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It's been a bit more recent than 40 years ago. I recall while I was going to CMU in the early 1980s that they got painted pink before the Penn State game one year. - Ken keisel (talk)

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Pitt designation

Hello Crazypaco. Just so I am clear about your 1255294654 revert of "private" in the lede & infobox of University of Pittsburgh please explain. If not private, should it be designated as "public" as are Lincoln University, Pennsylvania State University, and Temple University (which each have "public" in their ledes, etc.)? Also, in the Talk:University of Pittsburgh, ElKevbo points out that US Dept. Ed and Carnegie Classification classifies Pitt as "public". If you maintain that the proper sole designation is "state-related" ("State-related is the actual legal designation. Period.") shouldn't "public" be deleted from the Lincoln, Penn State, and Temple articles? Thanks Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 07:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your message Quaerens-veritatem. The four universities are all designated by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania as state-related, although Penn State has an entirely different governance structure than the other three. For instance, of the four, only Penn State's employees are able to participate in the state employees retirement system, more of their board is controlled by state institutions, and at times, historically, it has been designated "public" by the state. So if you imagine a gradient, if one was grading them on a hypothetical private-public scale, Penn State would fall on the scale closer to "public" than the others. But none are either strictly public or private.

As far as what the should be used to describe the others, I would argue "state-related" is the most accurate for all four, and particularly for Pitt and Temple, with Lincoln receiving more state subsidization as a percentage of its budget, and then Penn State being the most public-like. There have been multiple discussions (see the Talk archive for starters) and RfCs over the years, whose outcomes have been "no consensus, which defaults to the existing status quo of "state-related" across the board." (see the result of the RfC about the description of the governance of this university). Status quo from the beginning for the University of Pittsburgh article was "state-related," although some editors have not respected that. So, based on respect of that principle, I leave it to the editors invested in the articles of those other schools and with the best expertise in those universities to advocate for the best descriptor for them or to leave it at the status quo for those.

I, and others, continue to advocate that just because some classifications, like the Carnegie, employ only either-or-buckets and, perhaps most importantly for a wikipedia article, the actual reality of the University of Pittsburgh does not fit the definitions as described in the corresponding wikipedia articles on public and private universities, and the fact that there is no either-or-bucket for a wikipedia article and it makes no sense to force one. These round pegs schools should not be forced into square holes as doing so does not adhere to Wikipedia's ideal of precision and accuracy. I continue to believe readers of Wikipedia are able to explore the distinctive and legal categorization of "state-related" if they so choose. Bottom line, the use either "public" or "private" does not accurately describe the University of Pittsburgh's status or governance, and the wiki-linked and legal term "state-related" provides the most accurate and only legally accurate descriptor. CrazyPaco (talk) 05:40, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

👍 Thanks CrazyPaco. By the way, text doesn't show up on your talk pa ge when using an iPad, only links, and I had to tap 'edit source' to read the text. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 06:27, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

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