Talk:Timeline of the Kashmir conflict

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This article, especially post-1980, seems too biased against India. Even if all that is true (and it isnt even cited), there is no mention of any Pakistani actions (positive or negative) for over a 20 year period... I mean, there is no possible way that Nothing happened in Pakistani Kashmir for that period of time...

FoolFromHell (talk) 12:08, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

The article is highly POV from Pakistani side. There are only references to Indian occupied Kashmir and Pakistani administered Kashmir. This is not balanced. I suggest changing all these references to Indian administered Kashmir and Pakistani administered Kashmir for a more balanced viewpoint. Naveenswiki (talk) 20:58, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

2600 dead bodies found in Mountains of Kashmir

December 2, 2009 Human rights orginization found 2600 dead bodies in mountains of Kashmir.In those dead bodies more than 1 dozen were militants and all other were thousands innocents civilians.All those were killed by indian security forces. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091202/ap_on_re_as/as_kashmir_nameless_graves Please add this news in these pages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurgency_in_Jammu_and_Kashmir http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Kashmir_conflict —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.152.86.156 (talk) 09:19, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Providing more NPOV perspective on this issue from the article. Quotes from the article.

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Researchers from the International People's Tribunal on Human Rights and Justice, an Indian Kashmir-based rights group, said they found the graves in 55 villages during a three-year survey that concluded last month.
"We're not saying who is in each grave. But we're saying these are unnamed graves and its imperative to investigate the issue by an independent international body," said Angna Chatterji, one of the group's members.
The report also said it found evidence of 47 civilians being killed by security forces, who later claimed they were militants. Human rights workers have complained for years that innocent people have disappeared and been killed by government forces in staged gunbattles.
Officials have said in the past that many militants have been killed in fighting with security forces and bodies are often buried in unmarked graves.
The government also says most of those who have disappeared are young Kashmiris who crossed into neighboring Pakistani-controlled Kashmir for weapons training.

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I don't agree with the statement made above that "In those dead bodies more than 1 dozen were militants and all other were thousands innocents civilians.All those were killed by indian security forces." This is just POV. The facts as stated by the article are being distorted. The actual findings can be added. Naveenswiki (talk) 20:08, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

@ naveenswiki neither do i agree that there is a fair neautrality in this, it is too pro india POV bised, i suggest we evolve a common ground, rather than complain. wikipedia is public, anyone can come and edit, why dont u go and create your own page... cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by Syedtalha (talk • contribs) 18:07, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

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Copyright violations

With this edit I have removed several wholesale copyright violations. There may be more violations: I stopped checking before December 2, 2009. Editors are encouraged to read and understand the Wikipedia policy Wikipedia:Copyright violations. Strictly speaking someone needs to apply the tag {{Close paraphrase|date=July 2010}} to some sections that while not word for word copypasta, are rather close paraphrases of news sources. Also an admin might need to remove the violations from the article history. For anyone interested in helping reduce the problem of copyright violations in Wikipedia, please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Copyright Cleanup. -84user (talk) 17:34, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Update There were too many Wikipedia:Copyright violations to tag and/or cleanup so I reverted the article back two years to this version. I considered nominating it for deltion for a fresh re-start but this revision might be clean enough. For example of where a lot of text was copy and pasted see http://www.pakalert.net/articles/kashmir_dispute.asp (from 2002) and unattributed {{close paraphrasing}} was made from http://www.kashmiri-cc.ca/kashmir.htm (1998). Because the source web pages are older than the earliest wikipedia revision it seems highly likely the text was copied from the web to wikipedia. I could be wrong though, and the author of those web pages was the same as the IP address that inserted the material. -84user (talk) 18:26, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Article Name : Time-line of the Kashmir

Your article 'Time-line of the Kashmir Article' is extremely misleading. This is totally neglecting the history and facts before 1846. There is no reference of the Hindu and Buddhist rules prior to Muslims. India was fully a Hindu ruled state, extending till Cambodia too. Buddhism and Islam came later. I respect Wikipedia for all references. But i was shocked to see a misleading content. As per your article it is very easy to interpret that Hindus invaded all the regions. Hinduism is still the only religion that does not send missionaries for forcible conversion or preaching. This really aches the sentiments of the Hindus who are living as minorities in there own land, as the Government is calling itself a Secular country. Are you aware of the Hindu pundits burned alive by Muslim terrorist? Are you aware of the Kashmir Pundits still living in poverty in Delhi and other places? Are you aware of Hindus being suppressed in their own country, due to Political pressure? Are you aware that the Indian government pays the Financially backward Muslim for their Holy trip, 'Haj'. Are you aware that there is no such facility for Hindus who wish to visit Kasi, Haridwar, Hindus Holy places? Are you aware of so many Hindus termed as forward Castes and losing their opportunities to their Muslim and Christian counterparts? Please ensure correct facts before posting sensitive issues. 58.68.68.242 (talk) 08:50, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

This is article is completely biased and needs immediate editing. It has been put to spread mis-information about the Indian state of J&K. There is no mention of Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. Role of China in whole dispute. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amlendu.dubey (talk • contribs) 05:59, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

This article has no references and magically starts the timeline in the 19th century. Was their no Kashmir before that or no dispute? Neither is true. Right now it reads like amateur propoganda. I have marked POV and Cleanup Puck42 (talk) 17:45, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

New additions

@Vamsee614: To elaborate on my revert:

• The entries need to be succinct. Need to state plain facts. No interpretations needed here. This list is more like an index into the full articles on various subjects.
• No unnecessary verbiage such as "said to be rigged". If there is disagreement about it, please raise it here.
• Primary sources should be generally avoided. You can't cite the constitution, you can only quote it. Better to use reliable secondary sources such as Noorani.
• The tense should be appropriate for the date, i.e., present tense in most cases.

Please feel free to correct these problems and reinstate the good parts. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:03, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

• Thanks, I'm on it. :-) — Vamsee614 (talk) 21:05, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Why does the timeline of the Kashmir conflict go back all the way to 1846?

The Kashmir conflict article states that it (the Kashmir conflict) began in 1947..

Peace, Jahelistbro (talk) 17:09, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

See Schofield, Victoria (2003) [First published in 2000], Kashmir in Conflict, London and New York: I. B. Taurus & Co, ISBN 1860648983 -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:27, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

March 23, 1940

The entry for March 23, 1940 seemed to include an entire speech in its footnote. This seemed inappropriate for a timeline article, so I have undone this edit from 2011. However, I am not a subject-matter expert. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:04, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you John of Reading. Absolutely the right thing to do! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:19, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 January 2018

incident of train massacre at nizamabad has no refrence it describes Kashmirs massacred hindus but it is just misinformation misleading and defacing kashmir secular image town lies in punjab outside kashmir with no solid refrence to back it up Artsmood (talk) 11:24, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Not done: The event is cited to Chattha, Ilyas Ahmad (September 2009), Partition and Its Aftermath: Violence, Migration and the Role of Refugees in the Socio-Economic Development of Gujranwala and Sialkot Cities, 1947-1961 (PDF), University of Southampton, retrieved 2016-02-16. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:36, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2020

"Azad Kashmir" -> "Pakistan Occupied Kashmir" Sags1991 (talk) 00:36, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Goldsztajn (talk) 17:48, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion

This could be mentioned in the timeline?— Jammu and Kashmir Constitution Act, 1939 DTM (talk) 14:14, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

We need a source first. I am not sure of the significance since a State Assembly was already functioning. It can however go in the sister page Timeline of the Kashmir conflict (1846-1946). -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:50, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

BJP affiliate

Hindian1947, I see a slew of edits highlighting a BJP affiliate called Praja Parishad, which was in reality a bit player in the whole conflict. You are using a dubous op-ed ("views are personal") and overusing it. And, why is the WP:full citation not included?

Even the Sumantra Bose material you have included is prejudiced. It was not because of Praja Parishad that Sadiq-led National Conference merged with INC. Sadiq was a secularist who didn't believe in Muslim identity politics. Other sources have analysed it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:33, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

To clarify, BJP didn't exist at the time of the Praja Parishad. The op Ed part you are correct on I didn't see that. The praja parishad was definitely influential being largest opposition party for many years in the state assembly, the largest party in Jammu by far and pushing the agenda BJP later adopted. I'll gladly add some better sources. One thing I don't understand is why remove the parts about basic and important history of the parishad. Such as its creation, merger with the BJS, some of the major agitations etc. This is definitely an important part of the timeline of JK history that needs to be included to provide context to the BJPs later movies especially. And to show the Jammu side during the conflict

On the last part, you're right about the Praja Parishad not making the NC merge with congress. However the Praja Parishad did rejoice and consider the merger a victory. Regardless if the merger of NC and Congress is shown it makes sense to show the merger of the Praja Parishad with the BJS Hindian1947 (talk) 08:08, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

I am planning to re-add some of the material that got removed. But it is important to keep in mind that this is history of Jammu and Kashmir, not the history of the Praja Parishad. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:24, 6 March 2022 (UTC)