Talk:Tāmaki Makaurau

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"...a thousand lovers"? A hundred surely? Or is this mistranslation in fact the popular version? Or is it merely translating an impressively large number with another impressively large number? Koro Neil (talk) 11:32, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Proposed split

My reading of the matter is that the 1999 to 2002 electorate was a different one, and the change was not merely a name change. Schwede66 19:49, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Qualified Support It surprised me that this electorate article had subsumed the Hauraki Maori electorate. Also, there aren't any MMP results for Hauraki here, or anywhere else either? However, we need to be carefully with the naming, because Hauraki (New Zealand electorate) also refers to a general electorate (1928 to 1972, 1981 to 1987 and 1993 to 1996) which was sometimes called Coromandel. That page is also an indication of a precedent, that a new electorate name leads to new Wikipedia article (the Coromandel and Hauraki general electorates do not share a page). Ridcully Jack (talk) 21:35, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

It's not unusual for there to be no MMP results; you will hardly find any 1999 electorate-level MMP results on Wikipedia Schwede66 22:05, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Qualified Support I am against any naming that doesn't follow the standard Foo (New Zealand electorate) since it compromises templates and breaks convention (your suggestion on the project page would mean templates would point to a #REDIRECT of Hauraki (Māori electorate) (New Zealand electorate). I would support Hauraki Māori (New Zealand electorate), or similar. It may be a bit of a fudge, but the problem lies with elections.govt.nz in bizarrely recycling an electorate name in such an inappropriate manner. FanN | talk | 08:17, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Since the old Hauraki Maori electorate isn't particularly important, I've changed my support to the same qualified support; the name of the new page has to be chosen to work with the templates as seamlessly as possible (even if it's a little clumsy). Ridcully Jack (talk) 08:46, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

I have no qualms with the article name, even if it's clumsy. To me, the important thing is that it gets done; I just wanted to make sure that my reading of the situation is right, and that it's not a rather unusual case of the electorate having been renamed without an underlying geographic shift. Schwede66 09:17, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

The electorate definitely changed when the name changed; it went as far as Coromandel under the old Hauraki name. I'm having difficulty finding a primary source to cite for my recollection though. Ridcully Jack (talk) 10:13, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

The only reason the 1999 Hauraki electorate was appended here was that its natural name was already occupied by the general electorate of Hauraki - since it didn't have a unique logical namespace it was orphaned to this article. If we're in agreement that a suitable name can be applied then by all means proceed with it ... I notice the election table is already sandboxed. FanN | talk | 11:12, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

request move

I think that the title of this article should be changed to "Tāmaki Makaurau (electorate)" because the primary topic for "Tāmaki Makaurau" is Auckland.Abbreviated derail hysteria disorder (talk) 08:55, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Well, a hatnote currently deals with it so that should be fine. However, if this title is going to be turned into a redirect, then the dab should be "New Zealand electorate" to be consistent with all other New Zealand electorates that need a dab. Schwede66 20:49, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

I agree with Abbreviated derail hysteria disorder. The way it is currently is confusing and misleading. E James Bowman (talk) 00:10, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 6 January 2025

Tāmaki Makaurau → Tāmaki Makaurau (New Zealand electorate) – Per the discussion above, I believe Auckland is the primary topic. Tāmaki Makaurau and Tāmaki (the short form of the name) are used a fair bit in English as well as the Māori language so having the electorate be the undisambiguated name is counterintuitive.  novov talk edits 01:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support It makes more sense for this title to redirect to Auckland as that is the primary topic. Schwede66 04:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support, the Māori name is used alongside Auckland in some sources about the city, so it is reasonable to redirect it to the city rather than the electorate using the Māori name for the city. DankJae 19:43, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose a hat note is fine.

Wikinav [1] shows low click through with said click through only making up 0.27% of Auckland's page views. We can't tell whether people clicking through to Auckland are doing so because they were looking for Auckland or if they are simply clicking through to the area the electorate is based upon either. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

How many people arrived at the page knowing it was about the electorate though? A third of views are from internal links, and if someone searched for it both via Google and Vector 2022 they would be shown a descriptive blurb indicating that it’s about the electorate before they click. WikiNav is helpful but it is in no way the be all and end all; usage among sources clearly shows that the electorate isn’t the primary topic  novov talk edits 22:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

A topic is primary if it is the most likely article people are looking for when searching for a term. Someone looking for Auckland will just search for Auckland, so it doesn't really matter if it appears in more sources if it isn't being used as a search term. If it were being used as a search term one would expect a much higher click through rate. The 1/3rd views being from internal links isn't incredibly far off the Auckland article and I am not sure what you are suggesting with it. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:04, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Per WP:PTOPIC, that is only one common criterion that determines a primary topic, and that doesn't negate my point that there's a good chance that people searching for the city (or more likely, the meaning of the name if they are unfamiliar with it and hear it somewhere) would see the descriptive blurb and stop before a click is recorded. WikiNav is useful, but it doesn't conclusively prove the proportions of what people are looking for.  novov talk edits 04:20, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. I am not seeing convincing evidence or argument that many readers are coming here when they really want the article about Auckland. The present hatnote is fine for those that do. Parenthetical disambiguators are a necessary evil sometimes, but not necessary in this case. Nurg (talk) 22:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support clearly primary topic over the electorate. Excluding the page itself, only 4/49 results from the first five pages of a Google search for "Tāmaki Makaurau" are for the electorate, on Google Scholar there appear to be no references in the first 6 pages of sources, similar situation on Google News. --Prosperosity (talk) 02:51, 10 January 2025 (UTC)