Talk:NCSoft/Archive 1

Archive 1

Popular products

Maybe it would be appropriate to provide a list of popular or succesful products developed by the company, if you will something to differentiat the article which as exists now could be summed up as: NCSoft is a software company, started in South Korea that has offices in England and the US. My two cents.--68.226.22.197 22:36, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Sued by Worlds.com

Something should be added to this article about a lawsuit filed against NCsoft by the creators of Worlds.com about an MMOG patent. Link Below http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2337763,00.asp

I've added and upkept a section about the case. Frohike14 (talk) 13:06, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

crytek and aion?

Are we sure that aion uses crytek engine? citation should be needed. Pascalbrax 10:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

ncsoft uk

Does anyone know anything about ncsoft in Brighton, U.K. ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.9.113.225 (talk) 01:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Tak Jin Kim

Does anyone know anything about his life?

Removal of Controversies

I clicked the wrong button and therefore could not leave an edit summary to explain that the removal of controversies simply because they are controversial, but when they are properly sourced, is not sufficient cause for removal. In the future, consider discussing on the talk page before making such edits.   bsmithme  19:52, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Removal of BBB Section

It was nonsensical and really didn't add anything to the article. Random2001 (talk) 19:08, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I certainly agree that it could do with rewriting, but I'm always suspicious when legitimate, referenced criticism of companies is removed Thedarxide (talk) 19:10, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I removed the useless text at the end and kept the part about NCSoft. Random2001 (talk) 19:12, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

It is certainly not nonsensical, it is very illuminating. Current and potential NCSoft customers have the right to know how NCSoft stands in the customer service area and how it compares to other companies that offer similar services.   bsmithme  19:44, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

This section is constantly out of date and incorrect and written to show a bias. For example it showed NCSoft to have a score of F when it's score is C-, and EA to have score of A while it had D-. I updated the information to show current ACTUAL information. It would be better to write it without bias as a wiki should be. I am not a normal editor nor do I even care. I only changed this due to a forum thread so they would shut up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.167.219.46 (talk) 01:45, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Spammers

As seen from the large section of text just deleted members of the following forum: http://boards.exteel.com/showthread.php?t=51980 (scroll down for evidence). Have continually added false information to this article, just FYI.

Creators of Lineage, Guild Wars, and POPCAP GAMES

Is this a joke that went unnoticed? It's in the opening paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.120.132.74 (talk) 01:35, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

"Smear" Campaign?

There is an edit that says an active smear campaign is going on from this site: http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,6034.40.html There is certainly no smear campaign. Read some of the quotes:

• "But the odd thing is that I almost forgot is that he did mention about the "smear" campaign here. I don't see the smear campaign. If it was the old forum I could see that conclusion can be made from an outsider point of view, where every turn seems to be more hate about NCSoft and rightfully so from a gamer standpoint. But the smear has been very minimal here it seems. A little snarky(sarcastic) in some cases, but not smear."

• "Really, it just comes down to the edit having been made without citation from a reliable neutral source of information. If a proper citation is included that demonstrates that the edit wasn't just made to made NCsoft look bad."

• "All of us are angry at NCsoft to a smaller or greater extent, but letting that spill over to editing their Wikipedia page will not get us anything.

Best case scenario, overtly emotionally charged edits will be reverted. Worst case scenario, the page will be locked so that only administrators will be able to modify it. Neither of those achieves anything but reduce our credibility and paint us in bad light. We are better than that.

We don't need to be agressive or biased to hurt NCsoft. Information can be a weapon on its' own - all we have to do is objectively present the known facts."

• "I personally think the MMOKiller moniker is redundant and not needed for that article of a neutral Wiki entry. The numbers stated there speaks more of that conclusion more than anything and keeps things simple while getting the point across... Forums already get the bad rap as not being reliable sources as is. Lets break that stereotype. The media and websites are used to and expect angry gamers when the game get shut down and expect negative biased information and look upon it for entertainment until it dies down unti lnext game gets shutdown. If we want to change, we have to stick to the facts and show that gamers can be unhappy, but we all not simple emotion people that only can "nerd-rage" when we are angry and incapable of looking at anything with an unbiased view."

68.35.181.7 (talk) 19:27, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

And then you have quotes like these. The quotes below make it look like there is a smear campaign going on. Remember that a smear campaign may be the truth but the intent is to damage the reputation usually for retaliation againgt a percieved wrong. Smear campaign that is full of lies is usually classified as libel/slander of the likes. There more statements on that site like the ones below. If there is no smear campaign ran by or endorsed by cohtitan.com, it seems that they dont mind their site being used as a launch pad for a campaign where the point is to hurt NCSoft's reputation as much as possible, which seems to be textbook smear campaign. There is word that some of those statements are made by the celebrity Mercedes Lackey aka Victoria Victrix or someone claiming to be her as one of these statements by Victoria is quoted "Attack NCSoft at every possible angle." reply number 223, http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,5250.msg73664.html#msg73664.

-Hmm. We should probably try to get in touch with ex-Paragon Studios folks then. If anyone would have that kind of ammo against NC, it'd likely be them. After all, unless someone knows something I don't, we've already discussed their behavior towards their customers, and apparently their habit of revaluing the worth of their IPs to justify their stock prices isn't enough.

-Last Friday, I initiated contact via several email boxes at NCSoft; an "operation carpet bombing", if you will. I was hoping at least one would get through, or that I would annoy NCSoft enough that a real person would contact me asking me to stop;

-All we have to do, is use solid facts to paint NCsoft as a reactionary, xenophobic company with little to no connection to its Western audience We need to concentrate on bringing the pain to NCSoft until it becomes too painful for them to keep cybersquatting on our game.

-Attack NCSoft at every possible angle.

-I've filed BBB grievances before. It's easy and can be done online. I do believe that canceling our product out from under us with no warning at all would constitute grounds for a grievance

A reply-A possible call to action?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:BFC0:0:2C57:5DE7:24FE:7F26 (talk) 00:29, 7 November 2012 (UTC) 

Some of your "examples" are quite ridiculous, especially seeing that you present them entirely out of context. Discussion of possible actions do not constitute a smear campaign until such actions are actually taken. A player's attempt to contact the company does not harm the company's reputation in any way. A player filing a legitimate complaint with Better Business Bureau likewise is not part of a smear campaign.

Are you, perchance, working for NCSoft or on their behalf in any fashion? If so, be aware your edits to the page would constitute conflict of interest and incur damage to the company's reputation worse and more direct than your alleged "smear campaign" can hope to achieve on its own. --The Fifth Horseman (talk) 13:28, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Nope, not affiliated with NCSoft in any way. I'm not sure the one statement especially of "Attack NCSoft at every possible angle." is not a statement that seem to aim for a smear campaign. If you disagree that is fine but that doesnt mean everyone that disagree or edits the post is a NCSOft employee. I'm just trying to keep the article as non-biased as possible. I understand cohtitan wants publicity of their cause but I do not think wikipedia is the appropriate place to further that cause at the expense of non-bias statements and facts. For example, can you prove or has sources that proves there were other reason for the decision to close besides the one that have been released by NCSoft, which also comes from a source cited? I'm not sure if the forum is considered a good source or not either but cohtitan definately a biased source for this topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:BFC0:0:2C57:5DE7:24FE:7F26 (talk) 23:43, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

It's not that you disagree, it's your behavior matching a specific pattern. As for bias, you nicely keep reintroducing the buzzword collection regurgitated by someone's PR department - not pointing any fingers, but it's rather obvious.

"Realignment of company focus and publishing support" is certainly an impressively-sounding set of buzz words (see WP:MODLANG and WP:UPE#Buzzwords) amounting to - at most - "we decided to stop supporting the the game and/or existence of Paragon Studios". Thing is, that statement only describes the decision they made - without giving any actual reasons for it. --The Fifth Horseman (talk) 00:39, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I believe the reason as stated by the source cited gives the reason for closure of the game is because of the realignment of the company focus and publishing support. Closing down the game is the action. The realignment and etc. is the reason given, according to the source. If that source is not credible then that statement should be completely removed, with the rest of the stuff cited from that site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:BFC0:0:2C57:5DE7:24FE:7F26 (talk) 01:05, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay, fine. So both of us have issues with the other's perceived neutrality - or lack of it. I believe that inserting NCsoft's statement in the way you did it constitutes a violation of WP:ASF and WP:NPOV (see WP:NPOV_tutorial), you think that's the only right solution. Our points of view are mutually incompatibile, and at least one other anonymous IP just reinserted the same pile of buzzwords again. Instead of doing the dumb thing and engaging in an edit war or flat out attacking you, I'm filing WP:RFP and WP:NPOV/N for this article. --The Fifth Horseman (talk) 02:05, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:BFC0:0:2C57:5DE7:24FE:7F26 (talk) 02:33, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

WP:OWN

It might be a good idea for both editors who are sparring over this article to reconsider WP:OWN and step away from this entry for a while. There's certainly plenty of other work to be done on the encyclopedia. If this escalates, I imagine there'll be a few admins stepping in to administer blocks. Qworty (talk) 02:35, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Which is exactly why I've filed WP:NPOV/N#NCsoft. Fighting over something where a third-party opinion is clearly called for is utterly pointless. Unfortunately, this one incident is only a symptom of a larger issue - one which will escalate just fine on its' own no matter what myself and the other user do. --The Fifth Horseman (talk) 03:39, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Here are some appropriate sources with working links:

• Joystiq[1]
• Tom's Hardware
• Gamespy
• PC Gamer

At a very quick glance, it looks like a routine announcement. Not sure if it belongs under controversy, unless the petition and other issues can be found in better sources. Corporate 12:53, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Here we go. Please use these instead of forum posts for the petition: [2][3][4][5] Corporate 12:59, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

This looks like another possible source on the player reaction: http://www.starburstmagazine.com/gaming-news/3867-gaming-news-city-of-heroes-update --The Fifth Horseman (talk) 13:56, 9 November 2012 (UTC) The SaveCoH campaign has been keeping tally of the media coverage they received: [6] --The Fifth Horseman (talk) 09:37, 11 November 2012 (UTC) More published reactions to the closure: http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2012/12/602_126197.html --The Fifth Horseman (talk) 22:31, 4 December 2012 (UTC) And another: http://www.nowgamer.com/features/1713297/city_of_heroes_the_final_hours.html The Fifth Horseman (talk) 01:31, 8 December 2012 (UTC) Possible reference regarding celebrity reactions to the closure / SaveCOH campaign: http://www.dealspwn.com/neil-gaiman-john-wright-john-kovalic-mercedes-lackey-support-save-city-heroes-campaign-113562 The Fifth Horseman (talk) 18:20, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

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