User talk:Kudpung/Archive Dec 2018
The Signpost: 1 December 2018
edit- From the editor: Time for a truce
- Special report: The Christmas wishlist
- Discussion report: Farewell, Mediation Committee
- Arbitration report: A long break ends
- Traffic report: Queen reigns for four weeks straight
- Gallery: Intersections
- From the archives: Ars longa, vita brevis
Administrators' newsletter – December 2018
editNews and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2018).
Administrator changes
Al Ameer son • Randykitty • Spartaz
Boson • Daniel J. Leivick • Efe • Esanchez7587 • Fred Bauder • Garzo • Martijn Hoekstra • Orangemike
Interface administrator changes
Guideline and policy news
- Following a request for comment, the Mediation Committee is now closed and will no longer be accepting case requests.
- A request for comment is in progress to determine whether members of the Bot Approvals Group should satisfy activity requirements in order to remain in that role.
- A request for comment is in progress regarding whether to change the administrator inactivity policy, such that administrators "who have made no logged administrative actions for at least 12 months may be desysopped". Currently, the policy states that administrators "who have made neither edits nor administrative actions for at least 12 months may be desysopped".
- A proposal has been made to temporarily restrict editing of the Main Page to interface administrators in order to mitigate the impact of compromised accounts.
Technical news
- Administrators and bureaucrats can no longer unblock themselves unless they placed the block initially. This change has been implemented globally. See also this ongoing village pump discussion (permalink).
- To complement the aforementioned change, blocked administrators will soon have the ability to block the administrator that placed their block to mitigate the possibility of a compromised administrator account blocking all other active administrators.
- Since deployment of Partial blocks on Test Wikipedia, several bugs were identified. Most of them are now fixed. Administrators are encouraged to test the new deployment and report new bugs on Phabricator or leave feedback on the Project's talk page. You can request administrator access on the Test Wiki here.
Arbitration
- Voting in the 2018 Arbitration Committee Elections is open to eligible editors until Monday 23:59, 3 December 2018. Please review the candidates and, if you wish to do so, submit your choices on the voting page.
Miscellaneous
- In late November, an attacker compromised multiple accounts, including at least four administrator accounts, and used them to vandalize Wikipedia. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately. Sharing the same password across multiple websites makes your account vulnerable, especially if your password was used on a website that suffered a data breach. As these incidents have shown, these concerns are not pure fantasies.
- Wikipedia policy requires administrators to have strong passwords. To further reinforce security, administrators should also consider enabling two-factor authentication. A committed identity can be used to verify that you are the true account owner in the event that your account is compromised and/or you are unable to log in.
Obituaries
- Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (Raymond Arritt) passed away on 14 November 2018. Boris joined Wikipedia as Raymond arritt on 8 May 2006 and was an administrator from 30 July 2007 to 2 June 2008.
December 2018 GOCE newsletter
editGuild of Copy Editors December 2018 Newsletter
 Hello and welcome to the December 2018 GOCE newsletter. Here is what's been happening since the August edition.  Thanks to everyone who participated in the August blitz (results), which focused on Requests and the oldest backlog month. Of the twenty editors who signed up, eleven editors recorded 37 copy edits. For the September drive (results), of the twenty-three people who signed up, nineteen editors completed 294 copy edits. Our October blitz (results) focused on Requests, geography, and food and drink articles. Of the fourteen people who signed up, eleven recorded a total of 57 copy edits. For the November drive (results), twenty-two people signed up, and eighteen editors recorded 273 copy edits. This helped to bring the backlog to a six-month low of 825 articles. The December blitz will run for one week, from 16 to 22 December. Sign up now! Elections: Nominations for the Guild's coordinators for the first half of 2019 will be open from 1 to 15 December. Voting will then take place and the election will close on 31 December at 23:59 UTC. Positions for Guild coordinators, who perform the important behind-the-scenes tasks that keep our project running smoothly, are open to all Wikipedians in good standing. We welcome self-nominations, so please consider nominating yourself if you've ever thought about helping out; it's your Guild and it doesn't run itself! Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators; Reidgreg, Baffle gab1978, Jonesey95, Miniapolis and Tdslk. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.
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editThat editor is wrong, BTW. Actually WP:V does not say such material can't be kept. If that was true, there'd be no such thing as templates existing to put in articles, noting things are unsourced! That being said. I don't know why the text is in that section, what's it's relevance is, etc. I don't mean anything negative by that, but any attempt to restore the text, should improve it so that such questions don't exist. Though that doesn't allow editors to reference non-existent rules. One is always free to improve and source text, rather than simply deleting it! Nfitz (talk) 01:57, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
- Nfitz, as you have rightly pointed out, AlexTheWhovian's comment does not defend his action in any way. It is naturally up to him to familiarise himself with policies and guidelines, after all, he has created an admirable 176 new articles himself and Dr Who seems to be a special focus of his. I do notice from a brief review of his talk page archives that a significant number of comments appear to be about questionable removals of content, made yet more poignant by your comment here. He should at least try to adopt a more collaborative approach to his editing and not lecture me on content rules - over the years I have been instrumental in developing some of the notability requirements and content control on Wikipedia and I am always open to discussion about my own edits. (FYI: Rodericksilly). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:27, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
- If you've been here so long, then why as it so hard to copy the actual content, instead of the numbered reference tags? mean, [4] and [5]? That's not helpful at all. Was it a lack of desire to contribute? It's a bit worrying, I do hope you can contribute towards this great site more effectively in the future, we're always here if you need pointers. Cheers! -- AlexTW 02:31, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
- You can drop the snark Alex, it's precicely your kind of drama mongering that puts people off wanting to collaborate at all. I've pointed out the misgivings over your own editing. (FYI Nfitz). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:54, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
- I enjoy collaborating! Collaborating effectively, that is, not having to clean up after other people, I guess there's a difference. -- AlexTW 07:49, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
- Alex, I said 'drop the drama' - collaborating effectively does not include snark and winding people up . Please don't post here again. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:58, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
- I enjoy collaborating! Collaborating effectively, that is, not having to clean up after other people, I guess there's a difference. -- AlexTW 07:49, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
- You can drop the snark Alex, it's precicely your kind of drama mongering that puts people off wanting to collaborate at all. I've pointed out the misgivings over your own editing. (FYI Nfitz). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:54, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
- If you've been here so long, then why as it so hard to copy the actual content, instead of the numbered reference tags? mean, [4] and [5]? That's not helpful at all. Was it a lack of desire to contribute? It's a bit worrying, I do hope you can contribute towards this great site more effectively in the future, we're always here if you need pointers. Cheers! -- AlexTW 02:31, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Dud redirect at Webbed foot
editHi Kudpung, How are you keep, lad? I was wondering if your available, can you please remove Webbed foot. I intend to put this draft at Draft:Webbed foot into its place, assuming it passed copyvio. Thanks. scope_creepTalk 19:54, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
- scope_creep, On taking a quick look, I'm not sure I understand this request. Kaldari has edited the article recently and it looks perfectly in order to me. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:38, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
- It was in draft when I left a message. While I was away, and you were cogitating, somebody else stepped in, removed the old redirect and approved the draft into mainspace and Kaldari stepped in and applied some extra fixes to the article. Its all done and dusted. Excellently reasearched article it is too. scope_creepTalk 00:49, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
RFA question
editNo, the question's not about my RFA(s), but rather about someone else's. The question is, do you think that Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Foreverxnature should be deleted since the user who created it (i.e. self-nominated) has no chance of passing RFA now? (I previously tried to draw admin attention to this at WT:RFA but haven't gotten a response, so I figured maybe this would be faster.) IntoThinAir (talk) 04:55, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
- IntoThinAir, please see the discussion at WT:RfA. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:57, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
- So you think it should be deleted? I know that's what you said at WT:RFA ("I reallise the importance of on-boarding, but if these are from kids, or just a prank, I would be inclined to delete them, and take it from there.") but of course if you thought it should be deleted, surely you would've deleted it yourself. I am aware of the discussion you're referring to, having posted in that discussion already, but I'm not sure why you're pointing me to it. IntoThinAir (talk) 13:35, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
- IntoThinAir, I still say that the place to discuss this is at WT:RfA. Abandoned RfAs are really a trivial matter, and not something that I or other admins want to spend much of their their time on. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:50, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
- So you think it should be deleted? I know that's what you said at WT:RFA ("I reallise the importance of on-boarding, but if these are from kids, or just a prank, I would be inclined to delete them, and take it from there.") but of course if you thought it should be deleted, surely you would've deleted it yourself. I am aware of the discussion you're referring to, having posted in that discussion already, but I'm not sure why you're pointing me to it. IntoThinAir (talk) 13:35, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
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editHave replied to your ping re Boleyn. Three things. They had already gone on a break by the time I asked them not to bi-weekly continue blanket templating an editor who is a friend of mine. [2] IE I was already defending a very prolific and informed editor who was on the verge of retiring. The irony is palatable! Third, did you read up... before saying I should be ashamed...which is a rather slanderous and smug thing to say, worse as you threw it out so flippantly. Seems to me you acted instinctively and emotionally, rather than with the facts at hand. Ceoil (talk) 23:00, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
- I had read that entire thread at Boleyn's talk page. I was moved by the comment by de facto coord of NPR, Insertcleverphrasehere's comment, and his hard work at NPR following in my footsteps as 'grandfather' of the process since I resigned from coaxing it along for many years (I was instrumental min getting the Curation system developed, and this year of achieving WP:ACTRIAL after a long battle with the WMF) , and I regard his work and collaboration on these projects as admirable - I therefore largely support his opinions. Without NPR, Wikipedia would be full of spam, adverts, attack pages, and other junk. (off topic): NPR is a far more important process than FA and demands a high engagement from its active operators. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:55, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- Your reply is too self serving and evasive to make sense in plain English. Want to try again because now I dont know what the hell? Hint, I am wondering if either we are about handing ready to go templates to new editors and letting them run wild unsupervised, or standing up for and clinging to long term survivors that have demonstrated form and in fact make participation in the project worthwhile. I still dont get why I should be..."ashamed", but interested, as it was a heavy duty accusation. Ceoil (talk) 01:02, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- Ceoil, I believe my message is quite clear. Self-serving (to some extent) maybe, but I am adamant that the hard work of myself and others in protecting the integrity of Wikipedia's content to be paramount. It also therefore puts–off topic–in context the opinions we have had in the past expressed by other prolific editors - is FA not sometimes a self-serving exercise? Loosing vital maintenance editors ls not good, and I will do everything I can to support them. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:13, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- Kudpung that kind of wishy washy *(I believe my message is quite clear" is sub polotico speak), neither here nor there thinking is of no use to me. How do you feel about reiterating your claim that I should be..."ashamed". I suppose either put up or....If you have the courage of your convections I would like to hear them in non woolly terms. Or you could just retract and apologise. Ceoil (talk) 01:23, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- Ceoil, was I the first to mention 'shame' and/or incivility? It's a question now of who is being rude to whom - please read my 'woolly' and 'wishy washy' comments again. I for my part have been around long enough to develop a thick skin, but IMO your comments to Boleyn were beyond the pale; notwithstanding, I note that you are also supportive of users who have been 'burned out', so I am at a loss to understand your attitude. I will not be responding again, it's 08:30 am and I have work to do in RL. FYI: Boleyn, Insertcleverphrasehere. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:44, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- So you believe that templating regulars is just fine, and those who heed caution, specially me in this instance, should be "ashamed". You could have said that 3 hours ago. I found your evasiveness all this time expatriating and deeply unimpressive; I just wanted to know where I stood, no more, not get blood out of a stone, which is what this became. Given this level of muddled thinking I suspect yo are often pleading ...must get to work or pinging guys to help (coward)...when not hounding for blocks, which it seems I might have faced next if I had not challenged you directly, Ceoil (talk) 01:50, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- Ceoil, expatriating? "coward' is it now? Like I said, I have grown a thick skin, and I am an admin who has never blocked anyone for PA. Sorry, but I'm now in the car on my way to work - yes, I really still do a full-time job, but that is none of your business, and please give it a rest with your constant causing edit conflicts. Over and out. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:05, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- So you believe that templating regulars is just fine, and those who heed caution, specially me in this instance, should be "ashamed". You could have said that 3 hours ago. I found your evasiveness all this time expatriating and deeply unimpressive; I just wanted to know where I stood, no more, not get blood out of a stone, which is what this became. Given this level of muddled thinking I suspect yo are often pleading ...must get to work or pinging guys to help (coward)...when not hounding for blocks, which it seems I might have faced next if I had not challenged you directly, Ceoil (talk) 01:50, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- Ceoil, was I the first to mention 'shame' and/or incivility? It's a question now of who is being rude to whom - please read my 'woolly' and 'wishy washy' comments again. I for my part have been around long enough to develop a thick skin, but IMO your comments to Boleyn were beyond the pale; notwithstanding, I note that you are also supportive of users who have been 'burned out', so I am at a loss to understand your attitude. I will not be responding again, it's 08:30 am and I have work to do in RL. FYI: Boleyn, Insertcleverphrasehere. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:44, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- Kudpung that kind of wishy washy *(I believe my message is quite clear" is sub polotico speak), neither here nor there thinking is of no use to me. How do you feel about reiterating your claim that I should be..."ashamed". I suppose either put up or....If you have the courage of your convections I would like to hear them in non woolly terms. Or you could just retract and apologise. Ceoil (talk) 01:23, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- Ceoil, I believe my message is quite clear. Self-serving (to some extent) maybe, but I am adamant that the hard work of myself and others in protecting the integrity of Wikipedia's content to be paramount. It also therefore puts–off topic–in context the opinions we have had in the past expressed by other prolific editors - is FA not sometimes a self-serving exercise? Loosing vital maintenance editors ls not good, and I will do everything I can to support them. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:13, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
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and a New Year filled with peace and happiness!
Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 08:39, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
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Merry Christmas Kudpung
Hi Kudpung, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year,
May next year be prosperous and joyful.
–Scopecreep Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 11.02, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
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Kudpung,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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