Talk:Territorial evolution of Poland

Polish borders

Please see my comments at Template talk:Polish borders.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  17:59, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

There are several weeknesses in this maps.

1. The Kingdom of polen 1916 till 1918 is not shown 2. Stettin changed not at once it was given in autom 1945 to Polen 3. till 1990 the german terretorys where not part of polen it was militaryoccupation simelar to the West Banks only without Germans

Johann — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.39.84.178 (talk) 15:37, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Requested move

See Talk:Territorial changes of Germany#Requested move

I added some minor changes

Including the presence of Polish minority in Recovered Territories, as Germanisation was not completed and some Polish communites managed to survive.--Molobo (talk) 20:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Changed Format

Changed format to match the Territorial evolution of Canada -- Esemono (talk) 07:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Overy, ibid

A reference is used where all that is cited is, "Overy, ibid". What does that mean? I'm assuming Overy is refering to Richard Overy and ibid of course means: Ibid (Latin, short for ibidem, "the same place") is the term used to provide an endnote or footnote citation or reference for a source that was cited in the preceding endnote or footnote. But the same as what reference? Which of Overy books is the information from? -- Esemono (talk) 10:58, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I think you need to look through article's history and see who added the reference, and ask them.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:26, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

It was added by an IP:98.113.158.57 on 00:05, 8 December 2008 [1] as a big chunk. And it looks like it was copied from somewhere else like Expulsion of Germans after World War II.-- Esemono (talk) 23:46, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Most likely. I think we can use this source on good faith.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 01:31, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

no, not really. It would be better not to use ibid, etc. but to make a shortened reference to the book title, and the page number. there is a wiki manual somewhere that prefers this kind of reference rather than the overtly scholarly ibid. Most users won't search the history (don't know how, don't care). --Auntieruth55 (talk) 21:19, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Old version

In the old version of this page there was an entry for:

• 1949 - Small transfer made to Germany
• 1951 - Small exchange made to Czechoslovakia.

But I can't find any info on these border adjustments, so I've removed them. -- Esemono (talk) 02:22, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello, The initial map of Poland's changing boundaries is wonderful. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Territorial-changes-of-Poland-1635-2009-small.gif

There is one problem that I noticed, which is not directly related to Poland, but is still relevant and can be easily fixed.

this is the error in the depiction of the "Memelgebiet". This region is shown as part of Germany (Weimar and Nazi) through WW II, but in fact, it was Allied administered after the Versailles Treaty (1919) and was then taken over by Lithuania in 1923, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaip%C4%97da_Revolt Then, in April 1939, the area was "returned to the Reich" after a Diktat by Nazi Germany, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_German_ultimatum_to_Lithuania Thus it remained during WW II, and in 1945, this area was annexed by the USSR along with the so-called "Kaliningrad Oblast". So the 1919, 1923, and 1939 maps (and any intermediate ones) should be edited to show this region accurately. Thanks you for your consideration. Jtelser (talk) 13:09, 26 August 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jtelser (talk • contribs)

There should be no Poland

I removed the following as it clashes with the later sentence, "While other groups migrated, the Polanie remained in situ along the Vistula, from the river's sources to its estuary at the Baltic Sea.[6] There is no other European nation centred to such an extent on one river." -- Esemono (talk) 02:19, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Historian Norman Davies argues that "despite Poles' fervent belief in the macierz or 'motherland', it is impossible to identify any fixed territorial base which has been permanently, exclusively and inalienably Polish". -- Davies, Norman (2005). God's Playground. A History of Poland. Volume I: The Origins to 1795. Oxford: Oxford University Press. p. 24.

Is this page really still just start class?

It has some pretty decent mapping and a finely graded breakout of years. Admittedly, territorial changes of Poland are quite complex. Just wondering what specifically is lacking to at least upgrade to a C grade article, but then that is perhaps best taken up at the MilHis Project. Geofferybard (talk) 21:09, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

992 Map: Marchia Wschodnia?

I don't speak Polish but the Polish Wiki article under the title of "Marchia Wschodnia" refers to the Saxon Eastern March. The map here has Austria labelled as Marchia Wschodnia which is... weird.

Is this perhaps a misunderstanding resulting from the Nazi-German term Ostmark for Austria after the Anschluss?

On a more general note, an English Version of this map would be great as this is the English Wiki after all. There do seem to be quite a few Poles with perfectly fluent English around here... :)

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Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth

I think it was a federation between the two countries Poland and Lithuania, it was not only Poland. Yamanigito Inichi (talk) 19:35, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

It was only Poland.

There was 1 king. Polish history is a bit complicated but by the law there was 1 country.

Regards from Poland 2A00:F41:B8A8:FF23:0:52:3A98:501 (talk) 00:57, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

According to the article about it on Wikipedia English then no, one sovereign state but two countries:

• Poland–Lithuania, formally known as the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and also referred to as the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth or the First Polish Republic, was a bi-confederal state, sometimes called a federation, of Poland and Lithuania ruled by a common monarch in real union, who was both King of Poland and Grand Duke of Lithuania. It was one of the largest and most populous countries of 16th- to 17th-century Europe. At its largest territorial extent, in the early 17th century, the Commonwealth covered almost 1,000,000 km2 (400,000 sq mi) and as of 1618 sustained a multi-ethnic population of almost 12 million. Polish and Latin were the two co-official languages, and Catholicism served as the state religion.
• The Commonwealth was established as a single entity by the Union of Lublin on 1 July 1569. The two nations had previously been in a personal union since the Krewo Agreement of 1385 and the subsequent marriage of Queen Jadwiga of Poland to Grand Duke Jogaila of Lithuania, who was crowned jure uxoris King of Poland. Their descendant, Sigismund II Augustus, enforced the merger to strengthen frontiers of his dominion and maintain unity as he remained childless. His death in 1572 marked the end of the Jagiellonian dynasty and introduced an elective monarchy, whereupon members of domestic noble families or external dynasties were elected to the throne for life.

Yamanigito Inichi (talk) 02:29, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I hadn't noticed yet, it turns out that according to the article, this country is also called the First Polish Republic. Yamanigito Inichi (talk) 02:40, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

But I still keep my point now. Yamanigito Inichi (talk) 13:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was a single entity that was composed of several parts, out of which Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania were the most important. Marcelus (talk) 09:13, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

It included two countries, Poland and Lithuania. Anyway, you confirm my point. Yamanigito Inichi (talk) 12:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Maybe I should think openly and consider this a Polish state. Yamanigito Inichi (talk) 13:56, 9 September 2024 (UTC)