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Martin Schongauer

Admit it - you have been waiting for this: Madonna of the Rose Bower (Schongauer). Edelseider (talk) 15:58, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Arnolfini Portrait

hi @Johnbod. I haven't heard from you on the talk page and wanted to send a message here, extending an olive branch. If there is something I said or did that upset you, please know that it was not intentional. It seemed like the tone my edit summary (certainly not directed at anyone) was the catalyst, but I would like to know more so I can properly address it. I appreciate your very extensive contributions to WP:VA and it would be great to be able to collaborate productively moving forward. I hope you feel the same way. Thanks so much. Ppt91^talk 22:19, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

I thought I had upset you, from what you said. I'm going to be away until next week so don't want to get very deep on the weeds here at the moment. Can we wait? The lead text (not I think originally by me) has been I think prertty much unchanged for 10 years plus, so a few days wait shouldn't matter. Johnbod (talk) 23:43, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Johnbod I tend to read too much into things and am glad this has been resolved. All good in terms of the timeline and no rush at all! Thanks again. Ppt91^talk 03:59, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Cardinal of Portugal's Altarpiece

On 17 September 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Cardinal of Portugal's Altarpiece, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Cardinal of Portugal's Altarpiece (pictured) commemorates a prince who fought in battle aged 14 and died aged 25? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cardinal of Portugal's altarpiece. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Cardinal of Portugal's Altarpiece), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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What are you doing?

You appear to be a Christian (and I had an enjoyable tour of the Royal Society on Sunday) so what's this about the Chinese publisher claiming that the Biblical quote was faked? They CONFIRMED it. Also, I don't see why you have to quote the offending passage in full - just say that the Communists re-wrote it to say Jesus killed the sinner, distorting the message that Christianity is about saving sinners. 2A00:23C0:7984:5101:F828:91E4:4C6C:ED82 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 09:37, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Tholos (architecture)

On 19 September 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Tholos (architecture), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in Greek architecture the round tholos form (example pictured) offered an escape from the "austere conventions" of Greek temple design? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Tholos (architecture). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Tholos (architecture)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Requested move discussion

There is currently a Request Move discussion about William IV. Since you participated in the previous move discussion involving William IV, I thought you might want to know about this one. Cheers. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:17, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Blocked by bot. ‪ST47ProxyBot‬

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Johnbod (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

Caught by an open proxy block but this host or IP is not an open proxy. My IP address is 91.149.239.12. I'm LOGGED IN, not using a ip at all. Johnbod (talk) 03:21, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Accept reason:

In a rare departure from my usual practice (and, indeed, our usual practice) I have taken it upon myself to grant you indefinite IPBE because you are the epitome of a trustworthy user. I know you and respect your work, ten years ago we met in person at Wikimania, you have been editing for as long as I have and you have more edits than I do. I was stunned to see your name in the unblock-request queue, and I am frankly surprised you didn't already have IPBE. — Daniel Case (talk) 06:40, 25 September 2023 (UTC)}C)

Many thanks, Daniel! Johnbod (talk) 13:54, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome. Don't blame ST47 or his bot, really ... it just looks at certain server settings and blocks on that basis, coming back to check again after a certain period of time. It's really your ISP's fault; they might want to know about this, but even if you did I wouldn't expect them to care, unfortunately, based on the staggering amount of these blocks we've had to make worldwide over the past couple of years. Daniel Case (talk) 06:33, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry? The bot blocks logged-in users based on something potentially outside their knowledge or control and you think there's no problem here? Why are we banning people using proxies anyway? Many of our users can't access WP without them. Furius (talk) 08:33, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

I still haven't heard from ST47 on how this happened, or whether it should have done. Johnbod (talk) 15:18, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

@Johnbod: By the time I saw your ping, you had been issued IP Block Exemption, so I don't believe any further action is required here. IP addresses associated with open proxies and VPN services are routinely blocked because they otherwise allow users who are blocked to evade those blocks, which regularly results in fairly nasty vandalism and harassment. The IP address you referenced has been marked as a residential peer-to-peer (or "callback") proxy since September 4th, possibly associated with the "Itop VPN" service, and has been blocked since then. See for example User:ST47ProxyBot#Peer_to_Peer_Proxies. ST47 (talk) 15:33, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

A further comment which may address some confusion. You say I'm LOGGED IN, not using a ip at all. Logging in to a Wikipedia account means that your IP address will not be displayed in the history of pages you edit. However, every interaction on the Internet involves using an IP address, so you use to connect to Wikipedia's servers, even if you are logged in. Blocks of IP addresses can be made with or without the "anonymous users only" flag set. VPNs and proxy blocks are generally made without that flag set, meaning that they apply to logged in users while they are connecting to Wikipedia from that IP address. This is done because there are a number of ways for LTA vandals or harassers to gain access to a large number of accounts which cannot easily be linked together until they are used. Configuring blocks of VPN and proxy services in this way prevents someone from simply switching IP addresses as well as accounts to continue a vandalism spree. This block does not prevent anyone from accessing any part of Wikipedia. Users who require a VPN or proxy in order to edit have always been encouraged to get IP block exemption, which you can get by contacting a CheckUser or through making an unblock request, but which you do not need to worry about because you now have it assigned indefinitely. ST47 (talk) 15:45, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok, I'll look into this. There have been lots of people staying recently. I wasn't aware I was on open proxies and VPN services, whatever they are. Thanks for the reply. Johnbod (talk) 18:40, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

It does not block logged-in users per se. It hardblocks IPs or ranges. John would have been free to edit from another IP address. The workaround is granting IPBE, as I did here. We (admins) used to be able to freely grant IPBE in situations like this. While we still have that authority, some time ago a "this is why we can't have nice things" sort of situation arose with, I imagine, some admin giving it out like a party favor, with predictable exploitation by abusive users, and so now we are strongly discouraged from doing this—as I wrote in my unblock message, since I know John and trust and respect him, I am willing to vouch for him on the belief that there will be no negative consequences of granting him so. I have only done this in a few other situations. Now, we are told that it is much better we have candidates for IPBE vetted by checkuser. It is much preferred that we refer people to WP:IPECPROXY for the instructions for requesting that by email ... I get the feeling this takes a long time (not the CUs' fault with all the other things we ask them to do).

We had a session at Wikimania devoted to this ... a lot of people from Africa in particular talking about how difficult it is to run edit-a-thons and such when they find that no one can create an account, much less edit, except on their phones. It was good to hear from them, as someone so often on the other end, and they were very cordial about this. I think that a lot of Global South ISPs have seen the possibility of some easy money offering VPN and proxy services to people in Canada, Germany, wherever, based on the ranges we've blocked (lots of these clearly in Indonesia, the Phillippines and Yemen, interestingly). But complaining to them is not going to do anything.

One of the stewards explained that there is a procedure, not well known, that allows temporary lifting of parts of those blocks for events like those. What I talked about there, and what I will bring up at next year's Community Wishlist Survey, would be allowing admins to factor user-rights levels when setting blocks ... i.e., block only non-autoconfirmed users, or allow only extended-confirmed users. That would cut down on a lot of the unblock requests we deal with from editors who I absolutely agree should not be caught behind these. Daniel Case (talk) 05:48, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

@User:‪ST47 - what the fuck?? Johnbod (talk) 03:21, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Johnbod, what a business! Did you mean to ping ST47? I've done it for real now. Bishonen | tålk 08:13, 25 September 2023 (UTC).

Thanks! Johnbod (talk) 13:53, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

"Royal Society Editathon, March 4 2014" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Ambika Statue from Dhar

Any thoughts on the title of this one? I wouldn't call a figure in high relief a statue, and the BM's online catalogue entry doesn't use the word. Relief of Ambika from Dhar? Sculpture of Ambika from Dhar? Ham II (talk) 20:36, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, perhaps the former - or Ambika relief from Dhar. I don't think one can claim a proper name. I'll copy this to the article talk, in case anyone else wants to comment. Let's continue there. Btw, the Blurton book calls the figure Sarasvati. One of a number of small puzzles - accession date, who the small figure at top left is .... Johnbod (talk) 01:51, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

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Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

By the way, I enjoyed reading this article. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 21:48, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Johnbod (talk) 03:18, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

National Trust pilot 2

Hello! Thanks for your with the National Trust 2022 pilot. Based on that work, the National Trust is supporting a second pilot, and some information is here WP:GLAM/National Trust. All the best Lajmmoore (talk) 11:52, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Early Netherlandish art

This article you have been looking after is quite well written. After some thought, I am adding 2-3 short paragraphs to cover the importance to Northern master painters to visit Italy. Adapting from Durer article following copying within Wikipedia to start to cover general topic of artists sojourns to Italy. It seems that many went to Italy from the North, and not so many from Italy to the North. Let me know if the idea can be adapted to be of use. HenryRoan (talk) 03:51, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

It's bit early for visiting Italy (and then coming back). But if you must. Lots of references please. I suggest you do a draft on talk there first, as apart from anything else your English often needs touching up. Johnbod (talk) 03:57, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Its in there now with a set of references. I have tried to keep it short. If you can make it more concise, then you are pretty good at this. HenryRoan (talk) 04:04, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Donatello (catalogue of works)

Thanks for the thanks, johnbod. I wanted to tell you myself. I drifted away for a bit, while I had the translation of the catalogue from de:Donatello (Werkkatalog) in the pipeline. What do you think about the intro to the tables, is it ok, or is it too much, self-conceited or pettifogging (kleinkariert) in any way? I thought maybe to retract it as default. MenkinAlRire 15:19, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Well, they are very long. I would include the 1st para in the lead, with a reference to the rest, which I would put below the tables. That would be fine I think. Johnbod (talk) 17:45, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Below, hmm, ok, I'll consider it. Thank you, MenkinAlRire 17:50, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

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hi

References like 1 and 2/6 are key sources in a urdu language, offering insights into his work and life. Sarah FD's book primarily centers on his father and a Privy Court case against him,

I had fixed typo of 19th century as well.

date of birth was removed by an editor due to some reasons which is now fixed. SaneFlint (talk) 20:04, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello from the Pisa Griffin article

Howdy Johnbod,

I realize that we've been getting into somewhat of a fun little "editing war". I am not trying to start and trouble but I am working on a final project for school and I have chosen the Pisa Griffin article to edit and revise a little bit. I'm honestly still learning how to use Wikipedia so if I do anything incorrectly I do apologize. My project is due on December 6th so I just wanted to politely ask if you could reframe from change any of my edits until then, or even better if you have any helpful words or information/ references that you could help me with since you do seem to be somewhat of an expert on the Pisa Griffin.

All the best to you

- shakedownstreet120 :) Shakedownstreet120 (talk) 16:50, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

@Shakedownstreet120: According to Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Dealing_with_WikiEdu_editors_adding_complete_junk_to_articles., your school project doesn't matter to Wikipedia, and you still need to get consensus for your edits. Hemiauchenia (talk) 01:39, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

ITN recognition for John Byrne (playwright)

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Image sizes at Master E. S.

MOS:IMAGESIZE says *Except with very good reason, a fixed width in pixels (e.g. 17px) should not be specified, because it ignores the user's base width setting. Thus upright=scaling factor is preferred whenever an image is to be displayed at something other than the default width. so I don't understand why you chose to revert all my edits to Master E. S.? The default thumbnail is 220px, which is trivially smaller than the 250px. Do you really want insist on a rather silly upright 1.136? (To use 1.25 for the main image would be reasonable to achieve 280 but 1.27 if you want to be picky.) It is not a big article so the adjacent thumbnails don't disrupt the text, so the dispute is really about the means rather than the end.

I only went there to fix an inadequately detailed source

• Master E.S., Alan Shestack, Philadelphia Museum of Art, 1967

to

• Shestack, Alan (1967). Master E S, five hundredth anniversary exhibition, September fifth through October third, Philadelphia Museum of Art. Philadelphia Museum of Art. OCLC 1976512. (Exhibition catalog) )

which was provoked by this edit and in doing so found that Oxford has a copy. I'm sure I will be welcome should I wish to peruse it.

I give way on the section titles.

(Another ten days to the solstice, but in the meantime my compliments of the season to you too. Hopefully I will find a suitably festive image before them.) 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 18:55, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Art question

Am I right in assuming "Depositi delle Gallerie Fiorentine" refers to the storage space for the Uffizi (see here)? If so, should I use the Italian name, or say something like "the store room of the Uffizi in Florence"? Thanks, 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 09:40, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, storage, conservation/restoration workshops etc. Probably they are used for other Florentine galleries too, hence "Gallerie Fiorentine". I wouldn't use the Italian, just say something like "in storage at" or "off-display". Johnbod (talk) 13:40, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again, but the gallery website (Inventory 4410) gives the following provenance:

1. Galleria degli Uffizi, Palazzo degli Uffizi, Firenze
2. Galleria degli Uffizi, Palazzo degli Uffizi, Deposito, Firenze
3. Tribunale Civile e Penale, Firenze, 22-9-1913 (data ingresso)
4. Galleria degli Uffizi, Palazzo degli Uffizi, Deposito, Firenze, 20-7-1934 (data ingresso)
5. Museo Civico, Prato, 20-10-1953 (data ingresso)

Translation:

• Uffizi Gallery, Uffizi Palace, Florence
• Uffizi Gallery, Uffizi Palace, Deposito, Florence
• Civil and Criminal Court, Florence, 22-9-1913 (entry date)
• Uffizi Gallery, Uffizi Palace, Deposito, Florence, 7-20-1934 (entry date)
• Civic Museum, Prato, 10-20-1953 (entry date)

This seems to be saying that the painting has been in the Palazzo Pretorio, Prato since 1953, but all other sources I can find (including recent ones) seem to say this painting is in the storage of the Florentine Museums. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 15:08, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I expect this means it has been lent out to Prato, rather than just sitting in a rack at the Uffizi, but they still own it. Probably go with www.polomuseale, which is official enough. Johnbod (talk) 18:40, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

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Greetings of the solstice

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My best wishes for the solstice season and the new year. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 17:57, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

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Another question

Any idea why some old sources seem to refer to the "left" and "right" of a painting the wrong way round? 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 09:50, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

See proper left. Johnbod (talk) 15:02, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

I understand using the perspective of the figures to describe precisely how they interact. But when referring to a picture generally, I think it would be clearer for the reader to say "the figures to the viewer's left in the foreground", or something like that. Do you agree? 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 04:44, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it's best to specify "viewer's left" or "to the left of the picture" etc. Of course that may not work for sculpture designed to be seen from different angles. It's "in his left hand" etc that is most likely to create ambiguity or confusion. Johnbod (talk) 17:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

The arts

you reinstated, [ceramic art] "excludes glass and mosaics made from glass tesserae. Do you have a reference for that? Tom B (talk) 15:11, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

See glass and ceramic, or dictionaries (or this search). Glass is not now classed as a ceramic, though it often used to be, so a ref is hardly needed. Johnbod (talk) 15:19, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

those are WP articles or google searches, which aren't reliable sources. in any case ceramic engineering says glass is included. This says glass is included: [1]. have you any non-wikipedia sources? Tom B (talk) 16:18, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

No it says Glass-ceramics are included. If glass is ceramic, why does your other link keeps saying "glass AND glass ceramics". Please don't bother me with this during the holidays, and learn how to read sources properly. Happy New Year! Johnbod (talk) 17:04, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

I've been editing here since 2002 and am 43, so have learnt to treat volunteers properly, and with respect. Wikipedia requires non-Wikipedia sources. Again, do you have one? Tom B (talk) 17:17, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

I've moved this discussion to the article talkpage. So it would be good if you could respond there. Having other users see our interaction might improve it, Tom B (talk) 17:30, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

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DYK for Dragonesque brooch

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Holbein thing

Disappointing that the criteria aren't met for a DYK for The Ambassadors (Holbein). I guess I could expand what the guy says - but if he was right about the optic idea, back in 1963, and has been forgotten about all this time, and Wikipedia has uncovered it - then that is quite a big deal, no? Jim Killock (talk) 18:51, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

You have to expand the whole article x5, which would mean a small book. Going for GA would be easier, but personally I'm pretty dubious about this one guy's suggestion, and it probably shouldn't be the hook. Johnbod (talk) 18:55, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

No reason not to be dubious but it seems quite convincing to me. I think this may well escape but we'll see, Jim Killock (talk) 19:03, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Parel Relief

Hello! I saw that you reverted my edits on Parel Relief and I suppose it can be seen as pointless fiddling. :) But to clarify, that info in the lead isn't mentioned in the body of the article so was attempting to fix that per WP:LEAD. If you don't agree with having a "history" section, the info could at least be included in the context section and then be better summarized in the lead? Eucalyptusmint (talk) 16:23, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it could, but how is that an improvement? Johnbod (talk) 18:01, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

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WikiJournal of Humanities Submission

Hey, Johnbod! Long time no see. I trust that you are doing alright these days. As for myself, I have been relaxing and taking it slow on Wikipedia, but of course, I would still love to help with content creation. Speaking of that, regarding a thread located at User talk:PericlesofAthens#WikiJournal of Humanities Submission, my good friend Mr. Pericles believes that your are a qualified individual who is able to give me some pointers for my nomination of Edward I of England at the WikiJournal of Humanities; and I could not agree more. May I humbly ask for you to take a quick look at the thread and see if there is any guidance you can provide me? Thank you kindly, and have a great day. Cheers, Unlimitedlead (talk) 21:01, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot about this. Ed I isn't really my period, nor "straight history" my thing. No experience with the journal either. I see User:Ealdgyth din't review it - maybe she could. On a very quick look, are you sure the latest scholarship is reflected? Generally, it looks pretty good. Johnbod (talk) 04:09, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Unlimitedlead have you seen my reply to your email on this? Dudley Miles (talk) 09:38, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I understand. Thank you for the guidance, Johnbod! I will see you around in due time, I am sure. Cheers. Unlimitedlead (talk) 01:53, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

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"Groups"

This Category:Archaeological artefact groups, does it make sense to you? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Not much - I mean I can see the idea, but.... There is also Category:Archaeological artefact types - arrow, adze & so on. That's much better populated; the "groups" should either have about x10 the members, or probably nothing. I must confess I find it irritating that our archaeological editors tend to only categorize their stuff in archaeology trees, and not in the wider categories for the type of thing. Also I'm not aware that "group" has a particular meaning in A - or one that would be right for these. Pottery wares are more a "type", I'd say, with "group" being a much small number of distinctive finds. None of the articles in the cat use "group" I think, while several use "type" and/or "style". Are you asking the wikiproject? Some sensible people there. Johnbod (talk) 15:21, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

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Twinkle

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Palladian bridges

Hagley Park

Hello! I was wondering if you could help me with something, as one of our resident English garden experts. It's not related to the encyclopedia, just personal interest.

The Palladian bridges at Wilton House, Prior Park, Stowe, and Stourhead are apparently the only ones in existence. Assuming this is true, what makes the Stourhead bridge particularly Palladian? The other three examples are all very similar and presumably based on both each other and Palladio's unexecuted design for the Rialto in Venice, but Stourhead's looks like a generic round-arched bridge. What am I missing, can you help at all? Ta, A.D.Hope (talk) 14:57, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

No, It seems one of the few non-Palladian parts of the park ensemble. Who's calling it that? There's also a rather weeny one at Hagley Park, plus Catherine the Great did one, the Marble Bridge. The section at Wilton House seems good. Johnbod (talk) 15:34, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

I just saw the claim in a blog post, and thought it didn't ring true – the National Trust seems to use the slightly less grand claim 'one of only four Palladian bridges of this design in the world'. The Hagley Park bridge is very cute, look at it! A.D.Hope (talk) 16:45, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

A simpler design certainly, but Historic England does call it Palladian, citing the original design as from the second book of Leoni's The Architecture of A. Palladio, in Four Books. KJP1 (talk) 17:37, 28 February 2024 (UTC) KJP1 (talk) 17:37, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Ah, so it's Palladian in the most literal sense. It does bear a resemblance to this bridge in Leoni's treatise, albeit simplified. A.D.Hope (talk) 17:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Well, yes, they are both designed to cross water. Even in English 18th-century architecture it takes more than dropping a keystone 1 1/2 inches to make something Palladian, imo (and the Leoni doesn't do that). Of course in America they would doubtless call it "Greek Revival", as they do with every house with a door in the middle and symmetrical windows. Johnbod (talk) 18:45, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

I agree with you, even though I can believe the design is inspired by Palladio, the bridge is so simple as to barely have a style at all. It's a bit like arguing whether Elvet Bridge in Durham is Early English or Decorated, there's just not enough to go on. A.D.Hope (talk) 18:55, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Edit was at Laszlo Toth

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Multan Sun Temple

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Depiction of Jesus

Hi John. Would you know where I can get started with finding information about the depiction of Jesus, that is, the change from the arisen Christ to the suffering Jesus at the cross? Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 07:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Depiction of Jesus (partly by me) is a decent start, or the references. I think Grabar is perhaps the best on the very early stuff. But it's a complicated subject - I don't really recognise a "change from the arisen Christ to the suffering Jesus at the cross", though Passion subjects only came in around the 6th century, but after that both very much ran together. Also Early Christian art and architecture, Christ in Majesty, Crucifixion in the arts, Life of Jesus in art, and articles in Category:Iconography of Jesus, plus ones on individual works. If you wanted a book, I don't know a single one that covers the whole subject historically, though I'm sure there are some. Schiller does that, but mostly subject by subject. Johnbod (talk) 12:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia Library Request - Feel Free to Support

Hi,

Sorry for using your talk page, but I couldn't think of a better way to access you. You have shown an interest in British (Country House) Architectural History. I have suggested that Wikipedians gain access to the Country Life Archive on The Wikipedia Library (https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/suggest/). Please feel free to support this suggestion (titled "Country Life Archive (Proquest)" on the above page) if you think this is a good idea.

Feel free to @ me here with any questions.

Cheers, EPEAviator (talk) 02:47, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean

Re [2] – your comment implies there are two third places, but you are the only third place? Also, how have you been? Haven't spoken in a while! Aza24 (talk) 22:53, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

No, only one 3rd, but 2 4ths. But looking at it again, you are right. Self-reverted! I'm fine, thanks - oddly busy. And yourself? Johnbod (talk) 00:44, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Doing fine as well! Was much busier last month but things seem to be settling down now. Do you have a taste for Gerhard Richter? I've found myself enjoying his work quite a bit lately. Aza24 (talk) 02:52, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

What a cheeke

Just re-read this, great work by you. I'm thinking of writing the article on it following today's ruling [3] No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Right - hadn't seen that, thanks! I wonder how it will be attributed at the inevitable sale? I think most of his VDs were less plausible than this one. Johnbod (talk) 04:38, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

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