This article is within the scope of WikiProject Yoga, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Yoga, Hatha yoga, Yoga as exercise and related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.YogaWikipedia:WikiProject YogaTemplate:WikiProject YogaYoga
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Hinduism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Hinduism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.HinduismWikipedia:WikiProject HinduismTemplate:WikiProject HinduismHinduism
This article falls within the scope of WikiProject Buddhism, an attempt to promote better coordination, content distribution, and cross-referencing between pages dealing with Buddhism. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page for more details on the projects.BuddhismWikipedia:WikiProject BuddhismTemplate:WikiProject BuddhismBuddhism
This article is within the scope of WikiProject India, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of India-related topics. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page.IndiaWikipedia:WikiProject IndiaTemplate:WikiProject IndiaIndia
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Nepal, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Nepal-related topics. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page and add your name to the member's list.NepalWikipedia:WikiProject NepalTemplate:WikiProject NepalNepal
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Alternative views, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of significant alternative views in every field, from the sciences to the humanities. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion.Alternative viewsWikipedia:WikiProject Alternative viewsTemplate:WikiProject Alternative viewsAlternative views
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Religion, a project to improve Wikipedia's articles on Religion-related subjects. Please participate by editing the article, and help us assess and improve articles to good and 1.0 standards, or visit the wikiproject page for more details.ReligionWikipedia:WikiProject ReligionTemplate:WikiProject ReligionReligion
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Occult, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles related to the occult on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.OccultWikipedia:WikiProject OccultTemplate:WikiProject OccultOccult
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Sexology and sexuality, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of human sexuality on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Sexology and sexualityWikipedia:WikiProject Sexology and sexualityTemplate:WikiProject Sexology and sexualitySexology and sexuality
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Spirituality, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of spirituality-related subjects on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SpiritualityWikipedia:WikiProject SpiritualityTemplate:WikiProject SpiritualitySpirituality
Latest comment: 1 year ago5 comments3 people in discussion
OK, so we have Tantric sex, which covers both Buddhist and Hindu Tantra; and Maithuna, which is a widely-used Sanskrit term for the same thing in Hinduism but also in Buddhism, and Karmamudrā which is another Sanskrit term for the same thing, in Tibetan Buddhism. Given the overlaps, perhaps these should all be merged. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:37, 16 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
Oppose: Maithuna stands for copulation, intercourse or union, even marriage in Hinduism [1]. It is a broad term in Hinduism and not restricted to Tantric sex. Mithuna[2] also stands for pairs. --RedtigerxyzTalk09:43, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
That's not what the lead of the article says. "is a Sanskrit term for sexual intercourse within Tantric sex, or alternatively for the sexual fluids generated or the couple participating in the ritual." The claims you make are not discussed anywhere in the article. Unless you are planning to expand the article to include all the other uses? But Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Skyerise (talk) 12:22, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
Well, some years on, I hesitate. This is for the fact that "tantric sex" has a non-scholarly modern sense which has little to do with Tantra, Buddhism, or Hinduism, and much to do with "new age" practices in the Western world. So the article's scope is rather doubtful: should the "new age tantric sex" practices be a separate article, or a section of this one? The phrase in the Maithuna lead does rather beg the question what "within Tantric sex" would actually mean, as the two phrases could be taken as synonyms, or "tantric sex" could be a disambiguation page to cover its various meanings. I guess I'd best say I oppose the merge at this point, as the articles need thought and careful rework to avoid confusion. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:51, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
Just because it is a "critical term" doesn't mean in can't be discussed in an article that puts it in context. Many terms are. This article suffers from having much of the detail offloaded to Panchamakara, the five Ms, and even then, one of them is offloaded yet again to Maithuna. So we don't even have complete and comprehensive coverage of the five M's in Panchamakara, so it doubly suffers from not being presented in context and not including comprehensive coverage of the most important M. I mean "maithuna" is essentially presented as a synonym for "tantric sex", so why is it under the the Hindu term rather than the English one. Both Panchamakara and Maithuna should simply redirect to the Hindu section of this article. Skyerise (talk) 12:32, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
Oppose: Panchamakara (5 components, one of which is Maithuna) must not be merged into either "Tantric sex" or "Maithuna" because its scope is wider: it is not principally about sex. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:42, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
This articles Hinduism section claims that Panchamakara and Maithuna are the main articles for the section, but doesn't even summarize them properly. If this article is not fleshed out with actual content, then I will likely propose it for deletion when these merge discussions are over. It is essentially content free, having offloaded all the details to separate articles. If I'd just gone ahead and done the merge, nobody would have complained. Skyerise (talk) 13:03, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 1 year ago1 comment1 person in discussion
The history section contains little actual history and instead seems to mostly consist of Western academic opinions about whether tantrics ejaculate or not. It seems to ,e that the history should be properly organized and the Western academic theories should be relocated to their own section following the presentation of the history and the forms. That is, the the end of the article after the Hindu and Buddhist sections. Skyerise (talk) 13:33, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
