Talk:Treasure trove

Treasure found at sea

The article, as currently written, neglects the important area of treasure trove law as applied to treasure found at sea. MrDroopy 07:44, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

The law of treasure trove does not deal with treasure found at sea. This topic is dealt with by the law of salvage which is a branch of admiralty law. — Cheers, JackLee ^–talk– 16:57, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

so which is it?

The article begins by suggesting that a find becomes a "treasure trove" when no one else can claim it. Then it goes on to explain the differences between treasure trove and coins that were lost, making it sound like a treasure trove is something you can't keep while salvage is something you can keep. So which is it? Is it found to be a treasure trove when you can keep it, or is it a treasure trove when you can't? There's also mention of it not being a treasure trove if it's less than 50% gold and silver. So then what is it? If you pair this statement with the idea that you can keep salvage but not treasure troves, than that would lead to the reasoning that if you found a cache of copper coins, you can't keep them because they're not as valuable as gold. It doesn't make sense. noit (talk) 02:38, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

It would help if you identified which sections of the article you are referring to. The law relating to "treasure trove" varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and different jurisdictions have different definitions of what constitutes "treasure trove", as the "History" section points out. It sounds like you are talking about the "English common law" section. Under the common law (now only applicable to objects found before 24 September 1997), in order for an object to be considered as treasure trove:

• it had to be more than 50% gold or silver;
• it had to be hidden by somebody who had an intention to come back to claim it later; and
• the owner or his or her descendants had to be untraceable (if they were traceable, then the object was not treasure trove and could be claimed by the owner or descendants).

If an object amounted to treasure trove, then it belonged to the Crown. However, the finder would usually be compensated for finding the object. If the object did not amount to treasure trove, then the question of ownership depended on the law of finders, which is not explained in detail in this article. Briefly, though, it is not simply a matter of "finders keepers" – the owner of the land on which the object was found may have a claim on it, and the finder is under a duty to try and locate the true owner of the object.

It may seem odd that only objects that were made substantially of gold and silver were considered treasure trove, but centuries ago the law of treasure trove in England was not intended to preserve the nation's material heritage but was a way to raise money for the Crown. The Crown was only interested in valuable gold and silver, and not in objects made of base metals like copper, iron and lead, much less pottery and wooden objects. Of course, over time, views on treasure trove have changed, and this eventually led to the enactment of the Treasure Act 1996 which applies to a much wider range of objects. — Cheers, JackLee ^–talk– 09:45, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, I see that now. I think my American eyes glossed over the word "Crown". The idea that somebody could take it because it's valuable, and they like it, and they're crown, didn't even occur to me. I also thought the rest of the article would be more and more countries, and I didn't scroll. I didn't realize further down were the sections containing modern law. noit (talk) 12:53, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Sure, you're welcome. — Cheers, JackLee ^–talk– 18:48, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

About 7,811 coins

In March 1973, a hoard of about 7,811 Roman coins was found buried in a field at Coleby in Lincolnshire.

Is the word "about" necessary? 7,811 seems like a rather specific number to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Van Vidrine (talk • contribs) 16:13, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

The Duchy of Cornwall

This article neglects the fact that treasure trove found within the county of Cornwall is the right of the Duchy of Cornwall and not the Crown. Bona Vacantia is the right of the Duchy of Cornwall within the territory of Cornwall. Oll an gwella (talk) 11:04, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

That's the case with all the duchies in England, isn't it? Feel free to update the article if you have reliable third-party references. — Cheers, JackLee ^–talk– 15:46, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

EB1911

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