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Flow

Hi, there! Here are some pointers if you want to contribute to Flow. You may first want to read mw:How to become a MediaWiki hacker to get a basic grasp of the MediaWiki architecture, and sign up for Labs access so you will be able to propose patches via Gerrit. See mw:Extension:Flow for instructions on how to install Flow on your local testing wiki, and phab:tag/mediawiki-extensions-flow for open tasks to work on. Good luck! Zhaofeng Li [talk... contribs...] 08:57, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

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TemplateData

Hi.

Thanks for the contribution to Template:Infobox file format, but please place TemplateData into its /doc page.

Also, TemplateData must start with {{TemplateDataHeader}}, not {{TemplateData}}.

Thanks again. And happy new year.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 02:21, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for informing me.NetworkOP (talk) 13:43, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Template:Infobox file format

Hi! Thank you for contributing to Template:Infobox file format/doc. Although, could you, please, stop further edits related to TemplateData? I am already adding it to it as a part of mw:Google Code-in 2014 task. :) M4tx (talk) 13:52, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Are asking me to stop helping or something? Surely if I help the work would get done faster?NetworkOP (talk) 13:55, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

I cannot have any help during the work, so I am asking you to stop helping with TemplateData in Template:Infobox file format/doc. :) M4tx (talk) 14:01, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Oh, it's coding project. Sorry for the misunderstanding.NetworkOP (talk) 15:27, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Userpage

Hello! Here's a "coding tip" for you: If you write something on your user page, and thereby create it, you will get rid of the red "newbie-color" on your signature and it will turn a normal blue. Here are some more tips for your page:

For making your user page look nice, see: Wikipedia:User page design center. You can also "clone/borrow/steal" the code from someone else's user page. Just ensure that you change it enough that it does not look like you are trying to impersonate the other user. Wikipedia:User pages is a good guide as to what kind of things are appropriate in user space. And when you use the work someone else has created, in the edit summary please attribute the work to them by naming the user you copied the content from. If you want to add userboxes you can start here: Wikipedia:Userboxes. There are also many, many customized userboxes floating around on user pages in the Wikipedia, if you find one you fancy just copy the code from the page. If you are further interested in defining yourself and your style there is also the Wikipedia fauna. Best, w.carter-Talk 15:10, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Done, thanks.NetworkOP (talk) 15:25, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome. You might want to check your facts though. The quote from the Teahouse you are using as reference for your statement about the paid staff on Wikipedia was:

• "Wikipedia has 241 by my count, only some of which are in the technology end, and which includes 20 fellowships" (I have the full quote on my talk page as well if you want to check)

That means that the entire staff is 241 people. And as stated only "some of them" have technical knowledge. That is not what you have written on your page. Being an encyclopedia, we take correct facts very seriously. w.carter-Talk 16:00, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Done, fixed.NetworkOP (talk) 18:00, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Excellent! Good. If you want to write "Done" the cool Wikiway there is a template for it.

• Write {{done}} which will result in  Done. Best, w.carter-Talk 18:48, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Can you mentor me?NetworkOP (talk) 18:49, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind request, but I am too much of a free spirit to tie myself to such a commitment. My way of helping newcomers is much less formal (besides, I have not been here for such a long time myself, just long enough to pick up a thing or three). I monitor and watch the progress of editors that I help, I show up now and again with helpful tips and most of the time I am available for your questions as your friend. I think that is all you really need. There are other editors who do mentoring, but that is mostly for younger editors who have trouble with understanding how the coding works and have never heard of a script, and you are way beyond that. Let's keep it this way for now. It is how I was tutored here and I think it turned out rather well. Always welcome! w.carter-Talk 19:03, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

How to alert other editors

"Editor w.carter" gently explaining the rules and regulations of the Wikipedia to a newbie.

Moving on to lesson No. 2, aka "How to use the phone on the Wiki". Right now I have you on my Watchlist so I check your replies. That will not always be the case. Here are some tips for communicating with the rest of us:

When someone is posting on your talk page you get an automatic notification. That notification is a red square followed by a long yellow box (for most browsers and settings). In all other cases you have to alert the other editor in some way, either by "ping" or by mentioning them in a link. This will result in a just the red box notification on that users pages. So even if you respond on your talk page you still have to alert the editor you are addressing. If you want to get hold of me you write {{ping|W.carter}} resulting in @W.carter: or [[User:W.carter|W.carter]] resulting in W.carter and sign with the four "squiggles" ~~~~ at the end and hit "Save". There are some more, but these are the basics. And when you ask something on someone's talk page, you also create a new section so your question don't get entangled in some other conversation. If you are having a conversation with another user on some page, it is also customary to add that page to your Watchlist in case someone in the discussion forgets to alert.

Ah, yes, there are some welcoming cookies for you as well.

The policy is to leave an answer on the same page as the question, keep the conversation intact unless there is some reason for moving it elsewhere. Like complicated questions at the Teahouse can be continued on the appropriate talk page. Happy editing! (and hope you have a healthy dose of humor, you're gonna need it, but since you're MIT I'm betting on it) :) w.carter-Talk 18:59, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

@W.carter:Thank you for your advice. I was just wondering, wikicode has lots of elements of HTML in it. So why not go for pure HTML in wikipages? It's really not that difficult to learn, not even for some-one who doesn't know what a script is. Also, is wikicode a mixture of two different languages or did you make your own language?NetworkOP (talk) 19:13, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

In MIT when I was studying you case study (wikipedia's case study) I already learnt a lot about your infrastructure and how you work in general. It ranges from how you started from nothing and grew into a giant. We also learnt about notability, meaning you only allow topics that are significant. We also learnt a bit about how you used to struggle with vandalism (kids with too much time on thier hands) in the past and how you made cluebot to deal with that. Also learnt about 3RR, how you deal with disputes and the list goes on... Also, another thing we learnt about, apparently many editors in good standing today started of by messing about - is that true?NetworkOP (talk) 19:25, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Doing a lot if HTML editing (websites) in my day job, I agree that some things are similar, but as to the "History of the Wikicode", that is way before my time, so I'm sorry but I don't know. Maybe you can find some answers at this page: Help:Wiki markup, otherwise the correct place for such questions is at the Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) or maybe ask editor Technical_13 who is our resident technical expert.

New trick for you: If you are searching for something WP-related, just type WP:Whatever-you are looking-for in the searchbox (Upper right corner) and some options will present themselves. Right now I had no idea where too look for answer for you, so I typed "WP:Wikicode" and got redirected to the right page.

It looks like you have had the perfect education for helping out here! :) As for the "messy" start, yep, true. It really just depend on who you get in contact with during your first time here. Some new users screw up and get booted out by more practical minded senior editors, some are getting second chances and some again (like me) mouth off and misbehave because they don't understand and then get picked up by some kind, gentle and very patient editors who show them how things are done and the new user shapes up and become rather well liked and productive. Helping new users is my way of paying this forward. The worst vandals are always the smart ones, who could do some great things if they only got the chance. :) w.carter-Talk 19:47, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Ah, so you are a gamer turned goalkeeper, nice. How is Suffix Tree Clustering looking, just something I learnt at UNI.NetworkOP (talk) 19:53, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, sort of.. :)I have to get back to you on the article later tonight in a couple of hours. I'm helping another new user out simultaneously, and he asked for help with something first, so... See ya'! w.carter-Talk 20:03, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Suffix Tree Clustering

Ok, I took a look at it. So... you started of a new article directly in the main space. Bad move. You should always start them up either in your sandbox or as Draft:Suffix Tree Clustering. Right now it is in danger of getting a speedy deletion, especially since it has no links to other articles, no categories, is written in a way that may be difficult for laymen to understand and the references are just bare urls. So a lot of work needs to be done. Take a look at Help:Referencing for beginners for starters. I'll fix up the refs for you so you can look and learn. You should also copy it to your sandbox for safekeeping if someone makes a speedy deletion of it. Try to find some appropriate categories for it as well. w.carter-Talk 21:41, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

@W.carter:Isn't speedy deletion only is if an article is non-notable or it has no meaningful content? My article falls into neither categories.NetworkOP (talk) 21:44, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

I can't see it falling into A1 or A3 because those only apply if an article is meaningless. A7 also doesn't apply here. It is not a hoax, not an attack page, what is there to speedy delete it?NetworkOP (talk) 21:48, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

wikilinks and cats added.NetworkOP (talk) 22:01, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm not a page reviewer yet (to be sure, you have to ask someone who is), so I can't say for certain, it just looked a bit on the dangerous side for me, and you would have gotten tagged with all the things I pointed out, so better safe than sorry. But please use the "Draft:..." from now on. I corrected some of the links. If an article has "almost the same name" as your link, you can tweak it like use [[suffix tree]]s instead of [[Suffix tree|suffix trees]]. Check it in the preview. It is also better to use the final desination instead of the redirected page. Always check where the redirects lead before using them as links. Agglomerative hierarchical clustering redirects to Hierarchical clustering so it's better to use that. And you will soon get a message from a Bot since you linked to a disambiguation page. Bingo! Your first. :) That means that you just wrote [[cluster]] and that ends up at a page with all the meanings of "Cluster". You have to suss out which one of them to link to, readers should not be kept guessing. Always check where your links end up! Otherwise other editors will have to go in and try to do this maintenance job for the article later, and that is totally unnecessary and disrespectful. So fix it directly. Btw, do you know what a script is? Have you used one? There are a lot of those here that can help you in your editing. w.carter-Talk 22:23, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

My article would have been tagged with orphan, uncategorized and maybe wikify - I have already learnt this at UNI. I do know how reviewing works (see my latest edits), no-one in the right minds would speedy delete that. And yes, next time I will use draft.NetworkOP (talk) 22:28, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, you seem to know more about reviewing than I do since you are already reviewing articles. We each have our area of expertise, mine is more the grunt work of editing. Just be careful when you tag articles since you are new, the seniors will be keeping an eye on you. That's all for tonight, I have to fix some of my own editing now. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 22:38, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Sam Poh Tong

I have just provided valid external links and references from my statement. Furthermore, I also contributed enough and adequate information about the history and the origin of this temple. Williamteoh97 (talk) 3 January 2015 (UTC)

@Williamteoh97: Thanks for that, but please ensure you do that when you create an article to make sure it doesn't get marked for deletion on grounds of notability.NetworkOP (talk) 22:34, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion

Hello, NetworkOP.

I wanted only to explain because it is seems been a misunderstanding and or I did not submitted enough references in page Tihana Abrlić. In the title page itself standing surname Abrlić, and in reference Jurić. Abrlić her maiden name, and Jurić marry so that you do not make any confusion.

If this is not enough explanation and still need additional insertion of references, I will try to arrange as soon as possible article.

If you don't understand this message, you can leave a note on my talk page. Nn94 14 (talk) 22:48, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

I hope it's OK at this point. Nn94 14 (talk) 23:13, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

@Nn94 14:While it is no longer in danger of being deleted due to notability issues, please consider expanding it if you can to contain more meaningful content.NetworkOP (talk) 11:21, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

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 Done fixed.NetworkOP (talk) 17:41, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Re:Template requests

The two templates you asked me about: Template:Ministry of Transportation and Template:Ministry of Energy were not requested by me. The request was not signed so I asked on the request page for the requester to identify him/herself.
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I understand!

Hello, NetworkOP! I understand what you mean! Thank you for your attention! Potter Uz (talk) 14:51, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

@Potter Uz: Before you make any similar articles, please insert you add sources to assert notability this time. See WP:N for more info.NetworkOP (talk) 17:51, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

@NetworkOP: Thank for attention! Clearly! Potter Uz (talk) 04:46, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Robbie Buttigieg

You added an orphan tag to Robbie Buttigieg, but John Buttigieg already linked to it? Beatpoet (talk) 18:42, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

@Beatpoet: You have just introduced the link recently (after I put the orphan tag). I have removed this, but in the future please remove the tag yourself after you introduce links from another page. Regards.NetworkOP (talk) 18:47, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

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Moore feedback

Hello again! After having answered your message at my talk page, I also took a look at a couple of the articles you have created. While the was nothing "wrong" with them they could do with some additional TLC. They had the "bare necessities", and I know that you are a theoretical guy rather than a writer, but it is also good to learn how to edit really properly when you create articles. You can look at the changes and additions I made at Lewis Turning Point and LXLE Linux. You should do the refs all the way with the requisite parameters and links. It is also good to actually click on the links you make and see where they end up at last and not just at a redirect. Also keep an eye on the caps. It is just as vital for an article to look pleasant and, well beautiful, and easy to read for the reader who look it up at the WP, as it is for all the facts to be right. That is something that is taken very seriously in GAs and FAs, so it's good to learn it from the beginning.

I did some light detective work with the "Lewis Turning Point", that is I put it in the search box and viewed all pages containing that phrase. An found a redirect, "Lewis turning point", to W. Arthur Lewis and on that page an anchor at "Lewisian turning point" and from there to pages that mentioned the thing. All those are now instead linked to "your" page. :) Nice huh? They also provided me with some clues about categories for that page.

Remember that I said I was helping another new editor at the same time as you? You started about the same time. He is dedicated to all these little details in creating articles (not a theoretical guy) but because of that his two first articles are now GAN, Lalji Singh and Sunil Kumar Verma if you want to take a look. Don't know if you are interested in such things as GAs in the future, but you never know. :) Best, w.carter-Talk 22:40, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, we all have our area. Personally, I feel each area is equally important. For example: if there were no new page patrollers, Wikipedia would be filled with attack pages and clearly non-notable articles. If they were no template editors, then who would update all those infoboxes for you? Thanks for the advice though...NetworkOP (talk) 17:39, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Of course they are equally important, and as a newbie you should try a bit of everything to see where you are best suited for work here and what you enjoy most. Best, w.carter-Talk 18:32, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

A cheeseburger for you!

Nice work on the Encryption ban proposal in the United Kingdom, looks much better now. w.carter-Talk 10:59, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Encryption ban proposal in the United Kingdom

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