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Greatest men's tennis player of all time.
editThe following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Add that he's the greatest men's tennis player of all time after his Olympic gold. He's already beaten all the important records in men's tennis and cemented his undisputed claim to the title. 139.47.22.101 (talk) 15:06, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Not done: It's not Wikipedia's job to determine that. We can quote other people calling him the greatest player of all time, but we can't decide that he is. AntiDionysius (talk) 15:42, 4 August 2024 (UTC)- Stop trying to intimidate others into spreading your propaganda. Your opinion is just that...an opinion. It is not a matter of fact. Keep your conjecture to yourself. 2600:8800:4197:9400:7997:30C:9752:60A4 (talk) 08:21, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- He is talking about the opinions of many experts. Just look around, try to find the numerous sources, and refer to them in the article. The alternative to that is of course not that you would cause any harm to his immortal legacy, but rather harm your precious encyclopedia. More and more people are aware of the way you actually work. 2A02:3035:BE0:9ED3:C5FF:B1B2:B965:7C3D (talk) 06:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
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Djokovic is the world's greatest tennis player of all time!
editLegendary athletes like Lionel Messi and Lebron James are “widely regarded” as some of the best players of all time in their respective sports on Wikipedia. Both of those articles are rated as good Wikipedia articles. Meanwhile, Djokovic after winning the Olympic Singles Gold Medal is now “widely regarded” by many as the greatest tennis player of all time, including by reputable sites like Tennis.com, Sports Illustrated, Forbes, The New York Times/ The Athletic, as well as by fellow tennis legends such as Rafael Nadal and Pete Sampras. This is an excellent reason to add that he is "widely regarded" as the greatest tennis player of all time on his Wikipedia page.
Sources:
https://www.tennis.com/news/articles/olympic-gold-medal-goat-novak-djokovic-carlos-alcaraz
https://www.si.com/olympics/novak-djokovic-makes-case-greatest-living-athlete-golden-slam
https://www.si.com/tennis/2023/12/26/novak-djokovic-tennis-goat-debate-end-of-year-2023
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5177051/2024/01/10/australia-novak-djokovic-open/
https://www.tennis.com/baseline/articles/pete-sampras-calls-novak-djokovic-the-greatest-of-all-time KnowledgeNinjas (talk) 03:08, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Djokovic is also widely regarded as one of the best players of all-time in his respective sport. So no issue. As for the water cooler greatest, that has always been for fun and not really encyclopedic. Numbers alone don't tell the story or the womens goat would have been settled decades and decades ago. But Djokovic is certainly regarded as one of the best. He hasn't been able to win a Grand Slam like Laver did (twice) but he's accomplished everything else. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:44, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well for the time being I will add he is "widely regarded" as one of the greatest tennis players of all time, since everybody acknowledges that statement in the tennis community, including the media, players, coaches and Fyunck as well. Once he passes Margaret Court and stands alone for the most grand slam tournaments won, then I will add that he is "widely regarded" as the greatest tennis player of all time, since everybody will agree once that feat is accomplished. KnowledgeNinjas (talk) 02:08, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- But not in the lead. It's already in the legacy section. And just because he wins another major still doesn't do it. There is a lot more than just numbers or Emerson would have been the greatest for a long time. Has he won a Grand Slam... no. has he won two Grand Slams... no. GOAT is a water cooler thing not an encyclopedic thing. We have a legacy section for that puffery. Otherwise we have to start adding the same thing to Tilden, Laver, Federer, Nadal, etc...Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:23, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- No. You need to not be doing that. You need to be wise enough to not compare eras or foolishly give into this crowd of toxic fans. They are obsessed with Djokovic and are merely looking to pressure others into stating things as if they are a fact. "Greatest of all time" does not exist. It cannot be proven...ever. The poster below me understands that it is merely "water cooler" type talk that has no business in encyclopedias. It will never be more than conjecture. 2600:8800:4197:9400:7997:30C:9752:60A4 (talk) 08:28, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Once he reaches 65 major titles he will pass Margaret Court’s record and he should, as the knowledgeable ninja suggests, be ‘widely regarded’ as the greatest tennis player of all time. Antipodenz (talk) 06:46, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Margaret Court and her titles are complete jokes, she won the majority in the amateur era playing against a bunch of unathletic housewives. The 65 titles you are referring to are also completely irrelevant since only singles titles are to be counted when considering who is the greatest of all time. KnowledgeNinjas (talk) 15:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- While everyone is entitled to their opinions, that is a sad misinformed commentary. The amateur era affected the men, but not so much the ladies. And people can use whatever criteria they want with water cooler topics such as greatest player. It's what makes it fun. Not encyclopedic, but fun. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- How is that sad misinformed commentary considering when Margaret Court played in the 1960-1970's, women's tennis was only played by a small number of privileged elitist women living in western countries. In that period of time the vast majority of women around the world barely had rights or abilities to do anything substantial in their careers let alone play tennis. KnowledgeNinjas (talk) 22:21, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- It is sad you do not realize how great those players were. A lot of those players barely scraped by with the under-the-table money they earned and had to leave tennis early so they could eat. But this is not a blog for greatness discussions or history lessons. Take that somewhere else. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- To summarize: Serena is in her second Wikipedia sentence widely regarded as one of the greatest. For Novak there’s absolutely no chance. But it is of course Novak‘s fans who are (I assume it is scientifically proven) „toxic“, and the Wikipedia crowd supporting the above sketched outcomes is far from any toxicity, purely rational, and driven by the noblest imaginable human virtues 😇 2A02:3035:BE0:9ED3:C5FF:B1B2:B965:7C3D (talk) 07:25, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- It is sad you do not realize how great those players were. A lot of those players barely scraped by with the under-the-table money they earned and had to leave tennis early so they could eat. But this is not a blog for greatness discussions or history lessons. Take that somewhere else. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- How is that sad misinformed commentary considering when Margaret Court played in the 1960-1970's, women's tennis was only played by a small number of privileged elitist women living in western countries. In that period of time the vast majority of women around the world barely had rights or abilities to do anything substantial in their careers let alone play tennis. KnowledgeNinjas (talk) 22:21, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- While everyone is entitled to their opinions, that is a sad misinformed commentary. The amateur era affected the men, but not so much the ladies. And people can use whatever criteria they want with water cooler topics such as greatest player. It's what makes it fun. Not encyclopedic, but fun. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Margaret Court and her titles are complete jokes, she won the majority in the amateur era playing against a bunch of unathletic housewives. The 65 titles you are referring to are also completely irrelevant since only singles titles are to be counted when considering who is the greatest of all time. KnowledgeNinjas (talk) 15:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well for the time being I will add he is "widely regarded" as one of the greatest tennis players of all time, since everybody acknowledges that statement in the tennis community, including the media, players, coaches and Fyunck as well. Once he passes Margaret Court and stands alone for the most grand slam tournaments won, then I will add that he is "widely regarded" as the greatest tennis player of all time, since everybody will agree once that feat is accomplished. KnowledgeNinjas (talk) 02:08, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Oldest Men’s Olympic Tennis Champion
editThis claim is based on a Wiki page which bases its claim on some articles (ESPN for one) that are simply wrong. There were older champions than Djokovic in 1908 and thus this claim is factually incorrect and should be removed forthwith. I also encourage contributors to check such all time claims as they all too frequently confuse all-time with open-era and that is insulting to the history of the sport. 49.224.220.87 (talk) 06:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed and co-sign this change. Open era needs to be added to the sentence for it to be accurate.
- The sentence is at the end of an already enormous paragraph. The bio intro is almost 700 words alone. May open a discussion to sandbox removing the fat from the top half. Djokovic's "opposition to COVID-19 vaccine", bronze medal, or PTPA could be trimmed or removed from the intro to cut down those words, for example.
- Silent424Break (talk) 00:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)