Talk:Oil campaign of World War II

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Wikarticle chronology for Oil Campaign of World War II
User & Date	Action	Destination wikipage
15:46, 17 November 2008 Mugs2109 "History: New article on Bombing placed as section until best name can be decided"	Created new wikiarticle as temporary section: Bombing of German Oil Facilities during World War II	at the Petroleum wikiarticle
00:59, 4 December 2008 User:Mugs2109	Moved Petroleum#Bombing of German Oil Facilities during World War II section (255736439)	to create new wikiarticle at: Bombing of Nazi Germany oil facilities during World War II
16:52 & 16:55, 10 December 2008 User:Philip Baird Shearer	Renamed (moved) Bombing of Nazi Germany oil facilities during World War II	16:52- to new wikiarticle at: Bombing of Germany oil facilities during World War II 16:55- and then to: Bombing of German oil facilities during World War II (German instead of Germany)
00:15, 9 January 2009 User:Mugs2109	Separated non-German info from Bombing of German oil facilities during World War II (257273534)	to new wikiarticle: Bombing of non-German oil facilities in the WWII ETO
16:41 & 16:48 26 January 2009 User:Mugs2109	16:41- Renamed (moved) Bombing of German oil facilities during World War II, and 16:48- redirected (moved) contents of Bombing of non-German oil facilities in the WWII ETO (262862025)	to new (combined) wikiarticle at: Oil Campaign of World War II (266550771)
CHRONOLOGY FOR OIL PLAN WIKIARTICLE	A. 23:19 26 January 2009 User:Mugs2109 Added description of "oil plan" to: B. 20:08 9 February 2009 User:Lincspoacher Created new wikiarticle at: C. 18:02, 25 February 2007 User:Qxz Renamed (moved) Oil "p"lan stub to: D. 00:45, 24 March 2009 User:Mugs2109 Redirected Oil Plan stub (279227880) to:	A. Oil Campaign of World War II (265806266) and (268803166) B. Oil plan stub. C. Oil Plan stub (upper case "P"). D. Oil Campaign of World War II
CHRONOLOGY FOR CATEGORY:OIL CAMPAIGN OF WORLD WAR II	22:59, 6 March 2009 User:Mugs2109 Created new wikicategory:	Category:Oil Campaign of World War II

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mugs2109 (talk • contribs) 16:39, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

black hole effect

this article seems to be pulling lots of things into itself (eg oil plan redirect) when it ought to be spawning new articles with detailed content leaving the broader brush here.GraemeLeggett (talk) 07:28, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Content of campaign

Giving details of the campaign also means having to explain why on some occasions the campaign was not pursued with vigour despite the belief in higher echelons that it was important.GraemeLeggett (talk) 20:23, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

"One of the most famous images of World War II"

Never seen the photo before, the author of the book claims it is one of the most famous photos of WW2. May I suggest the photo caption is changed? --mgaved (talk) 20:42, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I've seen it, but the caption also mentions the aircraft lifting its starboard wing. This is wrong, the aircraft is clearly in a starboard turn and its port wing is up. I take the liberty to change this. I will also remove the passage about the image being one of the most famous photos and change into saying that it simply shows the aircraft over Ploesti. AadaamS (talk) 09:57, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I think that is a well-known image, but why create controversy over trivia?

And famous to whom? There are a lot of World War II belligerents.

It is definitely the larboard wing. Varlaam (talk) 15:53, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Ploesti

The article should mention that the _target was commonly, or perhaps usually, called Ploesti in English during this period.
Varlaam (talk) 15:57, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Harris and Panacea _targets

Harris referred to specific _targets contemptuously as "panacea _targets". This article infers that Harris was little more than a homicidal maniac who killed 50,00 aircrew and hundreds of thousands of civilians while accomplishing little militarily. Correct ? In modern terms this article presents evidence for just/intelligent war vs unjust/brainless war. Rcbutcher (talk) 09:08, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

A panacea is a solution to all things. Is it the case that Harris did not believe that attacking a single _target would be the answer to everything as the supporters of the idea claimed? Are their sources that interpret Harris' comment? GraemeLeggett (talk) 11:58, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

I think my criticism of Harris was very excessive. But yes, Harris appears to use the term Panacea to criticise the idea that attacking single particular aspects of Germany's infrastructure could be decisive in winning the war. He appears to have been wrong in hindsight - but it may not have been so clearcut at time, as he implies. I raised this because a major quality discussion of the issue would be useful here - but it is beyond my knowledge to contribute to. Rcbutcher (talk) 11:05, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm sure we can chip away at bits of the article in the meantime. GraemeLeggett (talk) 12:42, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Production

Odd, that we have monthly bomb tonnage, but not even annual figures for oil production, which after all was what the bombing was about. Jim.henderson (talk) 13:16, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

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