Talk:Restoration (Spain)

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Set up the page today, I'll add to it later, as I've been studying this in my History lessons.

The Regency of Maria Cristina was between the years 1833 and 1840. When her husband, Ferdinand VII died in 1833, she became regent for their 3 year old daughter Isabella. She was forced to resign the regency by the Liberals led by Baldomero Espartero in 1840 and he became regent in her place.

The consequences of 1898

Copied from Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2007 September 11 for processing. --Ghirla^-трёп- 20:58, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

For the Spanish the final loss of what reamained of their once huge overseas empire brought on a deep mood of national introspection. It was El Disastre, a 'time of lies and infamy', so said Antonio Machado, one of the Generation of 98. Over 60,000 men had died in the conflict, mostly of disease; and as the troops arrived home one weekly newspaper declared that "...they bring us something more terrible than the plague, anamemia, dysentery or tuberculosis. They bring with them the truth." Some retreated into what was called 'Regenerationism', which on the one had called for a new emphasis on old Spanish 'values', of home, of church and of fatherland, while on the other denouncing the perceived moral and 'racial' failures of the Spaniards. The whole tendency was condemned by Miguel de Unamuno, amongst others, as 'morbid and masochistic.' But there were positive solutions put forward in answer to the 'problem of Spain', solutions that looked towards reshaping attitudes and institutions. Ortega y Gasset declared that Spain "Should create, not just absorb from abroad."

I suppose in the end the real problem comes down to one simple fact: Spain became an Empire before it became a Nation. The final loss of the Empire began a new quest for the Nation, an exploration of political and cultural identity. But there were huge problems, gaps in the political fabric too wide to be mended. Unamuno predicted "With the empire lost and confined within our own home, we will soon have to confront two social problems that would will absorb all of the rest: that posed by the working-class movement and that posed by the regionalist movement." The regionalist movement became pronounced in Catalonia, the most economically advanced part of the country, forward-looking and optimistic; a place that began to think of itself as 'the nation' and of Spain merely as 'the state'. But the state, and the the monarchy remained tied to worn-out dreams. Having learned little or nothing from the disasters of '98, Spain joined France in a colonial campaign in Morocco, whose long-term consequences were to be equally bad. It deepend the fissures within Spanish society, increasing working-class hostility towards the army, with bloody consequences in the Tragic Week of 1909. Just over the horizon of history an even greater tragedy was beginning to take shape. Clio the Muse 02:05, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Requested move 17 February 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) — Paper9oll (📣 • 📝) 16:13, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

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Restoration (Spain) → Bourbon Restoration in Spain – Per WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION and WP:CONSISTENT for consistency with the article title Bourbon Restoration in France. Rreagan007 (talk) 03:58, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose Harmonization with the historical period of a third country is not a compelling rationale by any means (it goes both ways too, this enciclopedia is not French-centric); blindly following that criteria is actually a recipe for disaster. The topic is widely known as the Restoration, of which is clearly WP:PRIMARY for "Restoration (Spain)", and current title is more WP:CONCISE and equally descriptive (other periods which may hold a flimsy pretense to challenge the PRIMARY topic status for "Restoration (Spain)" also happen to be "Bourbon").--Asqueladd (talk) 14:41, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

It may well be known more as "the Restoration", just like the Stuart Restoration is also more commonly known as the "Restoration", but that article was moved 2 days ago for natural disambiguation reasons. The standard title formatting for monarch restoration articles is now House Restoration, and there's no reason why his article title should not be made WP:CONSISTENT with all the others. Rreagan007 (talk) 03:32, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

What article are you talking about? We are assessing the common name for this article (and if it is concise and precise enough vis-à-vis the compromise between WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and the potential existence of alternative possible _targets for "Restoration (Spain)", and, let me assure you, the Stuart Restoration is not one of them). Period. Nobody should be interested on your insight on the historiographical coverage of the Stuart Restoration, as it means nothing here. Nothing. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Renaming articles of historical periods from disparate locations (each one with its own historiographical context, treatment and corpus of sources) to mimic each other just for the sake of a greater "cosmic balance" or whatnot is just like the worst idea ever, and if that's the sole intention behind this request it should be speedily closed on a procedural basis. This dubious proposal also seems to be funnelling the misguided idea that the primary scope of this article concerns a punctual act of restoration, which does not (that was the coup d'etat of Sagunto), and not a regime or a historical period of a given country, as in "let's rename all the articles about a monarch returning to throne that have Restoration in the title the same way", oblivious to the fact that the articles' scope may span to far-wider reaches and have its "own life". The proposed changes bring no further delimitation of the topic and go against WP:CONCISE. If the topic isn't deemed the _target par excellence of any (Bourbon) Restoration in Spain (I think it is indeed the _target par excellence of any "Restoration (Spain)" as per coverage of sources using the term, as neither the Bourbon restoration of 1813 neither the Bourbon restoration of 1975 are framed on such basis to the same order of magnitude in historiography, and that's the case I am making here: the current setup is concise and fine) a name such as "Restoration (Spain, 1874–1931)" or something like that may be discussed.--Asqueladd (talk) 10:44, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

• Support. It will also be consistent with the corresponding Spanish and French Wikipedia articles. Vpab15 (talk) 22:29, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per Asqueladd. Plus the following reasons: 1) However this is called in the Spanish and French wikis is not our concern. There is not any requirement for us to be "consistent" with other wikiprojects, since we have our own policies and guidelines. 2) "Bourbon Restoration in Spain" is gramatically incorrect. If anything, it should be "Bourbon restoration in Spain". When capitalized, "Restoration" is used as a proper noun on its own much more frequently than not, being the clear WP:COMMONNAME. 3) The current title meets WP:CONCISE better than the proposal (plus, the latter would be more precise than required to identify it). 4) Unlike in France, there have been other "Bourbon restorations in Spain": 1813 and 1975 should quickly come to your mind when thinking of the expression, but only the 1875 one is known as "the Restoration". Impru20^talk 22:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

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Absolute monarchy?

Was there a absolute monarchy between 1923-1930? There is no source on the article and nothing in the article says that the constitution was changed to grant the King absolute power instead it says “Primo de Rivera proceeded to suspend the Constitution and assume absolute powers as a dictator.” ImperatorPanda 17:19, 2 June 2021, (UTC)

I was just confused by exactly this, at no point in time did Alfonso XIII rule as an absolute monarch. It seems like on 16 March Oliver de Rodriguez changed it from "Autocratic monarchy" (also inaccurate) to "Absolute monarchy" without explanation. I also have no idea where JTDG2005 got any of the information that they added to the infobox in June, also without explanation, as it is not only largely inaccurate but has turned the "government" section of the infobox into word salad. Adding "authoritarian" next to "military dictatorship" seems pretty redundant, as does adding "Catholic" into the form of government when Roman Catholicism is already listed as the state religion. I went ahead and reverted a bunch of the changes and altered it to reflect a more accurate and comprehensible reading of the history, but I'm more than happy to discuss this further if there are any objections--Grnrchst (talk) 18:16, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Add content from Contemporary history of Spain article?

The Restoration section of Contemporary history of Spain is longer and more in-depth than this article. That article is also tagged with WP:SIZE issues. I propose splitting some of the content from that section into this article, though I don't know where to start -- I first came here just to copy edit. ~ Malvoliox (talk) 16:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)