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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

Hello MarcGarver,

Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to MPGuy2824), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to John B123 for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also.

Software news: Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved.

NPP backlog May – October 15, 2022

Suggestions:

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Backlog:

Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!

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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

Hello MarcGarver,

New Page Review queue December 2022

Backlog

The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.

2022 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!

Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)

New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js to User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft.js

Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.

Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.

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New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023

Hello MarcGarver,

New Page Review queue April to June 2023

Backlog

Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of Sam, Jason and Susana, and also some patches from Jon, has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.

Articles for Creation (AFC): All new page reviewers are now automatically approved for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at WT:AFCP like was required previously). To install the AFC helper script, visit Special:Preferences, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit Special:NewPagesFeed, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script.

You can review the AFC workflow at WP:AFCR. It is up to you if you also want to mark your AFC accepts as NPP reviewed (this is allowed but optional, depends if you would like a second set of eyes on your accept). Don't forget that draftspace is optional, so moves of drafts to mainspace (even if they are not ready) should not be reverted, except possibly if there is conflict of interest.

Pro tip: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own SNG? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is WP:ARTIST 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums).

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Notability Requirements

Dear @MarcGarver

Thank you for taking the time to review the submission and provide your feedback. I appreciate your guidance and would like to address the notability concerns you raised. It seems that all criteria for the notability of person is met within the draft.

The Notability (people) Basic Criteria provides:

"People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject."

The draft cites significant media coverage in outlets such as NBC News, ABC News, CNN, Discovery News, CNET, HuffPost, and Animation Word Network, among others. These sources are independent and reliable, and the coverage discusses the subject's work in depth, particularly his research contributions to rainbow simulation and hair rendering. If needed, additional citations can be added to further substantiate the subject’s notability.

Regarding the use of primary sources, the policy provides:

"Primary sources that have been reputably published may be used in Wikipedia"

The primary references in the draft, such as patents published by the US Patent Office and research published at ACM SIGGRAPH , are reputable and relevant. While primary sources alone cannot establish notability, they are used here to complement secondary sources and verify the subject’s contributions to computer graphics research and technology. For example, the cited ACM SIGGRAPH publications are widely recognized in the computer science field, and their citation counts can be added to demonstrate the significance of the research.

Lastly, the policy for scientists and academics provides:

"Many scientists, researchers, philosophers and other scholars (collectively referred to as 'academics' for convenience) are notably influential in the world of ideas without their biographies being the subject of secondary sources."

The draft demonstrates the subject's influence through widely adopted research in hair rendering (used in the Disney film Tangled), cloth rendering, and rainbow simulation, as well as his patents. If the guideline requires additional emphasis on the subject's academic influence, it can be expanded to include more information about the subject's research impact and provide citation metrics or references to independent commentary on his work.

Could you kindly clarify if there are specific aspects of the notability guidelines that the current draft does not satisfy? Your assistance in this matter is greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

136.52.62.43 (talk) 19:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm afraid I disagree, but you are welcome to resubmit the draft and see what another reviewer thinks. The issue of notability or lack of it arises from the totality of the content. The reason I think it doesn't reach the threshold is that each item is individually not particularly notable and collectively do not make the individual notable. To take some examples: there are quite literally millions of patents registered, I even have a couple with my name on them. That means virtually nothing. Most companies with any kind of research capability register hundreds of patents a year. The people who work on them are not notable. Having an article published also on its own doesn't mean very much. Rather, there usually needs to be a body of research that establishes the individual is a notable researcher in that field - cited by other people. Publishing a paper doesn't establish notability. The fact that something someone researched is also widely adopted also doesn't prove notability. There have been thousands of researchers in most fields, and most of them are not significant. The individual needs to have been a leading researcher, widely cited, to be notable. What I read here is someone who has a PhD, who has held jobs at big companies, written a couple of papers and presented at a conference or two. That doesn't to my mind reach the notability threshold for an academic. But, I am not the decision maker here. If you disagree, then try submitting again for a second opinion. MarcGarver (talk) 22:28, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your clarification and input regarding the citations. According to his Google Scholar profile, Google Scholar profile, the subject's work has been cited over 700 times. Would including this citation count be sufficient to address the concerns about notability? 136.52.62.43 (talk) 23:53, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Draft you reviewed

Hi! You reviewed my draft. I made edits there and change the style. Nobody commented on that. I wanted to check with you. I added about 20 sources that clearly show notability, and edited the style, also asked chat got to help make text neutral. Moondust534 (talk) 17:38, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

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