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Little treat ;)

Hello Yunshui, March 20 marks the nth year of my conception. Thus, I would like to treat you to a treat. I know, we had to cut costs. So just make do with water. ;) Cheers, ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 12:19, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Coincidentally enough, I just realised today that Arctic Kangaroo's birthday is behind mine by just one day! ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 12:39, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, that's certainly refreshing. Happy birthday. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:56, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

The article Alla Kigel

I'm sorry. I'm still working on it. I'm found a lot of references I just trying to figure it out how to put them in. For example this is some of the websites I'm looking to put in as a references: http://www.krugozormagazine.com/archive/2008.9.html ::http://www.playbill.com/news/article/56891-Chekhov-Now-Now-Festival-of-Russian-Writers-Works-Ends-Nov-19 http://feb-web.ru/feb/lermenc/lre-::abc/ Iaroslavny (talk) 15:07, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm literally shutting my computer down now, but I'll take a look later tonight if I can. Yunshui 雲‍水 15:09, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Done I've done it (you can catch more beauty sleep, Yunshui!). I couldn't insert the third reference because it led to a deadlink; a 404 Error. Cheers! Kevin12xd (contribs) 00:24, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Kevin, that's tremendously helpful - much appreciated! Iaroslavny, rather regrettably I'm afraid you're still going to need to dig up some additional sources - the Krugozor Magazine article is reasonably extensive, but as it's an interview it doesn't really count as third-party coverage; and the Playbill page is only a passing mention; to be honest, I wouldn't even bother leaving that one in. You need sources that are not Alla Kigel which talk in detail about Alla Kigel - her own words or mentions of her in otherwise unrelated pieces are not sufficient. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:39, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Quick question

Hi Yunshui, I very bravely moved a draft article from user space by trying to follow the instructions here. It seems to have eventually worked okay. However, when I did the move, it had an automatic template for it to be reviewed, which I can understand but I've seen loads of articles/stubs at DYK that seem to have been moved/created without acquiring templates. I'm hoping that I will have time to finish working on this much more extensive draft soon and, once ready, I want to do a DYK for it, probably about the Admiral keeping alligators in a bath (I suspect I just might have enough reviews to do a self nom ). Is there a way to move it without having the sleepless night worrying about whether it will be reviewed (and the template removed) in time for a DYK? Apologies - this question has ended up not being very quick after all and I know you are busy! PS: I'm just about to pinch your earwig user box! While you are playing about with them, you don't feel like doing one for peer reviewer/duplication detector (and being really cheeky, I use a 'template' style of thing for DYK reviews hidden here that I'm sure there must be an easier why of getting at rather than copy and paste all the time!) SagaciousPhil - Chat 10:25, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sagaciousphil. The new page patrol process is separate from DYK - as far as I'm aware, there's no requirement for an article to have been reviewed by NPP before it goes to DYK. (It would be rather silly if there was, since DYK is one of the few time-limited processes on Wikipedia, and NPP is - well, not always that quick.) So I don't think you need to worry; as long as you get your nom in within five days of the article moving to mainspace (you can tinker with it indefinitely in userspace beforehand) there shouldn't be an issue.

Help yourself to my userboxes by all means; I'll knock up peer review and DD ones for you shortly. I use my userpage as a repository for all my useful links and shortcuts (including a fair few userboxes), you might want to stick a link to your DYK page on yours (especially since you do such a lot of work in that area). Yunshui 雲‍水 07:47, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

User:Havenhurst Books

Since there is in fact a company by that name (a predatory vanity press), I do wish you'd suggested that he change it to "Havenhurst Bibliophile" or something. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:55, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

I reckoned his User:TheYamMan choice seemed okay (we've got a The Yam and a Yam on our books, but he's unlikely to get confused with them). I do absolutely loathe vanity publishers like Havenhurst; not only do they screw over their authors more often than not, but they dilute the book trade with (let's face it) some pretty abysmal crap. Every now and then I assume there must be the occasional gem, but personally I've yet to see anything come out of such a publishing house that wasn't unabashed excreta. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:54, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of my article Ashish Bisht

Can I knw what went wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pratik12951 (talk • contribs)

Your article made no claim for the significance of the subject - nothing in it indicated that Bisht is any more than a jobbing model. In the absence of any sources, that is sufficient to delete the page under speedy deletion criterion A7. Wikipedia does not strive to have an article about anybody and everybody - if Bisht meets the criteria set out here, and if sources can be provided that show he does, then we can have an article on him. If not, he doesn't meet the inclusion requirements. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:36, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

I was about to give references but before that you deleted the page. i have written almost three article as new start including this out which i have got deletion nomation for one more article but it was not deleted that soon. Time was given. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pratik12951 (talk • contribs) 13:43, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Please undo the deletion and spare some time for the same especially the references.

I am very dubious (nothing usable in Google News or Google Books, lots of useless self-published vanity pages, plus the fact that another admin has declined it at WP:REFUND), but in the interests of fairness, I've userfied it for you; it can be found at User:Pratik12951/Ashish Bisht. Please don't put it back in mainspace until you've satisfied the requirements of either WP:GNG or WP:NMODEL. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:10, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Incidentally, I have also removed the photo and listed it for deletion at Wikimedia Commons - it is a promotional shot taken by a professional photographer who has not released it for free reuse. Your upload of it was therefore a copyright violation - please read the Image Use policy thoroughly before uploading any more pictures, of Bisht or anything else. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:20, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

you have written you hardly go on commons still u had time to go and put allegation on that picture? That picture I have taken from the real profile of Ashish, himself. It does not violates the photographer's copyright. It is written 'This Image is a private property, misuse is prohibited'. I have not misused and I have taken it rightfully from his own real profile. besides you are talking as if you know that photographer personally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pratik12951 (talk • contribs) 14:28, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't know the photographer, I know our licensing policy and the way in which professional photographers license their work, and the two are not compatible.

You may not use copyrighted images that you find on the internet on Wikipedia. Doing so is a violation of the original photographer's copyright. This is basic stuff - if you do not understand the legal ramifications involved, then either educate yourself (read the relevant policies) or avoid uploading images altogether. If you do it again, you will be blocked from editing. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:36, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

... and

TY to you as well Yunshui for bringing the Evan thing to the community - I always like to see someone get back in. — Ched :  ?  11:31, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes - as you said, everyone loves that block button, but nobody likes its undervalued little brother, "unblock user". Let's see how Evan goes; he's got a ton of admin eyeballs on him now, so he should get any help that he needs pretty quickly. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:35, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Are you kidding me?

So, I edit-conflicted with you on that question at the Teahouse, and you said almost word-for-word exactly the same thing as I did; even down to the Prisoner reference! get out of my head, dude Writ Keeper (t + c) 15:23, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

I've heard that great minds think alike - that being so, you should be giving serious thought to a mug of cocoa and a cheese sandwich right about now... Yunshui 雲‍水 19:27, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

RfA

Hi Yunshui, Being the insane person you know I am, I've decided that I'd like to take another leap into the framework of Wikipedia. As the headline suggests, I may or may not apply for my first RfA tommorow, depending on what you say. Here's some text to justify my reasons for my sudden RfA advice request (I've broken it down into 3 categories):
1. Vandalism removal: I have done a bit of work in vandal-fighting, and it's always nice to see some justice being brought to the vandal. I enjoy monitoring AIV interactions with admins to see how long it takes for the report to start being helpful (and the answer is not very long). Admins make very clear points on why the vandal was blocked. I am starting to see that what I have previously stated to the vandal has been repeated by the admin - a sign that I've matured my understanding of blocking policies.
2. Policy understanding: I have spent numerous hours exploring Wikipedia's more hidden policies, as well as, of course, the more major policies. I've familiarized myself with the IAR policy, and know when to apply it. I can recite the Five Pillars. I know when vandalism is vandalism and not a good-faith edit. I can do a lot more regarding policies, but I think I'll stop there.
3. What I'd like to do: I would like to do more than block and unblock users on Wikipedia; I would take pride in reviewing unblock requests, deleting pages, protecting pages, and granting rights to users. Those would be the main destination for my admin tools. By all means, I wouldn't forget to assume good faith and take great caution when using the tools.

Please review these points; and give me an ultimate response as to whether I should make the request (or take another look at WP:NOTNOW). Thanks, and cheers, Yunshui! Kevin12xd (contribs) 23:25, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Kevin. I do so hate to be the one who rains on your parade...

You won't pass RFA if you run now. Sorry to be blunt, but it just wouldn't happen. RFA voters expect to see a hell of a lot more than just competent anti-vandalism work (in fact, my own RFA picked up an oppose !vote (later struck) because one !voter felt that there were already enough admins working in anti-vandalism). Becuase the admin tools come as a comprehensive package (you can't just get some of them), the community needs to know that you've fully conversant with most, if not all, of the areas that admins work in. That includes, among others, anti-vandalism, speedy deletion, AFD, dispute resolution, copyright issues, sockpuppetry, page moves, RFCs, page protection, pending changes, edit notices, template maintenance and many others. You need to show - not say - that you understand these areas: your CSD log should be hundereds of pages long, not seven (and about 85%+ should be red); you need to vote in 50+ AFD discussions, not five (and your !vote should match the closing consensus at least 80% of the time); you need to spend some time at dispute resolution, helping other users and demonstrating your understanding of policy; you need to file more than two reports at WP:RPP to show that you know how protection works... Basically, you need to diversify - we know you can do anti-vandalism, but you need to be able to do a lot more to pass RFA.

Ironically, the one area in which admins don't get any special gadgets - content creation - is also usually a major deciding factor. In my RFA nomination, Worm described me as "not a prolific content creator"; I had about 70 created articles to my name at the time. He was right - I'm not a particularly great content creator, and I ran for adminship on other grounds - but the fact that 70+ created articles (including at least one GA and numerous DYKs) is considered "not prolific content creation" should give you an idea of the minimum level of content building work you need to do to impress RFA !voters. At present, you have two article creations, one a stub, the other barely Start-class. You will need to do more than this to get through RFA - either take a few existing articles to GA or FA status largely single-handed, or create a decent number of new pages which meet all the usual content guidelines (and chuck them up for DYK or peer review too).

The other major non-technical factor that people consider is your demeanour towards other users. If there's evidence of you getting into heated discussion and keeping your cool, of helping new users learn the ropes, or of calmly resolving disputes, that all counts in your favour. Spend a bit more time at the Teahouse giving advice (make sure it's the right advice!), check Category:Wikipedians looking for help to see if anyone needs assistance, hang out at the helpdesk and offer your services. Add measured, impartial, policy-based contributions to disput resolution discussions, or take one of the cases at WP:3O and help the participants reach a compromise. Get involved with the community - they're the ones that will make or break your RFA, after all.

I won't go on; I believe much of this is stuff you've heard from me before anyway. One thing I would suggest is that you start an Editor Review for yourself (similar to the administrator review I have at the top of my userpage). Leave it open for at least six months or so, to get a decent spread of opinions - you should get some useful feedback, and ER is often a good yardstick by which to gauge your suitibility for RFA. I'd really advise against putting yourself up for RFA directly at this point; it won't end well. All the best (and sorry to be so verbose!). Yunshui 雲‍水 09:22, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Neurobiology course

Hello Yunshui,

This is Sammy Traverso, from marquette university and the electroneuromyography article. I am not 100% sure what is going on but from what I have heard, Noah copied something from my sandbox and put it in something else on wikipedia. Is this right? At the beginning, I gave all three other partners my username and password to my account and said that they could all work on it form there. I was not aware that this would cause a problem and I am very sorry about this. If there is anything that I need to do PLEASE, let me know. Even though I do not fully understand what happened, I am sorry that you have to clean up our mess. Anyways, I am very sorry again and if there is anything that I need to do, let me know. When you are ready, we are almost ready to go live. all we have to do if fix the graph, and a few loose ends here and there but these should be ready by tomorrow. Just let us know what we need to do

--Sammyt21 (talk) 02:19, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey Yunshui! My group (Aicardi-Goutieres Syndrome) went live with our article this evening. Afterwards Dr. Mynlieff sent out an email about issues with copying and pasting. We copied and pasted most of ours on. I don't quite understand what the issues are. To me, our article appears to be fine but then again I don't understand the finer points of Wikipedia like you do. Could you look at it and help us if there is anything amiss? LDNeurobio — Preceding unsigned comment added by LDNeurobio (talk • contribs) 02:31, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi guys. Don't worry, it's not the disaster you might think. Basically, the problem arises from the fact that copy-pasting the text lists only one user in the history of the live article - so although several people may have worked on the sandbox, all of their work is attributed only to the person who copied it into the article. In essence, copy-paste moves mean that you end up taking credit for other people's work (although we're well aware that that's not what was intended here). There are a few solutions to the problem, the most appropriate of which is history merging the pages. This isn't a procedure I've performed before, and given its complexity (and the potential for absolute chaos if it goes wrong!) I'm going to ask around for a more experienced administrator to help me out with it; hopefully I'll have someone else on board by the end of today. As far as you guys are concerned, though, it's no big deal - carry on editing the live articles as though nothing had happened, and leave it to us to sort out the behind-the-scenes stuff. At worst, Dr. Mynlieff will have to review your work in the sandboxes as well as the article content, but hopefully we'll have fixed the problem before she marks your contributions anyway. All the best, Yunshui 雲‍水 08:15, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey Yunshui! I am working on the Grinker myelinopathy article for this neurobiology course. Before moving our draft over from my user subpage to the official Grinker Myelinopathy page, there was a short paragraph written on this page. This information is not completely accurate and I was hoping to remove or replace it. Am I able to simply do so or must I request permission from the original author? Also, thanks for all the help in cleaning up my citations! Alphabetfood (talk) 22:30, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Since (last time I checked) you are the only person to have edited your draft, you can just copy and paste the text into the existing article, overwriting what's already there. That'll retain the existing edits in the article's history (which is required) but the visible article will be entirely your work. Yunshui 雲‍水 22:34, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Alphabetfood (talk) 22:39, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

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Histmerges

Hi Yunshui. I do histmerges all the time, typically in the context of SPI (which I see you've recently joined as a clerk trainee, by the way, thanks for the help). The easiest way to do this would be to merge all the sandboxes into one page before moving it to the article. Basically, delete a sandbox, move another sandbox over it, then delete the new one. Move, delete, repeat. Once you have all the sandboxes at one title, restore the revisions you want to keep (perhaps you'll only want to keep the final of sequential revisions from the same user, to keep down on the history clutter, or you want to restore all revisions - up to you). Now restored, you have a chunk of the article history that you want to move to a new page. Delete that page, move the metasandbox over it, and delete it again. Then once again, restore everything you want to keep. Perhaps you want to leave out the edits to the page that caused the whole problem in the first place, and keep only the original article, the sandbox edits, and some final version. Now that I look back on my explanation, it is complicated! Well, until the WMF deploys a revision-move extension to Wikipedia, this is what we're stuck with. Someguy1221 (talk) 10:11, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

That explanation actually sort of... makes sense, amazingly. Thank you so much. Let me check that I've understood you correctly, using an example:

• Much of the content of Electromyoneurography is taken from User:Sammyt21/"electroneuromyography" outline, which was copied over in this edit.
• To fix it, I would first delete Electromyoneurography (using G6, presumably), and then move User:Sammyt21/"electroneuromyography" outline to the title "Electromyoneurography"
• Then I delete the page Electromyoneurography again.
• Then I restore the page, and in doing so, have access to all of the revisions from both pages - I select the revisions to keep from this list and restore them.

And that's it? That looks remarkably easy; am I missing something here? Yunshui 雲‍水 10:19, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Yup, that's it. I didn't realize the three editors were working on a communal draft. That makes this quite easy. Someguy1221 (talk) 10:23, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

↑ That was the easy one... Still thank you very much for the explanation; you've managed to help me understand the process in a single paragraph, whilst reading WP:HISTMERGE just made my brain go all dribbly. Looking at your description, not only does the process now make sense (in that I understand how it works), but it's a lot simpler than I thought too. Thanks a million - I'll start sorting things out. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:28, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm glad I could help. Good luck. Someguy1221 (talk) 10:32, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Right, before I go ahead and do any more, would you mind just checking the current state of Electromyoneurography? I've performed the procedure above (hopefully correctly) so fingers crossed it should all be sorted - it certainly looks to have worked, but I'd like a second opinion. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:38, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Oops, it looks like you made a bit of a mess of that one - those were parallel versions, which can't be history merged, because then you end up with diffs like this one which make it look like poor Noahgford deleted half the article while using a misleading edit summary... the thing to do in this situation would have been to leave the sandbox where it was and use the {{copied}} template on the talk page to make it clear what was copied from where. Basically, if there are parallel versions, you have to merge, rather than history merge. Merging does mean that the sandbox can't be deleted any more, but it can always be moved to a talk subpage or something if the user doesn't want it in their userspace. Hope this makes sense, and let me know if you have more questions. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 14:34, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Dammit, I knew it seemed too straightforward... Okay, I screwed the pooch on this one; how best to fix it?

I'm keen to avoid using {{copied}} if I can - at some point, the course instructor will need to mark her student's work, and it's going to make her job substantially easier if all of the edits are on the same page. Looking at it, it doesn't seem that there's any alternative for parallel versions - surely someone must have come up with a fix for this by now?

Oh, and would you be kind enough to also check Aicardi–Goutières syndrome as well; I may well have royally cocked that up too. Facepalm of shame. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:44, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

You have successfully performed a history merge! Enjoy your well deserved cookie. Someguy1221 (talk) 10:41, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Dribbly brain syndrome

Funnily enough I get affected by that particular syndrome all the time - maybe it's so virulent it manages to infect people even via computers? Boy, that's scary! I'm doing a bit of butting in here but it looks like you have students with medical expertise? I don't know if you have seen it but there is a DYK nomination which has been sitting for a while that needs a reviewer with some medical knowledge - do you know if any of them may be able to help as it's beyond my dribbly brain? I'm also going to be a tad ungrateful and say my peer reviewer userbox is supposed to point to the nifty little gadget [1] here!!! I know - how awful to whinge about help given so readily! SagaciousPhil - Chat 10:48, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I reckon they're probably a tad preoccupied at present (today is their deadline for live articles!), but I'll have a look at the DYK myself (and ask someone more medically knowledgable if I can't figure it out). Userbox link should be fixed now. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:52, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I see the problem with the DYK - basically, the page creator's used a load of media sources, which aren't credible enough for medical articles. Articles on medicine have stricter rules regarding sources. I'd suggest pointing the nominator at WikiProject Medicine to ask for assistance; the folk there are usually very happy to help! Yunshui 雲‍水 10:55, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much! PS: the SuperAdmin T-shirt looks extremely fetching today! SagaciousPhil - Chat 10:58, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Live page

Hello again Yunshui,

I logged out of my account and noticed that the page was live. So from now on, when we need to make changes to our work, we do so right on the live article? is this correct? I want to make sure so that we don't mess anything up again.

Sincerely, --Sammyt21 (talk) 11:45, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Don't sweat it; you didn't mess anything up (and I learned a new trick in the process, so everyone's a winner!). I'd suggest that you and your group focus on the live article from now on - you can't break it; worst case scenario is that someone reverts your changes and you have to talk to them about it, which is all part of the Wikipedia experience. If you run into anything you don't understand, just drop me a note and I'll explain/resolve/delete/explode the problem as necessary. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:50, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Rajkumaryadav123 (talk · contribs)

Just to let you know, user is back to the same behavior after the block has expired. — Abhishek  ^Talk 14:42, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Nothing exceptionally heinous yet - not knowing how to format stuff isn't a crime. I'll throw the occasional glance his way, though. Cheers for the notice. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:49, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Trouble with moving a page

Hi Yunshui. I am in the processes of trying to move our draft page User:Isetm13/distal spinal atrophy type I Draft and I am running into some issues. First, I think I already moved it to a new article page, Distal Spinal Muscular Atrophy Type I. Then I realized this was not the stub-page already created for this disorder so I tried to move the article to the already existent sub-page which is Distal spinal muscular atrophy type 1, however I misspelled "muscular" and another new page was created, on accident. I was wondering how to move our draft to the already existent sub-page, Distal spinal muscular atrophy type 1? I read the link you posted but I am still having trouble. Any suggestions? Please and thank you! Isetem13 (talk) 20:18, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I just undid all the page moves I had previously done. However, when I tried to move the article to the article page which already exists, Distal spinal muscular atrophy type 1, an error page occurred which stated that I needed to request a move or have an administrators help. Thank you.Isetem13 (talk) 20:24, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Isetem13. No problem - here's what you do:

• Copy-and-paste (yes, I know I said that was a bad idea, don't worry!) the text from your sandbox into the article.
• On the article's talkpage at the top, add the following code:

{{Copied |from=User:Isetm13/distal spinal atrophy type I Draft|from_oldid=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Isetm13/distal_spinal_atrophy_type_I_Draft&oldid=546405231 |to=Distal spinal muscular atrophy type 1 |diff=???}}

• Replace the ??? with the URL of the diff you used to add the text (by which I mean: after you've added the text, go to the article's View history tab, click "prev" next to the top edit (which should be yours, if it isn't, choose yours instead), copy the URL of the resulting page from your browser's address bar, and paste it into the template code above)

And you're done. In other news, I've deleted and/or relocated all of the extra pages you created; everything's pristine now. If you have any trouble with the above, just copy the text over, let me know, and I'll sort the template out for you. Yunshui 雲‍水 22:13, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Yunshui - you are a life saver! Thank you so much! You explain process on Wikipedia very well! Again, thank you very much!Isetem13 (talk) 00:10, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

questions while trying to move page

Hello, Yunshui, I am in the process of trying to move our group's wikipedia page. I followed the directions that you sent our class from this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Move

At first, i tried to replace the page and it said that I wasnt able to because the page already exists here ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternating_hemiplegia

so when renaming the page, I capitalized the "H" in hemiplegia and here is our new page..., but Im assuming that I did that wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternating_Hemiplegia

Any suggestions? Please and thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MACKXIMUS (talk • contribs) 01:37, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

This actually might be a good histmerge candidate; they're on the same topic, and the most recent edit to hemiplagia is twelve days older than the first edit to Hemiplagia. After putting the navbox and relevant portions of the text back into the article (just by copying from old revisions; no admin tools needed), it would be done, in my opinion; I would do it right now if I weren't aware that this was being done for a class, since I don't want to cause confusion for you or the instructor. Nyttend (talk) 18:53, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi MACKXIMUS. The problem arises because you can't move a page to a title that already exists. I admire your inventiveness in changing the capitalisation to enable the move, but as you've guessed, that's not the optimum solution. Since there's no overlap in the edit histories, I should be able to histmerge it for you - give me five minutes... Yunshui 雲‍水 18:55, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Took longer than I thought thanks to real life interventions, but it's done now. I've incorporated the text of the previous version as a lead paragraph, you may wish to edit this to better reflect your additions. Yunshui 雲‍水 19:04, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome (and sorry for the ECs); I saw the thread at WP:AN and was curious to see if the students came here to tell you about pages, since I was curious what they were. Your comments regarding being fearful about histmerges were the only reason I sounded slightly condescending; in any other circumstance, I would have said "What about a histmerge?" or something like that. Nyttend (talk) 20:19, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Re: Derogatory nickname on Henrik Sedin's page

You say that the nickname is sourced. Did you actually read the source? Henrik Sedin plays in Vancouver Canucks. In an interview on a Chicago radio talk show with the Chicago Blackhawks forward Dave Bolland (opposing teams!), they called the Sedins "sisters", obviously to belittle them. The Vancouver Sun merely notes that this happened. I fail to see how that is acceptable or even a good source for something like this in a BLP. (Nymf editing logged out.) 79.136.126.106 (talk) 11:26, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Nymf. Yes, I took a look at the source before making a decision. It shows quite clearly that the term was used by Kaplan and Bolland, so whilst I'd take issue with the IP's wording (it's not clear that the twins are "commonly referred to" as "sisters") and indeed with the encyclopedic necessity of such a statement, I don't interpret it as a blatant violation of WP:BLP. Certainly I don't consider it sufficient to lock the article down, at least not without seeing some evidence of discussion on the article's talkpage. I've nothing against seeing the phrase removed - I agree that it doesn't have a place in the article - but I don't believe page protection is the way to go about it. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:38, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Having taken another look at the IP editor's work, though, I will be keeping a close eye on his edits - there's a definite theme emerging; mildly defamatory material which is exaggerated from the statements made in the cited sources, edit warring to retain said material, reverting your edits specifically with baseless accusations of vandalism... if this sort of behaviour continues, I don't see him having much of a future here. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:46, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. That is what I gather too, hence the RPP request and me not having started a discussion regarding the edits yet. Can't reason with trolls. (Nymf editing logged out.) 79.136.126.106 (talk) 12:02, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Block scripts and templates and so on

Hi Yunshui,
I've just made my first block here, and I'm very much still taking baby steps as an admin. I notice there are neat little messages at User talk:Platinum Graphic, which I guess are generated by a script or something like that. I'm kind of stoopid when it comes to .js and .css thingumabobs. Could you possibly point me to the relevant scripts?
Thanks! Pete aka --Shirt58 (talk) 12:44, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey Pete. Congrats on the admin hat - suits you! I use Twinkle for most of my block messages - if you haven't used it for editing, go enable it in your preferences, under the Gadgets tab (no need to faff around with your .js pages). The Twinkle menu that appears next to your search bar will have a whole slew of extra options now that you're all administrative and that - block messages are under the Warn menu. Alternatively, all of the standard block messages can be found here; just paste the appropriate template. But trust me, Twinkle makes it a hell of a lot easier (it also packs page protection and fast-track speedy deletion options as well).

Always happy to lend a hand if you need one in the first couple of weeks, but I'm confident you won't be needing training wheels for long. All the best, Yunshui 雲‍水 12:51, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Bah, I just edit-conflicted with you trying to say the exact same thing. :( — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 12:54, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Yet more evidence of my psychic admin powers. Bwahahaha, etc. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:56, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Requests for protection

Hi, Yunshui. I saw your decline of protection for the Henrik Sedin and Daniel Sedin articles, but I'm afraid I disagree. The nickname is obviously intended to be contemptuous, and the source is a quote from a Chicago radio talk show, as spoken by a Chicago Blackhawks player (who roundly declares he hates all Vancouver Canucks players) plus the host. Seems to be rather a one-time nickname from an opposing team! It's absurd to turn inter-team (more or less jocular?) hostility into "are commonly referred to as the Sedin sisters, by the media, fans, and other hockey players". Completely inappropriate in a BLP in my opinion. Unless you object strongly, I intend to protect the articles. Bishonen | talk 13:36, 25 March 2013 (UTC).

Go ahead, if you feel it's appropriate. No complaints from this quarter; as I said above, I'm not at all in favour of including the material. Woulnd't direct action against the IP (warning/blocking) be more effective than PP, though? It seems to be only the one editor inserting the material. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:40, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Aha, sorry I missed the above. The IP's edit summaries are bloody ridiculous, too. "You must be a misogynist to consider a female term, "sisters" to be derogatory", "unexplained revert by vandal" (referring to Nymf). I saw your warning on the IP's page, Yunshui; I hope it'll be sufficient. OK, I'll leave any protecting or blocking to you, then. (I don't know why Nymf called it a "hopping IP; it's even static, as far as I can see.) That'll allow me to edit the articles right now, hooray. :-) Bishonen | talk 14:15, 25 March 2013 (UTC).

Yeah, that last edit summary pushed the needle on my Troll-o-meter™ right up to the edge of the red zone... If you fancy removing the text in your newly-discovered "uninvolved" capacity, you'll hear no argument from me (though a faint cheer might float across the aether). Yunshui 雲‍水 14:19, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

No worries, Leech44's done the necessary. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:21, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

This is the IP that I was referring to when I said it was hopping. Both are "MTS Allstream Inc." IPs. Nymf _{talk to me} 18:37, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that edit. It's supposedly also a static IP, per this. Perhaps a couple of friends in Winnipeg editing collaboratively? But what do I know. Bishonen | talk 19:09, 25 March 2013 (UTC).

• I saw this, looked at the pages, and the IP had re-added the info using a different IP, so I've semi-d the pages for a week, hoping they get bored. I could be wrong - it could be those are the only IP's he's got - but I doubt it. Feel free to modify anything you want with the protection or lack of follow-through blocking. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:10, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Article Deletion Queries

Hi!

I'm aware that you have deleted an article I've posted earlier this week. With that said, is it permissible for me to ask for that article back? Although it was my first time writing something for the service, I admit that I haven't been able to completely read the guidelines. At the very least, I'm asking you to restore the deleted piece so as I can enact any changes needed to it immediately. Thank you very much.

Teamplayer4 (talk) 05:59, 26 March 2013 (UTC)Teamplayer4

Which page did you have in mind? I ended having to delete three or four articles you had created, since without exception they read as promotional pieces for non-notable companies. Frankly, having looked over the deleted edits again, I can't even see the point of userfying them - none of your submissions contain any text that might be salvagable. If it was completely rewritten, you might be able to make a case for an article on Johnny Wong's, based on the two reviews linked in the article (which, for your convenience, were this and this), but such an article would need to be entirely different to the previous version.

Before you try to create any more pages, please read - as a bare minimum - the inclusion requirements for companies, the guideline on promotional content and the guidance on writing style and tone. I would also strongly recommend that you submit future articles through Articles for creation, so that they can be reviewed and edited before being introduced to the encyclopedia. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:16, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I would try to pump out a more preferable draft in the meanwhile for Johnny Wong's. i really appreciate the feedback. Teamplayer4 (talk) 08:53, 26 March 2013 (UTC)Teamplayer4

Okay. A few tips, then:

• Don't include the menu, the takeaway service or the set meals - these apply to every Chinese restaurant in Britain.
• Use published reviews for information, not opinions.
• Focus on what makes Wong's unusual; why should it have an entry but not, say, Wang's Noodle Bar five doors up the road?
• Don't include contact details.
• Maintain a neutral tone - you are writing for an encyclopedia, not a business directory.
• Include reliable sources that talk about Wong's in some detail. Don't bother using directory listings like the Yellow Pages or passing mentions in articles about something else entirely.

I don't guarantee that the article will survive - personally I'd be surprised if a local Chinese takeaway could be shown to meet WP:CORP - but if you follow the above suggestions, you may at least be able to avoid having it deleted immediately. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:11, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

"Let's Hear it for America" Page Deletion

Hello Yunshui --

I see that you have deleted the "Let's Hear it for America" page. I would like to converse with you about your decision to do this, but it will likely take some time for me to compose my thoughts. A few things that I would ask you to consider:

1) This really happened. Granted, it was almost thirty five years ago, but every word that was in that article was written, in Vail, Colorado, between 1978 and 1979.

2) The history of establishing a Secretary of Peace in the U.S. Cabinet is replete with failures. That does not mean that this is not an idea that is worthy of note. People have been discussing this since 1793, and this is the 220th anniversary of the effort.

3) The basis upon which the idea of Let's Hear it for America was founded remains sound.

Perhaps I could ask a favor of you ... please describe to me under what circumstances you would agree that this merits being a part of Wikipedia? Should I put you in contact with people who were aware of its founding in the 1970s?

Please advise.

Thanks.

76.27.76.197 (talk) 14:55, 26 March 2013 (UTC) James Johnston, Alpine, Utah

My first thought on seeing the page was that it had been copied from somewhere else - the text looked as though it was taken directly from the organisation concerned. So I did some hunting. What I found was that there is a complete absence of information on this movement - it quite simply doesn't appear to exist. I ran a number of websearches, including news archives and various aggregators, and came back with no information whatsoever on either the Let's Hear It... movement or Johnston, its founder. There's no evidence that it meets the basic inclusion requirements for organisations, nor that it's had any significant impact.

Now it's possible that there may be offline sources that provide the necessary breadth of coverage, and give indications of significance - but since there were none cited in the article, I had to assume that it was something either made-up, or of insufficient importance for Wikipedia to require an article on the topic. If you want to create a page on the movement, you'll need to provide multiple, independent, reliable sources that discuss Let's Hear It For America in detail; that's the benchmark of inclusion here. Yunshui 雲‍水 15:04, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Yunshui --

I appreciate your taking the time to explain your position and to clarify the rules and regs that govern submissions to WikiPedia. You are correct. Let's Hear it for America did not have a lasting impact, although it did gather support. Unfortunately, in those days, there was no web. As to whether or not it was "made up" -- definitely not -- in making this observation, you are close to impugning my integrity, and I think that is at best presumptuous, and perhaps even impolite. You might have better asked, "Was this for real?" But that is 'small beer.'

Why isn't it documented on the web? Because, in 1978, we were still working on IBM Correcting Selectric typewriters, and LHIFA / PAL faded away before even Apple computers came on the scene. You may disagree, but in my opinion, not everything of consequence is on the World Wide Web!

Forgive me while I vent for a moment, and ask ... "What makes you an arbiter of what is or is not important in the long and storied history of the peace movement? Are you an expert in this area? How much time have you spent evaluating what has and has not worked?"

If you took the time to read the content, and consider it intellectually, particularly in the context of not only the peace movement in general, but specifically relating to, among others facts pertinent to the movement itself, Dwight D. Eisenhower's speech regarding the Military Industrial Complex (1961), you would realize that there was significant thought and perhaps even merit behind the plan. Some good ideas take decades or even centuries to come to fruition!

Please accept my apologies for venting! ;-)

By way of a Thank You -- you have provided me with a much better understanding of the role you play, and I will accede to your point. You are a WikiPedia's Traffic Cop -- a sort of virtual bureaucrat who observes a set criteria for what is and is not "important." You have a well-defined set of rules by which WikiPedia is governed, and based on your description of them, I can understand your decision. I didn't know, and have learned something.

All that said, I am confident that there has never been a better time for a peaceful revolution to occur; it may very well be that the seeds of it were first conceived and documented in LHIFA / PAL. From your point of view, I readily accept the fact that you can and perhaps should respond by saying ... "Well, that remains to be seen, and at such time as it does, then it will merit inclusion." So be it.

Thanks for enlarging my understanding -- and thanks. You are making a contribution to your world, and I recognize the importance of what you do.

Happy trails!

76.27.76.197 (talk) 16:37, 27 March 2013 (UTC)JWJ

Sounds as though you've pretty much got the idea. I apologise sincerely if my statement about the movement being "made-up" offended; you wouldn't believe how many people try to insert hoax articles into Wikipedia, and while we try to assume good faith, every now and again one gets a bit jaded by it all... Thank you for your understanding of what Wikipedia is trying to do - and if you do have access to offline sources which provide the appropriate depth and breadth of coverage, please do feel free to recreate the page incorporating them. (If you do so, I'd suggest creating it through the Articles for creation process, which enables other editors to review and assist you as you build the article.) Yunshui 雲‍水 08:14, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Yunshui. You have new messages at Tokyogirl79's talk page.
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• I'm posting this b/c you might need to help step in and explain why removing templates from an AfD because you disagree with the deletion reasoning is not the right course of action. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 11:44, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Looks like the message has finally gotten through - I don't want to add fuel to the fire, so I'll leave it for you to graciously accept the apology and we can all move on. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:14, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hey Yunshui, I just wanted to send a thanks for the barnstar, once you get the hang of Wikipedia it's not quite as intimidating as it seemed the first time you open the ole Edit tab.(ThrowTheBar2 (talk) 18:46, 27 March 2013 (UTC))

Glad to hear it. You do seem to have taken to it like the proverbial duck to water; it's good to see. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:07, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Red Roots

Hi. I'm writing because the article Red Roots has been deleted. This band is apart of the sublabel Red Hen Nashville (redhennashville.com) of themajor record label Daywind Records(http://www.daywindrecords.com/). The group is also on the major game show "The American Bible Challenge" on the GSN network (http://breathecast.christianpost.com/articles/6660/20130318/red-roots-the-american-bible-challenge-on-gsn.htm). Every radio single released by the group has charted with "Grow" being the highest at #20 on the most notable Southern Gospel Chart "The Singing News." They have over 100,000 on their self-titled music video "Red Roots." I'm wanting to submit a revised article with their latest accomplishments and background information. I would greatly appreciate the consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Countryguymusicman (talk • contribs) 21:05, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Red Roots was deleted as the result of a community deletion discussion (see here). If you wish to contest the deletion, you will need to file a case at Deletion Review. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:50, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

User page deletion

Sorry, forgot to say I'd restored Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:40, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Roger declined the speedy, I see. No worries; if I had a penny for every time I made a minor screw-up like that - well, I'd probably be able to buy myself a Mars Bar, at least. The fact that you went straight ahead and restored it speaks volumes for your integrity and trustworthiness, thanks for that. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:48, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

About Chaesang

雲水先生, just doing WP:NPP the right way. I'm very fond of Korea-related subjects because... well, amongst other things, she lives in Sydney with her husband, and despite the bad break-up over a decade ago, we're now friends.--Shirt58 (talk) 10:59, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you sir,for your spending your kind time on answering my questions.Uncletomwood (talk) 13:18, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

User:Rambo.XIV

I note that you removed User:Rambo.XIV's block on condition that they not upload copyright material to Wikipedia in future. Unfortunately, they seem to have been unable to resist temptation. Just today they uploaded w:File:Stirling Moss Triumph.jpg a direct copy from here. Please could you review your decision to unblock in light of this lack of compliance with the conditions laid down. Thanks. Pyrope 22:28, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and this one too: w:File:Jim Clark Lotus.jpg. A direct copyvio from here. Pyrope 22:52, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Reblocked (this time indefinitely); thanks for the info. Yunshui 雲‍水 06:59, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Seokjeon

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Quack, quack?

Hi. From this edit, it looks pretty clear that this user is Rajkumaryadav123 (talk · contribs). Could you please take a look? — Abhishek  ^Talk 14:18, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Several other very suspicious diffs in that edit history.  Looks like a duck to me. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:02, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

One more here. Shall I open an SPI to check for some sleepers? — Abhishek  ^Talk 12:27, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Blocked and tagged. At this stage I'm not sure an SPI would be warranted - the level of duckery (real word?) is high enough that these accounts can easily be blocked on behaviour alone. If you're concerned about sleepers I'd consider emailing one of the checkuser team privately, to ask whether they'd consider a sleeper check, but personally I don't think it's necessary; his modus operandi is so distinctive that it would be hard for any sock of his to sneak under the radar. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:37, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

A question for you!

Hi Yunshui, I have recently discovered how to put 'notes' in articles and have inserted a couple into this article after a discussion with Fnorp on their talk page as I thought putting a couple of notes in might be the easiest way to explain Fnorp's edits. However, I'm beginning to have doubts whether this was a reasonable solution as I see further up the talk page others have discussed similar edits made by Fnorp and this doesn't appear to have been offered as a way round it. So, have I done this incorrectly? Is this not the way 'notes' should be used? It just seemed a reasonable compromise to me? I don't want to even tentatively suggest Fnorp includes a similar note on any other articles s/he may change if it is wrong; it does looks as if s/he is quite passionate about changing Holland/Netherlands in articles. SagaciousPhil - Chat 09:36, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Not a lot of folk know about the refgroup function, so explanatory footnotes aren't as common as you might expect on Wikipedia. They are, however, a totally valid option, and what you've done with the James Ferguson article is correct. I personally have doubts about the necessity of these specific notes (the linked Netherlands article explains the use of "Holland", the French translation of 's-Hertogenbosch would be better off placed in the linked article on that topic, and the Peeters source would be better placed in the (again, linked) St. John's Cathedral ('s-Hertogenbosch) page - basically, you don't need footnotes if the information is already present in a wikilinked article) but the technical use is fine. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:27, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! SagaciousPhil - Chat 12:46, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you very much for the instructions you gave me at the help desk for creating the collapsible table for notable alumni at Hollywood High School. It took a few hours, but I finally finished making the changes. Whew, I'm worn out. ;) --76.189.111.2 (talk) 12:12, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Glad I could help you out. I always feel that people learn by doing, so I operate by the maxim: "Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he's warm for the rest of his life." Or something like that, anyway. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:15, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I'm burning. Haha. Wow, that list of notable alum was taking up more than half the length of the article, so the collapsed table is great. However, it has left very little room in the article for images, so I had to remove one of them. If you see anything wrong with the table or image adjustments I made, please feel free to make any fixes you feel are appropriate. :) --76.189.111.2 (talk) 12:56, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi, again. I just wanted to let you know that I mentioned your name in a comment on admin Gadget850's talk page. I didn't see his help desk comment until long after I had finished the notable alumni table. As I told him, if anything I did with that table needs changed I won't mind at all if someone does it, as long as it remains collapsed by default. But it seems to work perfectly as-is. But you guys are the experts. Anyway, I just wanted to make you aware I mentioned your name there. Thanks again for the help you gave me. :) --76.189.111.2 (talk) 15:27, 3 April 2013 (UTC)