Talk:Mary Henderson Eastman

Requested article

This article is part of the list of requested articles posted in the Women in Red Project. It is also separated from the article about Seth Eastman, her husband. Feel free to contribute especially if you have access to more authoritative sources. Thanks! Darwin Naz (talk) 00:16, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Darwin Naz. You are really doing great work. Regarding sources, I found an entry about Mary Eastman in American National Biography. You can access it at Wikipedia Library. Best. --Gazal world (talk) 18:45, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Gazal world. Thank you for the good word. I have checked the source you cited and found a text I could use. Strangely, I have not used the Wikipedia Library as a resource and have never visited it before. Thanks for directing me there. There are tons of materials available! Regards, Darwin Naz (talk) 00:00, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Happy editing. Keep doing good work. --Gazal world (talk) 08:57, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Darwin Naz. Just to let you know, you can use {{Cite ANB}} template to cite American National Biography entry. Best. --Gazal world (talk) 19:42, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Gazal world. I tried the template you cited in-line but it is not in a footnote format. The reference is displayed alongside the text instead of under the reflist. I do not know if I used the template correctly. For the ANB citation (Tollers, E.), I previously copied the information from the Cite tool of the ABN reference and used it through the Visual Editing interface's Cite tool (Manual > Basic Form).Darwin Naz (talk) 23:36, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Try this: <ref>{{Cite ANB |last=Tollers |first=Elizabeth M. |title=Eastman, Mary Henderson |doi=10.1093/anb/9780198606697.article.1601994}}</ref>

It will work. --Gazal world (talk) 23:07, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for your help! Darwin Naz (talk) 00:26, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

It would be better if you can add a caption for the image in Biography section. --Gazal world (talk) 01:06, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 17:48, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

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Mary Henderson Eastman

• ... that American historian and author Mary Henderson Eastman (pictured) earned considerable fame for advocating slaveholding in the United States? Aunt Phillis's Cabin, her book defending slavery, became a bestseller in 1852. Source: "Eastman, a Virginia native outraged by Stowe's novel, wrote Aunt Phillis's Cabin; or, Southern Life As It Is (1852), an idealized picture of slave life and a justification of slavery on religious, moral, and economic grounds. Although hastily composed and loosely structured, it was the most popular of the many anti–Uncle Tom novels written in the early 1850s, selling approximately 18,000 copies in a few weeks." American National Biography "southern women novelists and poets, many of whom had earned considerable fame... engaged in the debate with their own refutation of Stowe... Mary Henderson Eastman's Aunt Phillis's Cabin, for example, rejected Stowe..." J.D. Wells

  • ALT0a: ... that American historian and author Mary Henderson Eastman (pictured) earned considerable fame with her best-selling pro-slavery novel Aunt Phillis's Cabin?

  • ALT1: ... that American historian and author Mary Henderson Eastman (pictured) promoted both Native American rights and Black slavery? Source: "Eastman most strongly expressed her anger at whites' treatment of the Indians, criticizing both military conquerors and missionaries." American National Biography
  • ALT2: ... that American historian and author Mary Henderson Eastman, a pro-slavery and advocate of Native American rights, wrote a book that is said to have influenced Henry Wadsworth Longfellow's The Song of Hiawatha? Source: "This experience was reflected in her Dahcotah; or, Life and Legends of the Sioux Around Fort Snelling (1849), which was later said, on little real evidence, to have influenced Henry Wadsworth Longfellow's Song of Hiawatha." Britannica

Created by Darwin Naz (talk). Self-nominated at 23:48, 31 July 2020 (UTC).

• Query: Article was created 8 days before nomination, which I'll waive as new enough. Article is long enough, neutral, and well cited, Earwig for the long titles and one common phrase. QPQ waived for nominator's fourth DYK. Picture is in article and displays well. The file's public domain tag should be updated to show that it is in the public domain in the United States. The hooks, however, may need some work. ALT0 and ALT2 are too long (at 211 and 208 characters, see WP:DYKQN). ALT2 is the weakest fact, per on little real evidence, so I've struck it. ALT0 and ALT1 are neutral, cited in article and verifiable. I edited the first down to about 145 characters as ALT0a. Please let me know what you think and feel free to submit new hooks. – Reidgreg (talk) 23:25, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Reidgreg. Thanks for your input! Also, I would have made the update myself but I am unsure how to edit the image file's public domain tag. I have not made any edits at Wikimedia before. Darwin Naz (talk) 00:51, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

One of the first tags at Commons:Copyright tags/Country-specific tags § United States of America should apply (and can be added in addition to the existing tags), but I'm not certain of the image's publication history and the source website does not seem to be active. You could try asking at Commons:Village pump/Copyright, providing as much information as you can gather. You could also try contacting the original uploader, Materialscientist. – Reidgreg (talk) 08:58, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

I've updated the image file, see also the Hirtle chart. Materialscientist (talk) 07:27, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Materialscientist. Thanks very much! Darwin Naz (talk) 23:30, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Darwin Naz: Are you okay with ALT0a and ALT1? Do you want to salvage ALT2 or propose any new hooks? – Reidgreg (talk) 11:56, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

@Reidgreg: I am okay with ALT0a and ALT1. Darwin Naz (talk) 12:00, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

• Approve ALT0a, ALT1 – Reidgreg (talk) 12:10, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Great. Thank you! Darwin Naz (talk) 00:36, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Later, Eastman changed her position on slavery and became a Unionist. I put the explain marker here, because you could very well be pro-slavery and Unionist. The fact that her husband and sons fought for the Union, would explain her Unionism (if it ever needed an explanation), but the Civil War was not fought over slavery, it was fought over Secession. So why did she change her mind? Creuzbourg (talk) 21:53, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Creuzbourg: Quote appears to come directly from this page. Not sure we can "explain" the statement, it's (arguably) two separate points, but the "and" seems to group them. The citation supports both statements: (1) she changed her position on slavery and (2) she became a Unionist. But perhaps equating the two is contentious. --Engineerchange (talk) 22:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

But, I do agree, an additional cite would provide more clarity on how her position changed, as this one-liner mention appears dubious. --Engineerchange (talk) 22:44, 7 July 2024 (UTC)