statement of the discussion heading is presently made in the article. However, the Forbes Magazine article which in the next sentence is refered to as recognizing Shing as the tenth wealthiest man in the world has two other Asians higher on the list: Lakshmi Mittal of India in fifth place (living in the UK though) and Prince Alwaleed of Saudi Arabia in spot number eight. I will thus remove the statement. /Dcastor 20:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Naming

I tried to align the spelling of Li Ka-shing with the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (chinese)#Names, in particular when to use Wade-Giles, and how. Merabus 23:39, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

NPOV

This article is heavily biased toward Li Ka-shing. Evidence: language like, "By 1950, his hard work, prudence and his pursuit of excellence had enabled him to start his own company, Cheung Kong Industries." So I declared it NPOV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.64.169.72 (talk) 03:23, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I've tried to fix some of these issues. TastyCakes (talk) 16:15, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Date of Birth

I have notice that the date of birth of Li Ka-Shing on the text is 13 June 1928 and the boxed table on the right is 29 July 1928. Can someone help to confirm the exact date of birth. Thank you. --Josephine (talk) 21:51, 26 July 2009

Encyclopædia Britannica writes 13 June. The other link is dead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.97.183.185 (talk) 20:17, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

According to the biography of Li Ka-shing (李嘉誠傳) his birthday June 13 in Lunar calendar, which is July 29 in Gregorian. Vicary (talk) 17:53, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Something has become really confused about his date of birth, as sources for the article claim as above mentioned 13 June, and also some places claim July 29. Yet, the date posted in the article is now 30 January! And that without any sources. It seems this article is not enough guarded. I have no idea were 30 January came from and which date is actually the right one. Regarding this kind of person, it's not so uncommon with this kind of confusion of dates, as it may be hard to get it really confirmed from the person himself. Sometimes one can get a clue, if there is a official birthday celebration or articles about it at some special years. There may be something in some Hong-Kong news paper from 2008 i.e.--Bemland (talk) 01:09, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Please note, this date is simply the date he uses in his HK papers. In fact it was a Chinese custom just to make up a DoB when they arrive from mainland China to HK. 2A00:23C5:C101:5800:9038:A7CE:AA47:8774 (talk) 21:58, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

I'll list the evidence below. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 19:03, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

13 June

https://www.cnbc.com/2014/04/29/25-li-ka-shig.html https://www.britannica.com/biography/Li-Ka-shing

29 July

https://www.bloomberg.com/billionaires/profiles/kashing- https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-20/li-ka-shing-said-to-plan-retirement-by-next-year-wsj-reportsli/

30 January

http://www.celebritychina.net/ka-shing-li.html not a reliable source from the looks of it, possibly copied from Wikipedia

Mandarin pronunciation

While not wanting to politicize this, I was just curious if we should add the Mandarin pronunciation and simplified character version of his name? --71.111.194.50 (talk) 08:40, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Article title

I have no idea why the article was moved from Li Ka-shing to Ka-shing Li. The official biography of the subsect says

• Mr. Li Ka-shing is the Chairman of Cheung Kong (Holdings) Limited and Hutchison Whampoa Limited. [1]

Is there any reason to think that is not his proper name, in English?   Will Beback  talk  10:51, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

'Given name(s)-Surname' is the proper order of writing names in English; it is independent of the origin of the name. Douglas the Comeback Kid (talk) 12:37, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Not necessarily. In Malayasia, the order is also reversed, with family name first. More importantly, Wikipedia uses the most common name for any individual, whatever that is. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people). Since the name of this individual is commonly given as Li Ka-shing, that's what this article should be called. The burden is on you to show that some other name is more common. Also, when a move is necessary it's best to make a request. Moving the way you did causes extra work for admins who have to undo it then fix it.   Will Beback  talk  20:57, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but this is an INCORRECT way of presenting names in English. Wikipedia English should be a place to promote the correct use of English.

The subject is referred to in English as Li Ka-shing. I see there is a specific naming convention for Chinese subjects. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese)#Order_of_names, which says: Personal names in Chinese, unlike Western names, present the family/clan name first. Unlike other instances where this occurs, it is standard practice in English to also present the family name first (for example, Mao Zedong, Deng Xiaoping and Bai Ling). "Mao Zedong" is correct English.   Will Beback  talk  19:03, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

This's probably because at the very beginning when people transliterate Chinese names into English they're unaware of the difference of the naming rules. The mistake has then turned into a common practice so it seems to people that it's 'acceptable'. But, this 'convention' doesn't follow the normal practice in English. By the way, it's a double standard to apply different naming conventions to different people; that's also unfair because it leads a labelling effect which distinguishes a particular group of people from the rest. Douglas the Comeback Kid (talk) 10:46, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

You're probably right about each of your points: that it's a longstanding mistake with cultural implications. However we're not here to right the world's wrongs; we're just here to write the world's encyclopedia. We follow whichever practice is most common, right or wrong.

The core naming convention says: Article titles should be recognizable to readers, unambiguous, and consistent with usage in reliable English-language sources. That's a bit obtuse, but basically it means that each title should reflect common usage as found in English-language sources. In the case of this subject, we have his company's website and news clippings which all call him Li Ka-shing. In the case of other Hong Kong people it may be more complicated because multiple names are used, some English, in multiple arrangements. Yet we can't impose our own views on how people should be named. We have to call articles and people using the common usage as best we can. In people who have more than one sourced variation, it's appropriate to list the other variations in the lead, and to use redirects.   Will Beback  talk  10:57, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

If that's the rule of Wikipedia then I've nothing to say - Wikipedia's castle, Wikipedia's rules. But I must express my profound disappointment on the existence of such rule. Douglas the Comeback Kid (talk) 16:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I know it seems odd. But going with the most common usage has worked out generally, though there are sometimes problems, like figuring out which names is most common.   Will Beback  talk  07:26, 25 May 2011 (UTC).

Perhaps the most important lesson is that articles may appear under a number of possible titles all of which can be found through redirects, but what really matters is the contents of the article itself. Let's not get hung up on the name but rather work on making the best possible article.   Will Beback  talk  11:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Richest Asian

Like a shing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.220.162.177 (talk) 12:19, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Canadian?

This mentions his citizenship as "Canadian" but I didn't see any reference as to why he is Canadian, how he became Canadian, why chose to become Canadian, etc. He lives in Hong Kong and was born in China. I'm curious how Canada factors in to this at all. It seems worthwhile to mention, I came here to find out his Canadian status specifically after noticing here: [2] that he was a Canadian who was listed as one of the wealthiest people in the world. Celynn (talk) 02:43, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't able to find any credible sources online that state Li Ka-shing as also being Canadian. Should we remove this from the page? Tiffdmo14 (talk) 22:27, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

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Nigerian 419 Advance Fee Fraud Usage of Article

On 22 January 2015, a Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud scam operation cited this article to try to lend legitimacy to their scam, using the name of this person as a reply _target. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:500:A801:A41B:5C4D:B633:DE99 (talk) 16:43, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

On 18 June 2015, a new 419 scam spam run was sent out, referencing this article, that one was sent through Microsoft Exchange mailservers, and the sender used a nonexistent domain and the reply-to email address was on Gmail. Despite the red flags in what were excessively long headers, the Microsoft software still let the spam through. This was sighted just after 2300 GMT but was sent as much as two hours before that time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:509:3801:1D3:349B:AFED:F0F0 (talk) 23:54, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

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Currently being used to support a spammer's scam, probably a 419. Also possible the article has been vandalized to make the bait more tempting. (I still think there should be a mechanism to temporarily add such a warning to the article itself.) Shanen (talk) 10:11, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

@Shanen: How is this being used to support a spammer's scam? What vandalism has taken place? The mechanism to add warnings is Wikipedia:Editnotice. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 11:23, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Not sure how to reply to you directly, but the spammers' send out spam with links to Wikipedia. Most of the scams are obviously 419s, but some of the details in the scam email depend on the articles. In a couple of cases, the details have seemed suspect, but it could be going in either direction. Or the entire article could be a fake. The only thing the spammers are interested in is abusing Wikipedia's credibility to make their own spam look more realistic. I don't know about the Editnotice mechanism, but over the years I have sometimes attempted to warn potential suckers, but was told not to. Shanen (talk) 11:01, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

@Shanen: What details in scam emails depend on the article though? Are you suggesting that the entire of this article is fake? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 11:55, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

This is the spam's email: https://pastebin.com/dHEPs7hz . I don't know if that's actually allowed or possible, but I think it would be nice to add a temporary warning to the page (IMVHO). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.62.103.58 (talk) 21:16, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't know how to assess the authenticity, but I am sure that a spammer would certainly vandalize Wikipedia if he saw a buck in doing so. My deeper suggestion would be a mechanism to pass those judgments to experts. I'd like to just paste the entire email (including headers) into a webform, and it would come back with a confirmation webform. At that point I'd just be saying something like "I'm quite sure that this is a link to Wikipedia being used to support a spam" and "Because it appears to be a 419 scam, the temporary warning message at the top of the linked article should include a link to the Wikipedia article about 419 scams." (However mostly I'm just fed up with Wikipedia's close-mindedness. Much as I hate spammers, I certainly don't like Wikipedia much. For example, I thought up another way to justify donating money to Wikipedia, but near as I can tell most of my prior suggestions have simply been disliked and deleted.) Shanen (talk) 02:01, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

@Shanen: I have requested advice at Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests#"Spam abuse warning" .Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 11:15, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Again being used to support scam by spammer. Shanen (talk) 10:16, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

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Wrong info about kidnapping

Someone added info about kidnapping but when I checked the reference, it links to an article (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53055497) about different person, He Xiangjian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mad hardy (talk • contribs) 06:31, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Is is okay if I undo or delete that part?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Li_Ka-shing&diff=982478048&oldid=980337095 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mad hardy (talk • contribs) 06:38, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Is Li a Sir?

Some outlets have referred to Li as a sir because of his GCMG [1]. Others haven't, referring to him as "Mr Li" [2]. I believe that Li cannot use the title 'sir', as that is reserved for citizens of the Commonwealth realms, excluding Canada. At the time of his award, I think he was probably just a Hong Konger, and his title thus did not allow him to use the title. Dawkin Verbier (talk) 03:20, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Any meaningful discussion should be based on facts. Sir Ka-shing Li was substantively appointed an ordinary Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire under the Diplomatic Service and Overseas List of the 2000 Queen's Birthday Honours for "services to British industry and to medical research". The appointment was announced in the London Gazette and therefore, it was not an honorary appointment and he is for sure entitled to be addressed "Sir Ka-shing Li". The UK Who's Who, which is an authoritative source for British honours and titles, has an entry of Li Ka-shing. The concerned entry begins with "LI Ka-Shing, Sir". Furthermore, Sir Ka-shing Li is more commonly known as "Li Ka-shing", but it does not mean that he never uses the title. The following webpages of his companies and his charity are vivid examples -

• Press release - Hutchison Whampoa Limited (1)
• Press release - Hutchison Whampoa Limited (2)
• Photos - Li Ka Shing Foundation (1) (see "Prime Minister joins Sir Ka-shing Li for launch of £90m initiative in big data and drug discovery at...")
• Photos - Li Ka Shing Foundation (2)
• Press release - CK Hutchison Holdings Limited

Based on the above factual information, it is crystal clear that the lead section of the article should address Li Ka-shing as "Sir Ka-shing Li" with reference to prevailing rules and guidelines on the naming conventions of the English Wikipedia.--Clithering (talk) 09:14, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

I stand corrected. Thank you for the references. Dawkin Verbier (talk) 13:09, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

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• 202.45.68.57 (talk · contribs) is a long term SPA dedicated to this page and Hutchinson Whampoa owned by article subject Good day—RetroCosmos ^talk 21:28, 8 July 2024 (UTC)