Talk:West Palm Beach, Florida

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West Palm Beach is a great city with alot of natural and man made history.

Can anyone add anything to the history of West Palm Beach, particularly who the mayors were?

West Palm Beach Page Project

I'm thinking of redoing the this page in the same layout of the Boca Raton, Florida one. Before I do, I need to know, how do I put in pictures?

You'll need to upload them. But be careful of copyright issues. - Chris 14:54, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I did the Boca pics and layout, for the most part. I'd be glad to help you here. It really was just a matter of 1: Shooting the photos, and 2: editing, editing, editing, the layout. If you check the history, you'll see that I spent about 10-15 edits on layout tweaks! It took the most work doing the transit section. ReignMan 21:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

New page finished!

Okay, as you have seen, I completed the new WikiPage. Feel free to add to it and correct some of my horrible mistakes that Microsoft Word didn't pick up.

About the Rice Brothers. http://www.palmbeachpost.com/accent/content/accent/epaper/2005/11/12/a1d_john_rice_1112.html

Removed "Residents"

I removed the "Residents" section:

• It was only a mention of the Rice brothers
• ... and of John's death.

articl* There are quite a few of us WPB residents out there and, sadly, we all can't be mentioned. I'd also argue that they are not the only famous residents of the city.

- Chris 20:07, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

• • I would say that if someone has an article in Wikipedia, and has substantial ties to the community, they can be mentioned in the city article. Actually, I would prefer a stricter standard. I'm tired of seeing every retired foorball player, golfer and tennis player who has ever owned a home in a city being listed as famous residents. -- Dalbury^(Talk) 20:16, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

• • • Neither one has an article (the first is to a Broadway Actor from the 19th century). I somewhat agree with your point, however despite the Rice brothers' connection with the community, I'd vote no on their place in an encyclopedic article about the town. - Chris 20:30, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
      • Unfortunately, many other city articles have lists of famous residents whose only tie to the city often is just that one of their several residences is there. There's a lot of unencyclopedic boosterism in city articles. -- Dalbury^(Talk) 20:57, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
        • There probably is a stricter standard already, if anyone wants to take the time to dig around WP:MOS and find it. A good way to enforce this would be to remove the names of those known or believed to be part-time residents. If you want to be nice about it, tag it "citation needed" and give the community a few weeks to fix it before cutting. Restrict the list to those who are from the area or are active enough in the community that it's been documented in print and can be cited. I agree about the "retired athletes." There are many notable athletes from the area, including Ottis Anderson, Anthony Carter, Randy O'Neal, Craig Erickson and Kevin Fagan, whose names I don't recall seeing on that list. They belong ahead of any retirees. Someone like Andres Galarraga, who went through the minors in West Palm, could have a case. Donald Trump is an example of someone who is not from the area but has a big enough thumbprint there that he could be left in. As for the Rice brothers, well-known though they may have been locally, are they so important that they are one of the first things a reader from another area needs to know about West Palm? This is the type of issue where I advise people to find some free web hosting and create a fansite instead of trying to jam it in here. Dementia13 (talk) 04:06, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Skyline and Cityplace images needed!

We need some images for this article of the skyline and Cityplace!

Can't guarantee when, but I can get out and take some. Only thing: are there copyright issues just by taking those images? - Chris 22:35, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

The current picture of the 'skyline' isn't very accurate. It's from I-95 looking east. The proper way to get the skyline would be from Palm Beach looking east because the taller buildings are near the Intracoastal, not Clear Lake.

Exactly what type of pictures of City Place are needed? I have or can get any specific photo.76.110.11.45 (talk) 16:02, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

That makes no sense. "Palm Beach looking east" is the Atlantic Ocean. The article has several adequate pictures that include the downtown area. Dementia13 (talk) 03:45, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Location of Styx

The Styx was the name of the community on Palm Beach Island housing the black workers for Flagler's hotels. Exactly what happended to it, and when, is not entirely clear. See [1], [2], [3] and [4]. -- Donald Albury 22:35, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Crime Rankings

I had to remove a line that claimed the city's ranking as 14th most dangerous was "biased" because unincorporated areas of the city weren't included, where the crime rate is lower. Unfortunately, an "unincorporated part of the city" is not the city by definition. For example, New Orleans doesn't get to count unincorporated Metairie to lower its crime rate. To show a lower crime rate, West Palm Beach would either have to actually lower the amount of crime or incorporate those low-crime unincorporated areas. Goeverywhere 16:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

PS -- The poll does indeed list many central cities with safe outlying areas -- Detroit, Baltimore, etc. But the same source lists the most dangerous metro areas and West Palm is not included. So I've compromised and made that notation in the article. Goeverywhere 16:23, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

No, sorry. I removed that again. The city is dangerous, so are the suburbs. Detroit has a few zip codes with high crime rates, and then they fall off. West Palm Beach has many zip codes in the entire area that are very high, but not counted, because the Morgan Quinto (AKA Bullshit) articles only include incorporated cities. It is not prudent to downplay the crime rates of a city that millions of people visit, the public needs to be informed.

The zip code rates are the best, and can be obtained at http://www.homefair.com/find_a_place/cityprofile/index.asp?cc=1 These list the crime rates of various zip codes, which are regular and geographically more square than cities. If I were to take some numbers, like Compton California, highest crime rate 276 (100 is average), and compare it to downtown WPB, which scores a 455, you'd see that it's almost double the violent crime rate of Compton! Now, if you think that's bad, here's the sad fact. The Compton number is about as high as it gets in all of California. Miami gets to 667. Detroit peaks at a mere 561, where as E St Louis reaches 908!

But now, lets look at the so called safe outlying areas: Detroit stays in the 3-400s. St. Louis drops fairly quick, and LA goes into 150s. WPB? Areas range from the 30s to the 500s. No other city I can find does this. In Miami, there's an area where a 667 borders a 48! Let's call Compton a bad area for a minute, how many areas in WPB and PBC are worse than Compton? Well, 33404, 33407, 33460, and 33405 at an incridible 575, higher than the worst in Detroit!!! And as for places that are more than double average? 33444, 33483, 33435, 33409, etc. So rethink that logic for a bit, then we'll talk. ReignMan 21:19, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I think the crime table should be removed entirely. The national crime figures are wildly innacurate, according to the UCR the last time homicide rates were up at 6.8 was in 1997, and the rate for '05 was 5.6. 121.44.197.179 15:10, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree, because the cited source of the statistics is essentially "some web site", not any sort of well-known statistics authority. Eli lilly 01:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

The crime tables are here to stay. We've been adding them to every city. The numbers are directly from the FBI uniform crime reports, and the 2006 data shows there were 17 reported murders in West Palm Beach, which has a population of roughly 100,000... Do the math. Just because you don't agree with the numbers, doesn't make them untrue. And BTW, in 1997, your number is a little off... There were 30 murders reported with a total population of 79,246, making the total number about 32-34... Nice try though http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/Cius_97/97crime/97crime2.pdf ReignMan 04:18, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm talking about the national rates... the data here states the national homicide rate for 2005 was 5.6, not 6.9 as listed in the table. http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_01.html 121.44.197.179 13:04, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

The Areaconnect stats are based on stats of incorporated cities in the database only, the 5.6 is all areas, including unincorporated areas. 6.9 is average for an incorporated city. ReignMan 20:02, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Don't be a jackass with the "the crime tables are here to stay" B.S. . For starters, do you have permission to reproduce those here? Or do you think it's just OK to copy and paste them from some other website? And who is the "we" that has been "adding them to every city". When I look at the San Fransisco or New York City articles I see no such table and that leads me to believe that your focus on crime is inappropriate. Eli lilly 15:00, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

The crime rankings seriously need to stay. I grew up in WPB... I know what a dangerous city it is. I know that if you go to see a show at the Kravis Center, that you do not wander around that neighborhood. One of these days... hopefully it'll improve. Azoreg (talk) 00:20, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Azoreg, maybe what you say was true 15 years ago, but the area around the Kravis Center is now mostly commercial...such as City Place. Its crime in that area is no higher than most other mid sized cities.--Grahambrunk (talk) 00:03, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Sport

You already have a section on local sports facilities so could the National Croquet Centre http://www.croquetnational.com/ be added. It is due to hold the world championships next May http://www.wcfcroquet.org/Tournaments/acwc2009.html when players representing 26 countries will be competing. MidlandLinda (talk) 22:07, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Citations

I removed the statement, "(Source: Florida Department of Law Enforcement)", from the article. When a citation is requested, we are looking for information that will let other readers find the source and verify what it says for themselves, as detailed in Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Citing sources. -- Donald Albury 22:34, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Suburban West Palm Beach

The whole section appears to be original research. To start with, I do not know of any definition for a "West Palm Beach urbanized area"; most of the City of West Palm Beach is part of the Miami Urbanized Area, as defined by the Census Bureau. Cities from all over the county have been added to this list, as though all of the county counted as suburbs of West Palm Beach. I think that people in Boynton, Delray and Boca would argue that they are not suburbs of West Palm Beach. But what counts here is citing reliable sources, hard as they might be to find. -- Donald Albury 21:29, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Publicity brochure style

I've just done a clean-up of most sections of the page, removing the weasel-worded and WP:OR-style hyperbole that appears to be straight from the city's tourist-brochure/publicity-guide. The page will be on watchlist to ensure that reverts and similar such edits are removed. Plutonium27 (talk) 03:45, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

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Notable People

I already question the encyclopedic nature of these sorts of sections, but this one is particularly long. It's huge. Is there any agreement that it should be trimmed? Scarlettail (talk) 15:53, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. But where to start? Resident, West Palm Beach, July 21 2015. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.48.201.128 (talk) 17:34, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Historic Districts

The Historic Districts section is large and unwieldy. Can we break it out into a new page? 174.48.201.128 (talk) 17:35, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

More history

The current history section looks good. But there is a great deal of additional historical details that could be included. I would love too see more in there about West Palm Beach. -Melsis Lopez — Preceding unsigned comment added by Melsis.sarai.lopez (talk • contribs) 04:24, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

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Schools outside the city limits

An editor has now reverted both @PopularOutcast: and I to reinsert two schools into this article, although the schools are not in the city. This needs to be discussed here, and a consensus found, before those schools are added again. - Donald Albury 13:53, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Donald Albury, thanks for setting up the talk page. Just to be clear, I had reverted the edits because there were many things incorrect (and reorganized for no apparent reason). I was not sure that everything was incorrect but as I tried to undo separate edits that were wrong or erroneous, then skip over ones that might be correct, the system couldn't handle it and I would have had to revert manually. I felt that was too much work for me to do for unreferenced edits. Now on to these schools.

According to the municipality map of Palm Beach County both of the schools are within unincorporated Palm Beach County.

I am not sure why the editor feels so strongly about adding these and perhaps we can hear from them. PopularOutcast^talk2me! 14:33, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Appointed officials in infobox

I could not find the names of the city administrator, city clerk, or city attorney on the city's web site. IMO, there is no encyclopedic need to name appointed officials in most articles about municipalities, and if, in fact, the City of West Palm Beach does not list the names of such officials on its web site, then I think such officials are not significant enough to include in the article, even when their names can be found in reliable sources. Why should I leave those offices in the infobox? - Donald Albury 14:12, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Split Notable people into separate article.

A "split section' template for Notable people was added in August 2021 but I see no discussion for it here. There is a comment posted much earlier saying that this section was "huge". I would not call the current contents huge. And the only justification for a new article would be to increase the Wikipedia article count. User-duck (talk) 11:54, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Agree: That's always a great thing when a list becomes so lengthy that it starts to overwhelm the page. It's a very bad thing if the list is not yet that lengthy. I'd agree the West Palm Beach list is lengthy enough to warrant a separate page (along with a main category listing under the page's subhead of "Notable people" as is typical done on pages with separate lists of its notable people). TheGables (talk) 02:51, 4 November 2022 (UTC)