Talk:Whitehorse

Air Quality

WHO named Whitehorse, Yukon the city with the cleanest air. Might want to pop that in there. link: http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/2011/09/27/the-10-most-air-polluted-cities-in-the-world/?hpt=hp_t2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.81.94.68 (talk) 13:52, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Population

• i am about to tell you thath there are there are 4 different populations listed on this page! 23,205 in the opening paragraph; 19,058 for City and 21,405 for Metro in the fact box on the right; and 252 000 listed under Community Profile. Luigi, which is correct?

• • 19,058 was the population inside the Whitehorse City limits counted by Statistics Canada in the 2001 Census. 21,405 was the number of people in the Whitehorse Census agglomeration in 2001. 23,205 is the population count supplied by the Yukon Bureau of Statistics [1] in December 2004. Generally speaking, the Census tends to undercount people (the YBS has shown this to Stats Can's satisfaction, which resulted in the Yukon government getting an extra $30 million), while the YBS numbers are based on the number of people with Yukon health care cards with Whitehorse postal addresses, which is an overcount, since it can take up to a year to remove people from the health care rolls. So, the answer to your question is none of the above. Luigizanasi 15:18, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

wrong address

I don't really know how to use this website, but Whitehorse is Mile 918 on the Alaska Highway, not Mile 1495 or whatever

• • It may be mile 917 on the Alaska Highway, but it's kilometre 1489 as stated in the article. Beckie S.--11:27, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I think that the "What's Up, Yukon" bi-weekly should be added to the list of local media. All local content and events, arts and entertainment, occasional weekly runs during special events in town, been in production for over a year now.

Done

The Two Mile Hill intersection, historically the only access road down into Whitehorse (downtown being the original townsite and only developed area until WW2), is at Mile 917.9. The mile figures are no longer accurate, and Whitehorse is now actually about 888 miles from Mile Zero. The historic mile figures are today represented with street addresses (put into effect 21 Oct 1997) measured to 1/100 of a mile -- one establishment just north of the Two Mile Hill intersection (relocated slightly further north in 1993) is 91806 Alaska Highway. GBC (talk) 16:38, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

explain

Log cabin. All buildings in Whitehorse are limited to four stories.

as far as i can read, theres nothing on here explaining why buildings can't be more then 4 stories...can anyone add reasons why —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.130.211.27 (talk) 15:12, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

The main reason given is that Whitehorse is in an earthquake zone, but citizens also oppose high rises because of aesthetics. Even at four stories, some residents immediately to the north of such structures are blocked from sunlight during the later fall and early winter. GBC (talk) 16:38, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

I completely agree with the sunlight explanation. However the earthquake reasoning is not true. In fact most earthquake zones have some of the largest buildings out there. The limit is more to do with metered height not stories. Mahs point is six stories and still within the height restriction bylaw. It opened in 2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.28.245.14 (talk) 08:33, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Page Needs an update

Lots of clunky language here. It reads like a tourist's guide with many pieces of irrelavent information. There also needs to be a history section, perhaps created by someone who knows more than I do (of course). Reference to "the village" (The Kwanlin Dun First Nation) is derogatory and I have removed it.

Done well partially--Tallard (talk) 13:48, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Spelling

The IP-address-only person who spells it "story" and "stories", for the number of floors in a building - should kindly check the dictionary and note that "storey" is the generally-accepted proper spelling to distinguish it from that which means tale, and the plural of which is storeys. As this is a Canadian location, British-Canadian spelling rules should be prime, just as American spelling rules should be prime for articles pertaining mainly to American subjects. GBC (talk) 16:38, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Done

Getting this article from B class to GA class

All articles regarding capital cities in Canada should strive to at least achieve Good Article (GA) status, if not Featured Article (FA) status. As you can see I have been expanding sections pretty significantly, using as models other smaller Canadian cities which have achieved GA status, such as Coquitlam. One of the major challenges on this article is to apply Wikipedia:Manual of Style. Please help by inserting content into the empty sections and bringing further suggestions to this talk page. --Tallard (talk) 22:15, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Log Skyscrapers info

From: Bell's Travel Guides, Whitehorse Log Skycrapers. During the construction of the Alaska Highway every hotel and home in Whitehorse was overflowing with army and air force personnel. Even the riverboats that tied up overnight were used to accommodate construction crews. The shortage of rental units and space promoted Martin Berrigan then in his early 70's, to begin building the log skyscrapers.

The three-story skyscraper was the last of Berrigan's many log buildings and was completed in 1947. It is 58 logs high and is made of logs weighing at least 300 pounds each. It was originally founded on the ground but concrete footings have been recently added. Both skyscrapers have been insulated, drywalled and equipped with plumbing and electric heating. The original five rental units are still leased as apartments.

See also: Photograph of 4-storey one

From Yukon Historical & Museums Association Log Skyscraper, building description:Two log dwellings stood beside the skyscrapers until they were removed to make way for the construction of the office building located on the corner of Second Avenue and Lambert. That site is now a parking lot. Refer to Berrigan Cabins, and Mah Bing Cabin. Berrigan built all five buildings located within the first two blocks of Lambert Street. This site was once the location of Roland Ryder's house, stables, and vegetable garden. Ryder operated a water delivery business and kept his horses at this site.

The skyscrapers were built by Martin Berrigan in 1947. Berrigan moved to Whitehorse in 1939 after spending time working on the dredges in Dawson. He is quoted as having said "Life is too short to allow for getting sick, so I started building cabins for rent." This log cabin was the last of many built by Berrigan. He began with several one-storey log dwellings at a time when Whitehorse was experiencing a shortage of accomodation due to wartime construction. Three of these cabins are located in the first block of Lambert Street. This three storey structure was built of logs which Berrigan cut from the east bank of the Yukon River and skidded to the location with a horse team. In the late 1970's, the Skyscrapers were in danger of demolition when the lot was put up for sale; however, the demolition was not carried out and a new owner was found.

Question: Does anyone have references relative to how many there were? Were there only 3 of them? a 2-storey, a 3-storey, and a 4-storey?--Tallard (talk) 14:26, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Former name

It may be just me, but after reading this section under "History":

"In 1950 the city was incorporated and by 1951, the population had doubled from its 1941 numbers. On April 1, 1953, the city was designated the capital of the Yukon territory when the seat was moved from Dawson City after the construction of the Klondike Highway.[27] On March 21, 1957, the name was changed to Whitehorse.[28]"

It's unclear what the former name is.

132.177.218.60 (talk) 17:04, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

I looked it up, and prior to that date it was spelled as two words instead of one. All they did was change it from White Horse to Whitehorse.
Thatotherperson (talk/contribs) 00:12, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Grey Mountain

I was cruising through Wikipedia and somehow ended up looking at a red link for Grey Mountain. I'm in the process now of creating a Grey Mountain page (for now it will live in my user page, since this is my first article.) I was wondering if there is anyone out there that would like to edit/add to the page once I get the basics in? (If I've broken any talk page rules here, feel free to delete, etc.) --JonGDixon (talk) 17:09, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

I've started and put what I have so far here: Grey Mountain Draft. It is nowhere near complete, but as I said, this is my first article and I'd appreciate a little help if anyone out there is interested. I have posted a bit of discussion on my talk page, so as to not clutter up this talk page. --JonGDixon (talk) 23:44, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Never Happen Here: the Whitehorse 9/11 story.

IMDB has a page on this documentary, a bizarre event which happened on 9/11/2001.http://www.imdb.com/video/wab/vi3759118873/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.9.112.31 (talk) 02:33, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

This is where I first learned of this: http://jeromestueart.com/2011/09/13/the-other-hijacked-airliner-story-whitehorse-yukon-911/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.9.112.31 (talk) 20:29, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Comfortable climate

"Whitehorse was ranked among Canadian cities with the most comfortable climate." Canadians like it cold, huh? In the source the city is not even in the top three. I believe this should not be mentioned in the article. --212.226.66.147 (talk) 06:58, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

• I think you make a good point. Ssbbplayer (talk) 17:00, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Economy

This article badly needs a section on the economy. Why are people here? How do they earn a living? What are the economic sectors: government? forestry? mining? tourism? Bare minimum we should learn approximately how many people are engaged in the various sectors. 107.197.156.7 (talk) 22:21, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Km 1426 vs 1476

Yukonpearl's revision notes suggest a reroute in 2005. Actually, rerouting and shortening of the Alaska Highway has been under way since 1943, with pauses in some years. What happened in 2005 was that the kilometreposts in the Yukon were recalibrated between the BC border near Watson Lake and the west end of the Champagne "revision", counting up from the last BC milepost, which itself was no longer accurate but had not been recalibrated since about 1990. Since that time, the revisions have been extended twice to now reach the Alaska border. GBC (talk) 02:16, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

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Move discussion in progress

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Requested move 3 December 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Ultimately I'm finding a consensus to move. As Vaselineee showed, this article gets the vast majority of pageviews and otherwise meets the criteria at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC; this point was never effectively contested by opposers. Although it's true that bad links to a primary topic damage the encyclopedia, ultimately you would have to change the article titles policy to prevent this. (t · c) buidhe 17:55, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

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Whitehorse, Yukon → Whitehorse – This is a neutral nomination for 162.208.168.92 (talk), who wrote the rationale: "Whitehorse (one word) overwhelmingly refers to the city in Yukon, as discussed previously at Talk:White horse (disambiguation)." P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 17:17, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

To editors Ortizesp, Turnagra, O.N.R., Crouch, Swale and Certes: courtesy ping registered participants in procedurally closed RM. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 17:25, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• For the record the most recent discussion on the Canadian place being primary was at Talk:Whitehorse#Requested move 3 December 2020, Talk:White horse (disambiguation) does have older discussions on this though. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:36, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 22:06, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose As mentioned in the other RM, there is also City of Whitehorse and Whitehorse, South Dakota, making there WP:NOPRIMARY. Re_target to White horse (disambiguation)._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 01:30, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Just because there are other cities named “Whitehorse” doesn’t mean there can’t be a primary topic. There are several “Michael Jordan’s”, but only one is the primary topic. As I linked above to the article traffic statistics for the other “Whitehorse” named cities, the other articles, even combined, do not come near that of the Yukon city. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 04:52, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

This is not a Michael Jordan situation. Everyone in the world knows who Michael Jordan is, but I'd be surprised if the casual reader has heard of Whitehorse, Yukon. Its population is only 25,000, which, while large for its location, is far from being something well-known._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 13:44, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

That is WP:OR. Population of the city has nothing to do with determining a primary topic. It also does not matter if the reader has not heard of Whitehorse, Yukon in general (probably none have heard of the other Whitehorse's either), what matters is if it is considered the primary topic within the context of the other "Whitehorse's", and by the article traffic statistics, it clearly is. How can you explain the traffic stats being 100 times larger for the Yukon city than all the other Whitehorse's combined if is not the primary topic? Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 14:02, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

The fact is that despite the fewer pageviews, Whitehorse in Melbourne has about 7x the real-world population. It isn't some isolated hovel that gets 1 view every month. The disambiguation isn't particularly intrusive either, so I struggle to see the benefit. WP:AINTBROKE._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 14:20, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

All due respect, maybe you have to read WP:PRIMARYTOPIC again? The population literally has nothing to do with how we evaluate a primary topic—we evaluate it by usage. The Yukon city gets on average 880 views per day, while the Australian city gets an average of 38. This demonstrates that the Yukon city is much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term. The Yukon city also seems to have long-term significance if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term. From some quick Google searches, the Yukon city also seems to be mentioned in more reliable sources than the Australian city (although not entirely good metric given Google Personalized Search). The point is, the population is arbitrary, just as would saying the Yukon city takes precedence because it is the capital of something. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 14:49, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose A proper disambiguation page is better than a series of confusing (for the casual readers of Wikipedia) redirects. We do no build the encyclopedia for ourselves but for the public. The Banner talk 10:55, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom, clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC by page views and long-term significance. Either way, the redirect at Whitehorse needs to be turned into a DAB and filled in.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:33, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support nomination. Clear primary topic, The capital of Yukon territory, which is why despite its low population is extremely prominent. RedPatchBoy (talk) 15:02, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support the higher page views and evidence that it has more enduring notability than the other entries make a compelling case for this being the primary topic. I also don’t see the lower pollution as a reason to oppose and in fact see it as bolstering the case that this is the primary topic since it makes it unlikely that the higher page views are due to systemic bias.--65.92.160.124 (talk) 23:24, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Comment - For those perhaps unfamiliar with the Victorian system of LGAs, there is a good reason that the pageviews for City of Whitehorse are much smaller than the city in Yukon in spite of the much larger population. The clue is in the lead of CoW: "The City of Whitehorse is a local government area in Victoria, Australia" - in spite of the name, it is not a "city" really. When asked where they live, someone would give a suburb (eg Box Hill), or say Melbourne, they'd never say Whitehorse. The LGAs are just administrative eg for bin collections and planning permits but aren't used to identify locations except in the context of local government. Compare Melbourne to City of Melbourne. A7V2 (talk) 23:55, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. I'd be prepared to wager that a good proportion of readers typing "Whitehorse" were actually looking for "White Horse" or "white horse" instead. Links to DAB pages such as White horse (disambiguation) get fixed, usually within a couple of months, and confuse nobody even before they're fixed. Bad links to WP:PTOPICs can hang around for a decade and more, can mislead readers, and do degrade the encyclopedia. (I've fixed a couple of thousand bad links to PTOPICs and WP:SIAs; I've worked with an editor who devotes almost all his time to guessing at and fixing them, and who has fixed many times that number. I'll alert him to white horse - to which the third link-in was the redirect Whitehorse, Australia!) Narky Blert (talk) 16:21, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

@Narky Blert: Not to bludgeon, but I'm genuinely interested in why you think that people looking for "whitehorse" actually are looking for "white horse". The statistics certainly don't support that ("white horse" still has eight times less traffic than "Whitehorse, Yukon"—if this is how many views the Whitehorse city gets, even with currently having a disambiguator, it certainly seems that this is the topic people are looking for in greater numbers than any other "white horse" or "whitehorse" combined. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 17:02, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

@Vaselineeeeeeee: Not bludgeoning in any way, that's a very good question.

I don't know what readers type in (no-one does, all we can do is guess from pageview stats), but as a DABfixer I do know the sorts of things which editors link to; and I think it's reasonable to assume that readers are less precise than editors. Most DABfixes are mundane (pick the obvious link off the DAB page, why didn't you WP:TESTLINK?), but many are not. Joining, separating, or hyphenating words, and capitalising common nouns, are among the simpler tricks which keep DABfixers occupied; but we can only easily find and fix bad links if they link to a DAB page.

We must assume that readers aren't always certain what they're looking for; they may have misheard or misremembered.

Until I spotted and edited them just now, both White Horse and The White Horse redirected to white horse. It seems pretty clear to me that any reader typing in either of those is most likely looking for, e.g., information about a neolithic artefact, a place, or a pub, than about horses with a particular coat colour.

It's a trade-off. PTOPICs save most readers one click. They also tend to - I'd say always - collect bad links, which can be hugely damaging to the encyclopedia. As an analogy, IMDb is deprecated at WP:RSPS for lack of editorial oversight; which can result both in split filmographies, and in combined filmographies of two or more people. We need to be better than that. Narky Blert (talk) 18:05, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Merging Riverdale, Whitehorse

This stub article is unsourced and probably should be merged. 162 etc. (talk) 05:48, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Weak oppose on the grounds that occupied places are usually notable. Klbrain (talk) 18:37, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Update population count?

I stumbled upon this file on the YG website: https://yukon.ca/en/population-report-q2-2021 - could the population numbers be updated based on this new data? Currently Wikipedia has numbers from 2016. Thanks! 9dfjyee6t5 (talk) 21:29, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

9dfjyee6t5, population and dwelling counts from the 2021 census will be released by StatCan on February 9, 2022. See this link and click "By Topic" for confirmation. Since that is a month away, surely we can wait since we have come so far already. If you do want to add it, then please first read WP:CANPOP carefully. The provincial June 2021 estimate of 30,081 (on page 6) can be added so long as the 2016 population county from StatCan remains in the article. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 22:35, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Hwy43 - ah! I wasn't aware of that. Thanks! :) We can wait 9dfjyee6t5 (talk) 02:00, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Summer Daylight

In the Climate section, it's claimed that WH has "just over 19 hours" of Summer daylight. No, it doesn't. Yes, daylight peaks on/about June 21st at 19.1 hrs. Peak. (It's only over 19 hrs for about 3-4 days before and after then.) I did a rough estimate (original research) based on a graph of daylight there and the "Summer" daylight (Jun-1 to Aug-31) is averages 17.6 hrs. (I'd not trust that last significant figure to more than +/-0.5) but clearly it is NOT 19 hours. Civil Twilight (plus daylight) averages 21 hrs in that same period. (Twilight around June 21st is 24 hrs.) But Civil Twilight is not daylight. (I mean, that's why there is something called Civil Twilight (along with Nautical as well as Astronomical twilight)). It would probably be better to say something like Summer daylight averages over 17 hrs. and around Summer Solstice Civil Twilight persists for 24 hrs. (If you can find a good reference...would an online calculator work?)174.130.71.156 (talk) 14:55, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

I use Sunrise/sunset calculator from the National Research Council Canada on other Wikipedia pages. Nobody has questioned it before but use the coordinates. I discovered that using the named city was not always correct. By the way the sentence reads "...and summer days have up to about 19 hours of daylight." It should say that "...and summer days can have up to 19 hours of daylight." There's a 19 day period where the total hours are over 19 and there is no civil twilight. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 04:32, 17 October 2022 (UTC)