Talk:Takapuna

Economy section naming businesses that are not notable

The Economy section needs to be reworked with more generic content rather than listing named businesses. The exception would be for businesses that meet Wikipedia's notability criteria in their own right and have a notable connection to Takapuna. Duncnbiscuit (talk) 10:22, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Merger Discussion

Request received to merge articles: Westlake, New Zealand into Takapuna; dated: January 2025. Proposer's Rationale: Despite Westlake being a recorded locality in the New Zealand Gazetteer and listed on the Auckland Council website, there is no ongoing presence of Westlake as a distinct suburb in print media or scholarly media. All mentions of Westlake in Papers Past that I can find refer to either Westlake Girls High School or Westlake Boys High School (both of whom identify as being in Takapuna [1][2]). I genuinely can't find any sources that refer to this location as a suburb outside of the New Zealand Gazetteer; nothing in online news, no major locations west of Lake Pupuke (e.g. Smales Farm, North Shore Hospital appear to mention being in Westlake. The small scattering of sources that mention Westlake at all talk about it as a subsection of Takapuna ([3] qualifies locations as 'Westlake Girls high school, Takapuna' and 'Westlake High School North Shore', [4] emission source at Westlake, Takapuna). I can't see how this article could ever be expanded without being a content fork. Prosperosity (talk) 05:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Stats NZ put Westlake into an SA3 with Milford, not Takapuna. I don't object to a merge, and don't have a view on which way it should go.-Gadfium (talk) 05:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I support a merger due to lack of secondary sources and thus no ability for the article to comply with policy, although this standard would result in many other articles being merged that you've opposed. Traumnovelle (talk) 06:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I support a merger, but would suggest that Westlake should be merged into Milford, New Zealand and not into Takapuna. The LINZ Gazetteer shows Milford as encompassing Westlake. I note that, according to the gazetteer, Westlake Boys is in located Forrest Hill and Westlake Girls is in Takapuna, which also seems intuitively right to me. Paora (talk) 06:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Looking at the editing history notes on Westlake, New Zealand, it seems that as of 2013 Westlake was a larger unit, but its area was split into Westlake (within SA3 Milford) and Takapuna West (within SA3 Takapuna). This explains why it's ambiguous whether to merge into Milford or Takapuna... Also, looking at the map of statistical areas (select the appropriate layer), it seems that while Westlake Girls High School is now in SA2 Takapuna West, Westlake Boys High School is actually in SA2 Forrest Hill West (!), within SA3 Forrest Hill. Now, another editing history note, the one which reverted the redirect from Westlake to Takapuna (leading to this merger discussion), notes that Westlake "Gained a distinct identity in 1953". It seems to me that there's a case for Westlake being at least a historic suburb, even if its area has by now been divided between the three neighboring units. But we would need historical print media for confirmation. Slovborg (talk) 16:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Statistical areas aren't official boundaries which is why they fluctuate. Westlake was historically part of Takapuna and that would make the most sense for a merge. Merging into Milford would just be bizarre and confusing. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Westlake was historically part of Takapuna Slovborg (talk) 19:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

https://kura.aucklandlibraries.govt.nz/digital/collection/maps/id/54/rec/26 Traumnovelle (talk) 20:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm going through the maps on the same site right now... I'll add:

1. a 1924 map of Borough of Takapuna, showing the area of Westlake included
2. a 1958 map of North Shore, showing the area of Westlake included in Takapuna Borough, the two schools already marked on the map, Westford itself not marked (but Milford is marked already)
3. a 1966 map of North Shore, showing Westlake as a locality within Takapuna City, like Milford
4. a 1979 map of North Shore, again with Westlake labeled

So, yes, Westlake was historically created from a part of Takapuna, but so was Milford. Why should Westlake specifically be removed from the records? Slovborg (talk) 20:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Because no secondary sources providing coverage have been identified thus this article will continue to violate policy until one is found. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

All right... can someone go to the Central City Library & obtain this record, then? Slovborg (talk) 21:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I can request it but it isn't an RS so wouldn't be able to be used in the article. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Well, from my computer on the other side of the world, the most I can do at this point is provide another reference I found via google books; Reed, A. W. (1975). Place Names of New Zealand. p. 467: Westlake: Auckland, a suburb on the north shore. The suburb was named in 1953 because it was west of Lake Pupuke. At the time the proposal came forward, such diverse suggestions as Lochside, Glen Holly, Rahui, and Round-the-Lake were made. I hope that this & other information I've provided at least helps show that the claim that there's been no "presence of Westlake as a distinct suburb in print media or scholarly media" is unsound, even if it's hard to find much because the news items are absolutely dominated by the schools. I'd prefer if something more recent could be found; alas, my keyboard wrangling skills only get me this far. Slovborg (talk) 21:37, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Oh, I don't agree with that claim. But the issue is the lack of secondary sources to support a stand alone article, which applies to multiple articles. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

For those suggesting that merging Westlake into Milford is "bizarre", please consult the following maps from the LINZ Gazetteer:

• Map showing location of Westlake
• Map showing extent of Milford
• Map showing extent of Takapuna

Paora (talk) 21:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Except Westlake isn't a tiny dot. Sources identify it as Takapuna: [5] and the whole area was part of Takapuna historically. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

"Advertising material showing two maps of lots for sale in Westlake, Takapuna, in the area now known as Milford." Slovborg (talk) 00:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

One final suggestion of where to look. The article for Milford, New Zealand lists

• Bartlett, Jean (2001). Takapuna: People and Places (2nd ed.). Auckland: North Shore City Council. ISBN 978-0-473-07877-5. OCLC 973591276. Wikidata Q123755661.
• Verran, David (2010). The North Shore: An Illustrated History. North Shore: Random House. ISBN 978-1-86979-312-8. OCLC 650320207. Wikidata Q120520385.

in sources & they are referenced multiple times in the article. If anyone can obtain that & add necessary references into the Westlake article, it would be appreciated. Slovborg (talk) 14:28, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Slovborg: I used these two sources to add to the Takapuna/Milford pages, and neither mentioned Westlake based on my notes (in fact, it was processing these books that led me to redirect the page back in 2023, due to a lack of information). --Prosperosity (talk) 23:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)