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Another case of a songwriter with prolific credits with notable musicians, but who has received little to no coverage of their own. In this case, there is that Visionary Artist Magazine (source I've never heard of and cannot speak to its reliability) piece, though I can only see the first paragraph of it for some reason. But that alone is not a sufficient amount of coverage, and the rest is just Johnson's name being brought up in the context of credits on other artists' songs without any in-depth discussion of Johnson's contributions. None of this applies to NBAND's standards. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 13:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 13:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 14:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Associated with major acts, but nothing strictly about this individual. The NPR and CBC articles are about different people. I'm not seeing enough for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 18:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- FYI, the "different people" the NPR and CBC articles discuss are the two acts that employ Amaire Johnson as a music director: rappers Big Sean and Ab-soul. The CBC article confirms that Amaire was signed to Big Sean's label once Big Sean began to separate himself from Kanye West and establish an independent label imprint, and the NPR articles reveal that Amaire was tasked with music direction and/or performance for both rappers on their respective acclaimed Tiny Desk appearances. Trainsskyscrapers (talk) 19:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, but the point Oaktree is making is that the subjects of those articles are Big Sean and Ab-Soul, not Amaire Johnson, and that Johnson is only mentioned once by name in the CBC article and only in the credits for the NPR performances. These are passing mentions. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 19:46, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- FYI, the "different people" the NPR and CBC articles discuss are the two acts that employ Amaire Johnson as a music director: rappers Big Sean and Ab-soul. The CBC article confirms that Amaire was signed to Big Sean's label once Big Sean began to separate himself from Kanye West and establish an independent label imprint, and the NPR articles reveal that Amaire was tasked with music direction and/or performance for both rappers on their respective acclaimed Tiny Desk appearances. Trainsskyscrapers (talk) 19:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Sources show that the subject is notable. Esti92 (talk) 17:54, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- In what way, especially that contradicts what Oaktree and I wrote above? Note that no additional sources have been added since I initiated this discussion, just Category:Year of birth missing (living people). QuietHere (talk | contributions) 18:03, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hey. Took a little break for Christmas and just found out that you nominated this article for deletion. Added a few additional supporting sources, more categories, and made some needed copyedit "tweaks". I'll keep you posted on future changes. Trainsskyscrapers (talk) 15:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Second ever edit of Esti92. Geschichte (talk) 20:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- In what way, especially that contradicts what Oaktree and I wrote above? Note that no additional sources have been added since I initiated this discussion, just Category:Year of birth missing (living people). QuietHere (talk | contributions) 18:03, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To allow analysis of recent edits
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Beeblebrox Beebletalks 00:54, 1 January 2025 (UTC)- The only sources added since the launch of this discussion are a YouTube interview (reliability? certainly a primary source) and the "Best Produced Track" designation from XXL (not even a complete sentence of prose). I do not think the recent edits bring this any closer to notability. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 23:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:MUSICBIO ("Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart."). He's written four songs that charted, one of which was a Top Ten Billboard song and was nominated for a Grammy. Bearian (talk) 04:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- I do not believe that section applies to songwriters – note that the list, starting at "this category includes", does not mention songwriters or producers, only performance roles – and you should be looking at COMPOSER instead. In that case, I believe only #1 applies, and only meeting one criteria while still not meeting GNG does not convince me. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 07:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- @QuietHere I believe #4 would apply as well, no? Clearly he won the ASCAP Award for a song he co-wrote, composed, and co-produced ("Bounce Back") -- a Top 10 Hit charting in numerous markets -- being one of the 20 most played (radio, video, sync placements, streaming) and performed (touring) songs for the year with key contributors from the specific songwriting association. All ASCAP writers battle yearly to be recognized by their songwriting/publishing body via securing lucrative song placements, and very few receive recognition. It was also Grammy nominated, albeit in a category that celebrates songwriters with a Grammy certificate if nominated / Grammy winner's certificate if successful. Trainsskyscrapers (talk) 16:50, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- I did forget about the ASCAP Award, that is a fair point. I'm not sure about the Grammy because, like you said, it's usually only the artists who receive recognition for it. I'm still concerned with letting a GNG miss go, and I think the ASCAP win can (and should, regardless of this discussion's outcome) be mentioned in the song's article. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 22:22, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- @QuietHere I believe #4 would apply as well, no? Clearly he won the ASCAP Award for a song he co-wrote, composed, and co-produced ("Bounce Back") -- a Top 10 Hit charting in numerous markets -- being one of the 20 most played (radio, video, sync placements, streaming) and performed (touring) songs for the year with key contributors from the specific songwriting association. All ASCAP writers battle yearly to be recognized by their songwriting/publishing body via securing lucrative song placements, and very few receive recognition. It was also Grammy nominated, albeit in a category that celebrates songwriters with a Grammy certificate if nominated / Grammy winner's certificate if successful. Trainsskyscrapers (talk) 16:50, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- I do not believe that section applies to songwriters – note that the list, starting at "this category includes", does not mention songwriters or producers, only performance roles – and you should be looking at COMPOSER instead. In that case, I believe only #1 applies, and only meeting one criteria while still not meeting GNG does not convince me. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 07:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as I don't see a consensus or that the concerns of the nominator have all been addressed.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:16, 8 January 2025 (UTC)