Perryprog

Stradella Bass System

Dear Perryprog,

I am writing to discuss your recent removal of the external links I added to the Wikipedia page about the Stradella bass system. As you may know, according to the External Links page, acceptable external links include those that contain accurate and on-topic further research, information that couldn't be included in the article due to copyright or amount of detail, or other meaningful, relevant content that isn't suitable for inclusion in the article.

I want to emphasize that the links I added fulfill all these criteria. They provide accurate and on-topic information about the Stradella bass system, which couldn't be included in the article due to the amount of detail and the nature of the information. As an expert in this field, I believe that these links are essential for anyone who wants to learn more about the topic.

If you have a different opinion on this matter, I would be happy to have a conversation with you and learn more about your expertise in this field that led you to conclude that the links are not appropriate or of high quality.

I believe that by restoring the links, we can provide valuable information to the readers and uphold the principles of Wikipedia, which encourage the dissemination of accurate and relevant information.

Therefore, I kindly request that you reconsider your decision and restore the links to the Wikipedia page.

Thank you for your attention to this matter, and I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Best regards,

Giovanni Lucifero GioLuc76 (talk) 23:05, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi GioLuc76—thanks for going to talk with me instead of just adding back in the links. That's super appreciated. I will note though that this isn't any "decision" in a formal sense; I'm just as much an editor as you are.

Regarding the links: Wikipedia has a pretty stringent policy when it comes to references, and an even stricter one when it comes to external links. While I do appreciate that you certainly have plenty of expertise in this area, you do appear to have a conflict of interest with AccordionChords.com, and it appears to be a financial conflict of interest as well, on account of the site having ads. This has some additional, in some cases legal, implications that I'd recommend reading up on (fully!) at WP:PAID.

Besides the financial conflict of interest policies that you need to abide by when editing about that thing you have a conflict of interest with (here this is really just that website, not accordions in general, generally speaking), there's also extra policy considerations besides the normal external link and reference policies that we have. This generally amounts to "don't", though there are some niche exceptions where it's not expressly not allowed. Here's the relevant documentation:

• Paid editing policy stuff (main thing here that you I would really recommend reading): Wikipedia:Conflict of interest § Paid editing
• General guidelines on what external links to avoid: Wikipedia:External links § Links normally to be avoided
• Policy details on what "external link spam" means, as well as "citation spam": Wikipedia:Spam § External link spamming
• Conflict of interest guideline on citing yourself: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest § Citing yourself

I appreciate that this is a massive dump of links and each one of those has even more pages of links on thinks relevant, but really the only thing you absolutely read is the first one. I included the rest since you might be curious about the nitty-gritty bits, and it can be tough to dig through the pages of policy we have to find the relevant bits. Finally, to bring this around to the actual problem at hand: considering the conflict of interest at play here, as well as the fact that it's really only been this site that you've been adding references or links to, makes me feel like this is more on the intent-to-promote side of things, so I don't feel comfortable adding back the links. If you want, you can make an edit request. The easiest way to do this is just through the Edit Request Wizard, and then an impartial editor will eventually be able to review the additions and go from there.

Hopefully this helps—this answer quickly became a lot longer than I expected (doesn't help that it's fairly late for me), but hopefully it isn't too overwhelming. I can try to summarize it a bit if it is. Perryprog (talk) 02:47, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Perryprog,

I initially thought that my contribution to the Wikipedia page was helpful, but I understand your concerns about conflicts of interest. While it may appear to be a conflict of interest on paper, I truly have no intention of promoting my links on the Stradella bass system page for any personal gain (especially because there's no gain). My only intention is to provide a valuable resource for users who are seeking information that cannot be found anywhere else.

If you search for accordion charts on Google, you'll see that my charts are unique and have no competition. I created these charts to provide a valuable resource to accordion players who are looking for information on each size of accordion. I initially added my website to the Wikipedia page as a gift to users who were looking for more information on the Stradella system but I don't want to have any problem for something I made in good faith.

I also understand that you are simply following the rules to ensure the quality of the content on Wikipedia. While it is disheartening, I accept it and will focus on my own business.

I will no longer contribute to any Wikipedia page.

Please remove the image I've added here: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Accordion/Reading_Accordion_Music

Thank you for your time. GioLuc76 (talk) 13:35, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi GioLuc76,

I'm sorry that you no longer wish to contribute to Wikipedia. I hope you do in the future. I do really appreciate what you're trying to do, and I do think you have good intent—it's just sometimes policy can get in the way of good intent due to weird circumstances, like this. Regarding charts, that's actually something you can definitely contribute to Wikimedia Commons in a way that (I think) is way less frustrating policy-wise, as you have already!

Regarding your request about the image—you'll have to go and make a deletion request on Wikimedia Commons for the image to be removed, as it's been uploaded longer than a week ago. You can see instructions on how to do so on Commons:Deletion requests. If you want, I can make it on your behalf, but I can't make any guarantee on its success or failure. Perryprog (talk) 18:52, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

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