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Date Discrepancy

The article states

"Due to high U.S. digital sales, the song debuted on the Billboard Hot 100 for the chart week of February 16, 2008 at #9, becoming Naim's first U.S. top ten single."

It isn't February 16th yet...

Notability

Latest comment: 16 years ago9 comments3 people in discussion

I checked the notability criteria (Criteria for musicians and ensembles) on WP:MUSIC. I feel the following criteria are all met (and any one would be sufficient to establish notability, possibly excepting 10):

1. Several reviews and articles in on-line sources, including discussions of style, have been identified in the main article.

2. Second album reached 11th on French album chart.

5. Two albums have been released on reputable labels.

10. The song 'New Soul' has been used in the début advertisement for the MacBook Air which has had considerable exposure.

Accordingly, I have removed the 'notability|music' tag from the article. Mooncow (talk) 21:57, 19 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

Additionally, the intro reading

She came to prominence when her song "New Soul" was featured in the début commercial for Apple's MacBook Air" is most appropriate

as it describes the way in which she came to notability. Thus, this must be the way in which the intro is read. Bstone (talk) 13:50, 27 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

To the anon IP which continues to remove this information from the intro line, will you please discuss the reasons for your edits here. Your point of view is important but your edits thus far has not been discussed and may be considered disruptive to the article. I assert that her notability was established due to the Steve Jobs selecting 'New Soul' for use with the MacBook Air at MacWorld 2008. Thus, this is an integral part of the intro line and her article. Again, please discuss your counter point here so we can learn your opinion and ideally come to a consensus. Thank you. Bstone (talk) 17:57, 27 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

I'm going to defend the anon IP you are accusing of "disrupting" the article, and myself after you also accused me of "disrupting" the article. Please assume good faith. She is notable because of this ad, but that doesn't mean you have to describe every detail of the laptop. She's not just notable because of Macworld - this is an ad that airs all the time on normal TV, so the macworld shoutout is irrelevant. My suggestion of cutting it to "She came to prominence when her song New Soul was featured in the 2008 début commercial for the MacBook Air laptop." gets the point across without spamming for apple. Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:09, 27 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

First, I never accused anyone of disruption. I say may be as there was no discussion, only arbitrary editing of something which is an apparent content dispute. Not discussing why you are making changes to such a disputed item would indicate either vandalism (which clearly this is not) or disruption of the article. But now since you're discussing then this point is clearly mute. Second, you state

but that doesn't mean you have to describe every detail of the laptop

well, the intro as it currently reads clearly does not do that in any way, shape or form. It simply describes the basic circumstances (who, what, where and when) in which her notability was clearly defined. I do not think anyone would have a problem with accurately describing who she is, what brought her to notability, where it happened (at MacWorld) and when (2008). Lacking any of this information would leave this article in a form which would be, simply put, unencyclopedic. I look forward to your response and for us building a consensus in this discussion. Bstone (talk) 19:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

Maybe it is possible that we can remove the words "ultra-thin" and "computer"? But I believe MacWorld and 2008 should stay. Thoughts on this compromise? Bstone (talk) 20:26, 27 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

I think this is fine at least for now... I agree that 2008 is good, though I am not so sure about MacWorld... Obviously this is total OR, but I doubt that her notability comes from MacWorld: most people (including me) probably know this song only from the ad airs constantly on normal TV. Do you have any sources that single out MacWorld? Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:34, 28 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

Actually, how about moving this into the body rather than having it in the intro? It seems very US-centric considering that her album was #11 on the French charts several months ago, a more notable achievement (and one that probably brought her more prominence than this). Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:36, 28 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

I see you went ahead and migrated the intro line into the body. Is everyone cool with this? I would have like to wait until people agreed before it just kinda happened. Bstone (talk) 01:38, 31 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

Name transciption

Latest comment: 15 years ago5 comments4 people in discussion

I wonder if those diaereses in her name are necessary; as far as I know, no diaereses are used in transcription of Hebrew names. mz (talk) 10:13, 20 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

A good question, and one I wondered about myself. In her earlier work, she went by the name 'Yaël', including the diaeresis, although admittedly this might have be an affectation. She is now usually credited as 'Yael Naïm' (omitting the diaeresis on her given name but including it on her surname), except in the types of sources that habitually omit all diacritics. The name of her album as it appears on the cover is 'yael naim' (omitting all diaereses), but then album artwork and typography is never a reliable orthographic source. On the iTunes shop, for example, both the artist and the album name are given as 'Yael Naïm'.

It seems to me that French writers use more diaereses than is customary in modern English, and this may have influenced her own preferences. Some Google searches reveal that Francophone Yaëls tend to include a diaeresis while Anglophone Yaels tend to omit it. That, together with the frequent inclusion of a diaeresis on her surname in various sources, led me to include both. Other views, including evidence as to the actual 'correct' form of her name, would be welcome. Mooncow (talk) 12:56, 22 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

Proper spelling of the name would be Yael Naim. No : or .. or whatever needed. Let's get it moved. Bstone (talk) 20:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

But when she has apparently used the accents herself, and other persons with the same name use accents, I think we need evidence/sources rather than just conviction as to what the proper spelling "would" be. I have asked the record label "tôt ou tard" and they tell me the correct spelling is NO ACCENTS (although they use accents for her name several times on their own web site!). Accordingly, I've moved this article to 'Yael Naim' (no accents), and removed accents from the article text except where they appear in sources. Mooncow (talk) 21:47, 24 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

This is a random question, but why is her name translated into Arabic? She was born in France and then moved to Israel. She is Israeli and French, not Arabic. She has nothing to do with Arab culture, so shouldn't her name only be translated into Hebrew and if French had different characters, French too? I'm removing the Arabic translation unless somebody has a legitimate reason for it to be there. I'm not under the impression that every article, regardless of whether it has to do with Arabic culture or the language, has to have an Arabic translation. --Shuki18 (talk) 00:34, 14 May 2009 (UTC)Reply