Talk:Pietà

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The dimensions under the photo are unbroken. Can anyone correct them?!?!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChrisHibbert (talk • contribs) 17:04, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Remove Michelangelo-specific information?

The article has a fair amount of information about the history Michelangelo Pietà in St. Peter's Basilica. It seems to me that this information should be put in the article about that specific sculpture (Pietà (Michelangelo)), instead of being here, in the article on the general art form.

Anyone mind if I remove it? I'll make sure all that information is in the artice on Michelangelo's piece. -- Narsil 23:49, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

No, go ahead. Johnbod 00:22, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Done--thanks! The info was already covered in Pietà (Michelangelo), so I just cut it from here. -- Narsil 01:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

The lead still has a lot of Michelangelo-specific discussed crammed into the lead in an inappropriate way. There's lots of subjective, unencyclopedic, unsourced interpretation of the Michelangelo pieta in the lead.--76.93.42.50 (talk) 01:51, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Article of sorrows?

This seems like an article of sorrows itself. There is too little information and a lot of confusion. The tag for references is on the talk page... should it be on the main page? There are 6 lines on a 2 minute film of no special artistic value in the Extensions section, while the lead itself is about 15 lines. The Extensions section seems to be in total chaos and I would call it a rummage sale section. That section is mostly reference free. At the very least, the paintings and statues should be separated in the gallery, to start the chaos removal process. And I suggest trimming away the fluff in the extensions section since it has close to zero encyclopedic value. History2007 (talk) 04:53, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup of low quality images !?

We have too many images in the article, many low quality. We could make some cleanup of this. --PetarM (talk) 08:41, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

- Show mercy?

I just saw an iconic, Italian horror movie; Mario Bava's 'Black Sabbath' from 1963, where a woman gets down on her knees in front of a living dead woman who's about to kill her, shouting (with her hands together as in prayer) "Pietà! Pietà!", which was translated into "Show mercy! Show mercy!" in the subs.

Any comment?

Besserwissern (talk) 05:18, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

"Sole privilege"

The lead makes it read like Mary is always unaccompanied in such a work, however many Pietas, most notably Michelangelo and de Notre Dame de Paris, have instead depicted her flanked by Cherubim to accentuate the holiness of the image. How can this information be included in the lead? Orchastrattor (talk) 17:48, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I had a go. The ref link is dead btw. Johnbod (talk) 18:04, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

The bit about donor portraits is interesting, but in either case I think what the original was trying to say was that it is unique for allowing Mary to mourn him without the accompaniment of his other followers, in which sense non-corporeal spirits like the angels or deliberately non-canonical figures like the donors can still be included without contradicting how unique this type of lamentation is to Mary. Orchastrattor (talk) 22:33, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

How "unique"? The Lamentation is a group subject; the Pietà a simplified version with only two figures (plus the odd angel). But this distinction is not always observed in the names used for pieces. Johnbod (talk) 01:44, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Unique in the sense that none of the other Lamentation figures have a standalone archetype attached to them like Mary does. I don't have access to the source either but my interpretation would be that it was discussing the core image of the two figures as granting Mary that "sole privilege" and that the other depictions we've discussed are ornamentations of that core image the source wasn't as concerned with identifying. Orchastrattor (talk) 17:29, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I very much doubt it talked about "sole privilege" at all - not art history language, but devotional. It is clear (see the articles) that the Lamentation is an older subject, also found in Byzantine art, & the Pieta came later, as an andachtsbilder adaptation. Both are widespread iconographic types, & the use of "unique" is likely to mislead readers. Johnbod (talk) 18:04, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

You can see from this that the "sole privilege" bit was added at some point after the now-dead ref. Johnbod (talk) 18:09, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh, yes - by this ip. Johnbod (talk) 18:12, 30 April 2024 (UTC)