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Space elevator

Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Space elevator, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Thank you. 59.167.50.221 (talk) 12:45, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

• If you have issues with the article, please use the talk page. You seem to insist on defacing the article with excessive maintenance tags, but you don't seem interested in discussion or doing anything to actually improve the article. Reyk _YO! 20:33, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Graphical representations of two-way-contest opinion polling data from the United States presidential election, 2008

Yo, Reyk ...

Just discovered the above page was removed yesterday, am a newbie, this is the only page I've ever worked on (since October, 2007) ... as you know, there was a lengthy discussion last December about removal of this page and other related pages with polling stats and such, with the decision to 'keep' ... I participated in the discussion, related that using links was much cleaner, rather than cluttering wiki pages with many charts ... the consensus in those discussions was that the charts had a lot of value ... I have spent hundreds of hours since updating these charts, and there has been substantial interest, well over half the hits have come from outside the US, 53 countries at last count ... here's a link to a chart of the last 30 days of activity ...

http://www.mindspring.com/~hk3/poll5.gif

All the source data from the charts comes from other Wikipedia pages ... I have been updating recently pretty much daily, and had planned to continue until election day in early November ...

I just read the criteria for quick delete and understand the need for vigilant housekeeping ... I guess my plea is that you let the page exist for the next 30 days and then remove it ... there is no self promotion here, if you read over my comments in the 'keep' discussion last December you can get a feel for where I'm coming from ... Hkball (talk) 14:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

About me … spent 10 years with Honeywell, RCA and Exxon after I got out of school, hung out my own shingle as a management consultant in 1968, doing mostly business plans, which are basically a bunch of numbers and charts, within some conversation thrown in to give them context and cohesion. Am 76, been retired for a good while, still pretty good from the neck up (but we won’t talk about from the neck down :)). I don’t know how good I was, but have 4 children with their 4 spouses and 12 grandchildren, all got through college alright. Oldest grandson will graduate in computer engineering from Georgia Tech next spring.

Shortly after that ‘keep’ discussion last December, I added a couple of paragraphs to the page in question giving some context, why line graphs, why links, why graphs at all when you already have the numbers on the other wiki page, that sort of thing. Then one day shortly after that, they were gone ! A guy replaced them with the text you see on the current page, and I haven’t touched it since. He said the words weren’t necessary, that the curves should be able to speak for themselves. While it kind of hurt my feelings to have my beautiful paragraphs destroyed without even asking, I basically agreed. In business plans the numbers are the most important thing, no need to clutter them up with a bunch of editorializing. So the page did once have the context conversation you suggest, but being a new guy on the block, I wasn’t about to question the way things are done here. Been using wiki for as long as it’s been around, it is the default search engine on my browser, you guys do a terrific job. Hkball (talk) 21:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Graphical representations of two-way-contest opinion polling data from the United States presidential election, 2008

one more time :))

Yo again Ryck,

I have constructed a draft of a repacement for the old page on my user page at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hkball

and a discussion of the reasons why I think it would be worthwhile to retain it on my talk page at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hkball

would very much appreciate your thoughts, and some advice as to what to do next if you think it appropriate ...

Hkball (talk) 18:07, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Good to hear from you Reyk :)) ... yes, all on external links, will do as you suggest, there are 7-8 charts I still update day-to-day, will include those, link to all others ... my plan now is to firm up the page a bit more, then click on the link at the top of this page, save into the replacement page, then copy this 'reasons' page into the discussion section of the new replaced page ... I assume that if the replacement page turns out to be OK that someone else will take care of the links from other wiki pages to this one, if not, I can do that ... what think thee ??

(put this on my talk page awhile ago in response to your message, thought you might see it sooner if I put it over here too)

Hkball (talk) 00:42, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Yo Ryck,

The replacement graphics article is now in place, and the 'reasons' are loaded into the discussion page.

Hkball (talk) 14:37, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Am assuming the replacement article is OK, have just now restored the link to the page in Nationwide opinion polling for the United States presidential election, 2008

Hkball (talk) 13:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

RfA

Thanks much for supporting me in my recent RfA, which was successful. Kindest, Lazulilasher (talk) 23:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Invite

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Xymmax RfA

I'd like to take a minute to let you know that I appreciate your support in my recently-closed RfA, which passed with a count of 56 in support, 7 in opposition, and 2 neutrals. I'll certainly try to justify your faith by using the tools wisely. Happy editing, and thanks again! Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 22:02, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Reply: GA review of Gerard K. O'Neill

Thank you very much for your review! Wronkiew (talk) 02:39, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

• No problemo. Reyk _YO! 03:59, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Commerical [sic] aviation

Thank you very much for your help with this redirect problem. Denverjeffrey (talk) 11:27, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Ambient pressure

Hi - thanks for the prod on Ambient pressure, I've been waiting for it to arrive in Wiktionary for several months now. It has been in Transwiki since August. As the link is used in Isobaric counterdiffusion, is there any way you know of to speed up the move to Wiktionary? Otherwise the redlink is likely to see this definion/article recreated. Thanks for any help you can give. --RexxS (talk) 13:35, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Noctilucent clouds GA

Thanks for taking this article on. Very few others have improved an article within the meteorology project to GA quality. =) Thegreatdr (talk) 14:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

List of Australian Football League grounds

Any chance you'd be able to read over the article, comment on it and even support the FLC for the list ? C4v3m4n (talk) 00:36, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• Responded on the article's talk page. Reyk _YO! 03:46, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Asteroids

I've been thinking about improving one of the main belt asteroid articles to FA status. Interested in helping out? Wronkiew (talk) 04:53, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• Sure. Which asteroid? Reyk _YO! 05:24, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

  I think the best candidates would be 3 Juno or 243 Ida. Juno because it is one of the earliest discoveries and has an interesting impact history. Ida because it is one of this first asteroids to be visited, and the first discovered to have a moon. Neither are likely to undergo additional probing anytime soon, so there is less risk of the article going out of date. Ida would be a lot more work because it is a start-class article. The challenge with Juno would be getting permission to use the images from Mt. Wilson, without which there's no chance of FA. Maybe a good place to start would be to email for image licenses, and see what I come up with. Any other asteroid favorites? Wronkiew (talk) 17:32, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

  I'd prefer to do Ida. It's been visited by a spacecraft so there'll be more known, and therefore more to write, about it than there is about Juno. Also, I prefer elevating articles from fairly humble standard than tweaking already good ones. Law of diminishing returns and all tat. What do you think? Reyk _YO! 23:08, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

  Let's do it. I'll create a page at Talk:243 Ida/Collaboration for notes and further discussions. Wronkiew (talk) 05:57, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

  Alright! Reyk _YO! 08:20, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

RfA (2)

Hi Reyk! Thank you very much for your support and comments in the RfA. It passed today, and your !vote of confidence was much appreciated :) Cheers, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 22:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks

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RfA thanks

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Joel Selwood FA nomination

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As a regular contributor to Australian rules football articles, you're invited to wander down and express your opinion toward this article's current FA nomination here. If successful, it will be our first AFL-related article to gain FA status. Cheers! Boomtish (talk) 06:44, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the support!

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Civility

It's interesting that you take my comment to "69.123" personally. Now let me tell you something. When people are debating whether an article stays or goes, it isn't fair for a person to do a redirect when there are people who have taken the time to join the debate. So spare me the "you have been warned" routine. Mandsford (talk) 01:34, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

• Settle down. I haven't taken anything personally. It wasn't directed at me or anyone I know, so why should I? You could have made your point without calling the IP an "asshole", and you have been warned in the past about namecalling. Reyk _YO! 02:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Just an observation

When you created this were you, by any chance, too involved with wikichristmas? :-p (Ha... awesome, not only editing WP on the 25th, but writing 'wikicommandments'.) -- Mentisock 10:33, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

• Whoa! That takes me back. No, I've never had anything to do with Wikichristmas, I didn't even know about it until now. As for editing on the 25th, well, I like a few hours to myself even on Christmas. Cheers, Reyk _YO! 12:26, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks for your support

Hi. Thanks for your support at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/British Dominicans regarding User:Badagnani's call for me to be blocked simply for nominating articles for deletion. They did the same at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Georgian British and seem to think they own the ethnic group articles, judging by the "our project" language. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:17, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

• No problem. Badagnani clearly crossed the line and I thought it was appropriate to say something. Reyk _YO! 23:49, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I notice that he's now suggested that you be banned for proposing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Afghan Australian. Is there anything we can do about this? Like you say, this is clearly overstepping the line. Cordless Larry (talk) 03:13, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, I warned him not to on his talk page, but he deleted my comments claiming I was threatening him. He's obviously talking rubbish, and there's no possibility anyone is actually going to be blocked on his say-so, so I think it's best to ignore him. Reyk _YO! 03:17, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

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• Thanks! Reyk _YO! 00:41, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

afd

wasnt really meant personally, and I apologized at the afd. B DGG (talk) 01:25, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

• That's OK. Thanks for clarifying your point at the AfD- makes more sense now. Cheers. Reyk _YO! 01:45, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Abington railway station

Sorry about my misguided edit earlier. The reason I did it was that the station was showing up in Category:Railway stations by year of establishment and Category:Railway stations by year of disestablishment, where it really shouldn't. I didn't notice that changing the template to a category removed navigation boxes. There's another station, Aboyne railway station, where the same thing is happening. Would you mind having a look at it and explaining to me just how this template and category interaction stuff works, because I don't have much experience in this area and would like to learn. Cheers, Reyk _YO! 21:47, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Your edit was not wrong, however it set me thinking, and I have created the replicant templates, using Abington as a start. I have also sorted out Aboyne. Not all the catergories have a template (as yet), that is quite a large job to undertake. However, I have made a start and those that are available are listed at Category:United Kingdom rail transport templates. The name is the same as the category. Quite a bit of work will be required, however it will help link the articles with the Categories and the Commons categories (especially useful for pictures). --Stewart ^{(talk | edits)} 22:45, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Hispanic Australian

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All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

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• Fine by me. I actually nominated this at AfD, but my mass nom met the same fate as most mass noms; it got chucked out on procedural grounds. Reyk _YO! 06:07, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

The proposal to delete is supported by yourself, myself and Ollech (see the talk page). No voices were raised against its deletion, with ChildofMidnight speculating the word is not notable. Can we say we have consensus, and if so, as an admin could you please arrange for its deletion? Kransky (talk) 07:11, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd love to, but I'm not an admin. Regards, Reyk _YO! 07:16, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the laugh

"Confused? Join the club." I thought it was just me. :) Happy Holidays. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

• • Hehe. No worries. Reyk _YO! 19:18, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Lieutenant General

Regarding this edit, in general (no pun intended) I would agree, but on-the-other-hand, some readers may not know what an anomaly is; linking the word is a tiny overhead, and adds some potential value. So, although I wouldn't revert your edit, I will state that I strongly disagree that it is "totally unnecessary". Your thoughts? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 02:53, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

• Anomaly is a disambiguation page; the description at the top and the many links don't cover the word "anomaly" in the sense that the Lieutenant General article does- as an "inconsistency" or "irregularity". It wouldn't tell the reader anything new and could possibly confuse them. Maybe using a different word or a link to the Wiktionary article would be more appropriate? I'm not terribly fussed one way or the other. Reyk _YO! 03:26, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Useful comments with which I agree. When I can think of concise wording, I'll add to the disambig page. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 04:09, 23 December 2008 (UTC) (Unless someone else does it first ... )

• I'm doing some work at Wikipedia:Disambiguation_pages_with_links, going over the ones to [[Anomaly]. I've found that many of the articles that link there use the word in the sense of any inconsistent, irregular or perplexing phenomenon and not any specific instance that I could easily disambiguate to. So I've been stuck between leaving the link be, linking to Wiktionary or removing the square brackets entirely. Never occurred to me that I could expand the disambig page itself to more clearly explain all those meanings. Thanks for the suggestion. I've had a go just now, but I'm not entirely happy with it so if you have any bright ideas... Reyk _YO! 04:50, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

"Never occurred to me that I could expand the disambig page itself to more clearly explain all those meanings. Thanks for the suggestion." - I'm glad to have been able to do one useful thing today! (It's not been a particularly productive day ... )
I think your initial "inconsistency" or "irregularity" seemed to capture the essence quite well.
I think established rule might be a bit restrictive; what do you think of "expected behaviour"?
Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 07:07, 23 December 2008 (UTC) (P.S. I will be AFI - away-from-the-internet - for the next 18 hours.)

BTW: If it were written in English and generalised, anomaly (physics) might be useful ... Pdfpdf (talk) 07:09, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Crotalus Horridus and distruption

If it were the AfDs alone, I might agree that you have a point about no disruption being made. But as I stated on the talk page of this article, he removed all of the content from the page and turned it into a redirect with no prior discussion. He did so right after nominating Michelle Stith for deletion, as if to escape what he believed the consensus would be on the AfD. I realize that being bold is a necessary feature of Wikipedia, and I do not wish to accuse him of bad faith here; but in hastily creating the redirect with no discussion, he certainly didn't make a strong case for himself. ←Spidern→ 21:01, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

• It's supposed to be "Bold, revert, discuss", not "Bold, instablock, refuse to discuss". It's obvious CH's edits are made in good faith and out of a desire to improve the 'pedia. If his edits were disruptive (a dubious assertion in itself), he deserved at least a warning. He also deserved a fair hearing at Ublock Requests; but he got neither. I maintain that Crotalus Horridus has been very poorly treated. Reyk _YO! 21:57, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Yes, you've got a point about the warning; at least one should have been given before resorting to a block. ←Spidern→ 05:10, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

		Merry Christmas!
		Reyk, here's hoping you're having a wonderful Christmas, and here's also hoping that all your family and friends are well. Lets all hope that the year coming will be a good one! If we've had disputes in the past, I hold no grudges, especially at such a time as this. If you don't know I am, I apologise, feel free to remove this from your page. Come and say hi, I won't bite, I swear! It could even be good for me, you know - I'm feeling a little down at the moment with all of these snowmen giving me the cold shoulder :( — neur ho ho ho(talk) 00:09, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

• Merry Christmas to you too! Reyk _YO! 01:24, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

(finished Anomaly, starting Absorption)

Suggest it may be less work to expand/modify/whatever "Absorption" rather than edit every reference to it?
P.S. Merry Xmas and Happy New Year. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 03:13, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

• Actually, this one's going much better. In almost every case I've found that one of the specific meanings at the disambig page matches what the article is referring to. Cheers. Happy new year to you too. Reyk _YO! 03:15, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Interesting. a) Just read your user page; highly entertaining. b) Just had a look at Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links; now I understand what you're up to. (Wow! Big job!) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 03:28, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

• It's very boring, but someone's got to do it. :-/ Reyk _YO! 03:30, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Being in a philosophic and whymsical mood at the moment, I was metaphorically comparing your task with watching paint dry. I came to the conclusion that one difference is, "It's very boring, and no-one has to do it." Even so, there are some tasks nowhere near as interesting as watching paint dry ... My point? I can't say that I'm altogether too sure. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:14, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

P.S.

• You detest the Crows? I've never given that much thought to the topic ...
• Yes, flies are repulsive, or failing that, bloody annoying.
• Tequila? Oh dear, my youth must have been very boring - I have no opinion on tequila. (How sad.)
• "This user may or may not be a Consult skin-spy" - Huh?
• "This user is a supporter of the Geelong Cats Football Club" - Why?
• Were it to exist, to which aspect(s) of the Cabal would you aspire?
• "I'm an industrial chemist by day and a dedicated Wikipede in my spare time." - might I humbly suggest that at your age, considering that you are potentially at the peak of your physical condition, you could gain more enjoyable memories for your old age by indulging in activities involving more direct interaction with humans, nature, good food and good wine?

As I said, I enjoyed reading your user page. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:37, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

• Meh. I do find some time for things that don't involve a computer or a lab. :) Reyk _YO!

Very glad to hear that. (I wish I did!) Suggest that you may enjoy the results of increasing that time. As the old one-liner says: Nobody on their deathbed has ever complained: I wish I'd spent more time at the office. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:45, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

• I'll try to keep that in mind if I find myself wasting too much time here. Well, I've put in a productive, if repetitive, day's editing and now I'm off to lose consciousness and possibly hallucinate vividly for eight hours or so. Regards, Reyk _YO! 11:55, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I trust you found your hallucinations vivid, entertaining, enjoyable and memorable!
Best wishes, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:31, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

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		Hey there, Reyk! Happy new Gregorian year. All the best for the new year, both towards you and your family and friends too. I know that I am the only person lonely enough to be running this thing as the new year is ushered in, but meh, what are you going to do. I like to keep my templated messages in a satisfactorily melancholy tone. ;) Congratulations to Coren, Wizardman, Vassyana, Carcharoth, Jayvdb, Casliber, Risker, Roger Davies, Cool Hand Luke and Rlevse, who were all appointed to the Arbitration Committee after the ArbCom elections. I am sure I am but a voice of many when I say I trust the aforementioned users to improve the committee, each in their own way, as listed within their respective election statements. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to update the 2009 article, heh. Best wishes, neuro(talk) 00:57, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

• Hey, thanks! Happy 2009 to you too. Here in the land of Oz it's been 2009 for 12 hours already and I'm on Wikipedia already. Copyediting while hung over is a weird experience, let me tell you. Reyk _YO! 01:03, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

And a happy, healthy, prosperous and stress-free 2009 to you too!
Sadly, I not only didn't party too hard, I didn't party at all; I spent the evening providing taxi services for my daughters who, I gather from their 1pm grumpy emergence from their bedrooms, did spend the evening partying too hard! Ho hum - the "joys" of parenthood ...
Best wishes! Pdfpdf (talk) 23:10, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

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Hi there Reyk!
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• Notice delivery by xenobot 13:52, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Lord Howe Monster

Hi, I'm missing any merge, by anyone, of Lord Howe Monster into the redirect _target. Did you just chose to redirect without merging? I don't think the AfD supports that. That said, I don't see any reasonable way to do the merge, so I was hoping someone else could see something. The _target seems bogus... Hobit (talk) 23:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

• There was never going to be any merge. Everyone knows that. And the consensus at the AfD was definitely that the article should not remain as it is. What would you do? Reyk _YO! 07:34, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

• Ideally, someone creates a "foes of Godzilla" and merges there. The AfD merge _target was bogus and should have either merged elsewhere or deleted. I've no objection to a second AfD (which will likely result in deletion) but a redirect _target that has no reference to the topic is exactly the wrong thing and should be avoided. Hobit (talk) 12:51, 9 January 2009 (UTC)