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im sorry there should be transportation

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) 12:51, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

Timucuan indians → Timucua – A new user moved the page from Timucua for some reason; the new title isn't necessary (or correctly capitalized) - copied from the entry on the WP:RM page

Voting

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• Support--Cuchullain 23:21, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
• Support — extremely unnecessary as there is absolutely nothing else called 'Timucua' (afaik :p) ¦ Reisio 22:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

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Page moved by new user; new title is unnecessary--Cuchullain 23:21, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Center of power

I have moved the following statement here:

Their center of power was along the St. Johns River from about Jacksonville to the upper basin; the area around St. Augustine was also important.

as The Timucua were not a single tribe, but rather a group of tribes speaking dialects of the Timucuan language, and there was no central authority. Moreover, the Potanos and the Northern Utinas of north central Florida were likely as powerful as the Agua Frescas of the lower St. Johns River or the Mocamas of the coast. -- Donald Albury 10:56, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

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Use as you wish. --Moni3 (talk) 17:50, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Proposed renaming of culture by archaeologists

“ For years, they've been known as the Timucua, lumped in with about 35 chiefdoms scattered across 19,000 square miles of North Florida and South Georgia. Archaeologists, though, say that those who lived along the coast - from south of the St. Johns River to St. Simons Island - were a distinct group that should be known as the Mocama. ”

For future reference in case this becomes accepted, or if anyone else wants to add it in. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 22:07, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

There is now a separate article on the Mocama; am trying to figure out how to clarify it here.--Parkwells (talk) 13:47, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I've read the news articles that have come out about them, but I have to say I'm not sure exactly what the archaeologists are saying about the distinctness of the Mocama. The news articles seem to imply that they want the Mocama to be considered distinct from the other Timucua-speaking peoples of the area. But from the quotes from the professors themselves, it looks like they're just saying that the new research has revealed a lot more about the Mocama, not that they were more distinct than, say, the Potano or the Utina.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

References

Move back to Timucua?

This article was moved without any discussion, and with no clean-up. I think that it would be better moved back to Timucua, where it had been for years. If it stays at Timucua people, then several other articles need to be fixed. I would ask that nothing be done to those other articles until we can discuss moving this article back. -- Donald Albury 00:28, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

• Support. A suffix of "people" or "tribe" is only necessary where the term is up in the air and needs to be disambiguated. Unilateral moves without discussion of articles that are being actively edited by others is inappropriate. -Uyvsdi (talk) 00:32, 11 March 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Permission to Update Map?

I have recently created a map of the Timucua peoples and had it reviewed by Dr. John E Worth. I would like to update the map presented in the infobox with it. KiwiNova (talk) 20:35, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

I wonder about including all of the Safety Harbor culture area as Timucua. There is an argument that the Mocoso may spoken Timucua, but the Uzita were said to speak a different language than the Mocoso. Donald Albury 22:46, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

@Donald Albury I based my inclusion of the Uzita on Swanton's inclusion in his 1953 work, but I only mentioned the blurb, so I can see how that would be misleading. KiwiNova (talk) 23:18, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Swanton can be useful, or can be a problem. What I do know is that Juan Ortiz stated that Mocoso and Uzita spoke different languages, and John Hann makes a circumstantial argument that Mocoso spoke Timucuan. On the north side another problem is that Utinahica is said to be Timucua, but it apparently practiced the Lamar square ground culture, which is otherwise associated with speakers of Muscogean languages. The problem is that we know almost nothing about the language or languages spoken by the peoples of central and southern Florida. The current map used in the Timucua article is definitely too limited, but I do have my doubts about most of the area around Tampa Bay. I will also add that Wikipedia:Be bold is an editing guideline. If you feel confident in your map, add it. Donald Albury 00:09, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Acheha

"Acheha" was added to the list of Timucua tribes. I reverted because "Acheha" was the name of a phratry, not a tribe, per page 183 of Ehrmann, W. W. (January 1940). "The Timucua Indians of Sixteenth Century Florida". The Florida Historical Quarterly. 18 (3): 168–191. JSTOR 30138327.. - Donald Albury 19:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC) [edited - Donald Albury 19:06, 30 May 2024 (UTC)]