User talk:Peter238/Archive 5
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/ɪ/
Hello Peter, in Canadian English, bacon is pronounced [ˈbeɪkən], but napkin is pronounced [ˈnæpkɪn]? Fête Phung (talk) 15:13, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, but the second word is phonemically /ˈnæp.kən/ for most American speakers. If you don't want to buy a pronunciation dictionary, use [1]. Peter238 (talk) 15:27, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- The schwa and the schwi are really distinct in Canada? Fête Phung (talk) 17:00, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Most speakers from North America have weak vowel merger. That's why I said it's /ˈnæp.kən/. In English phonetics, ⟨ə⟩ is an abstract symbol covering mid central qualities from close-mid [ɘ] to open-mid [ɜ]. Peter238 (talk) 17:08, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- In Canadian English, it's also [ˈnæp.kʰən]? Fête Phung (talk) 17:56, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- It's predominantly pronounced with /ə/, not just also. See weak vowel merger. Peter238 (talk) 18:08, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Generally, American people pronounce [ˈnæp.kɪn], because of the [k]. Fête Phung (talk) 15:35, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- Source? Peter238 (talk) 15:40, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- http://zh.forvo.com/word/napkin/#en Fête Phung (talk) 15:47, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- That [ɪ] may still count as an allophone of /ə/, depending on whether the speaker has the weak vowel merger or not. As I said, I would not worry about the weak [ɪ] unless you want to speak RP. Peter238 (talk) 16:41, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- http://zh.forvo.com/word/napkin/#en Fête Phung (talk) 15:47, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- Source? Peter238 (talk) 15:40, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- Generally, American people pronounce [ˈnæp.kɪn], because of the [k]. Fête Phung (talk) 15:35, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- It's predominantly pronounced with /ə/, not just also. See weak vowel merger. Peter238 (talk) 18:08, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- In Canadian English, it's also [ˈnæp.kʰən]? Fête Phung (talk) 17:56, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Most speakers from North America have weak vowel merger. That's why I said it's /ˈnæp.kən/. In English phonetics, ⟨ə⟩ is an abstract symbol covering mid central qualities from close-mid [ɘ] to open-mid [ɜ]. Peter238 (talk) 17:08, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- The schwa and the schwi are really distinct in Canada? Fête Phung (talk) 17:00, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
last dental
Since dentals have been merged into alveolars, maybe we want to do the same with dental ejective and remove it from the consonant navbox? — kwami (talk) 03:39, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Done. Peter238 (talk) 14:01, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Portuguese
As with Catalan, Brazilian linguistics studies do not make the point of distinguishing palato-alveolar and alveolo-palatal. There are sources for alveolo-palatal Portuguese allophones here in Wikipedia, even with the theoretical origin of them being placed upon influence of the Tupi-Guarani trunk, in which Tupi /j/ tends to become Brazilian [ʑ]; there's also medieval Spanish /ʃ/, which was shared with Portuguese, having shifted to ([ɕ]?) [ç] and finally /x/.
To my ears most Brazilian /ʃ/ and /ʒ/ is produced in the same places of our /ʎ/ and /ɲ/ – which I use myself, and is easily recognizable as it often spreads to Brazilian pronunciation of Spanish, Italian, French and English btw. Such allophony, though existent, is not very well-studied, so perhaps it would make sense to let dorsal production be accepted as a common enough allophony? Srtª PiriLimPomPom (talk) 04:09, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
- Ok, have it your way, as /ʁ/ already takes two cells. Let's not be selective. Peter238 (talk) 09:37, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Tito
Thank you. Then I must have made a mistake. However, I regularly hear the locals to pronounce it with a final P sound, not with a B sound. Yet the English spelling may be very different from the source spelling.--176.104.110.11 (talk) 19:57, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- It seems the sound is released. Alongside that, the S realisation is less common among the locals. In English, it seems the speech varies, some spell it with an S, some with a Z, but I am not sure which is more prevalent.--176.104.110.11 (talk) 20:58, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- OK, than you can restore the spelling.--176.104.110.11 (talk) 21:05, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
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