Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brett Cooper (commentator)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. There are some dodgy arguments here: subscriber numbers on a social media service aren't, by themselves, an indicator of anything, and even for notable entertainers we still need enough secondary sources to write an article. That said, there also appears to be legitimate disagreement about some of the media sources provided. Although the "delete" arguments are marginally stronger, in my view, there isn't enough of a tilt either way to constitute consensus. No prejudice against speedy renomination. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:47, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Brett Cooper (commentator)

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No evidence of notability under WP:GNG, WP:JOURNALIST, WP:CREATIVE or any other criterion. Zero independent third-party RS biographical coverage that I could find; total third-party cites are two questionable collections of gossip. There just isn't enough here to sustain the existence of a WP:BLP on the site. PROD removed without action to address the issues. David Gerard (talk) 11:26, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Television, Politics, United States of America, California, and Washington. David Gerard (talk) 11:26, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women and Conservatism. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:55, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:56, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep looks like there's a decent split between RS commentary on her as a child actress in TN [1], [2], [3], [4] and others covering her in the context of her more recent advocacy [5], [6], [7], [8], [9]. Note that I've filtered out anything from any source Cooper has worked for, so while some of these are clearly partisan sources, at least a couple of them clearly cover Cooper in a critical manner. If this isn't kept, it's an odd case of TOOSOON, as this individual appears to be gaining prominence. I suppose a merge to The Daily Wire might be appropriate as an ATD, but that isn't the only thing she's known for. Jclemens (talk) 16:41, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

MMFA, opinion pieces and Fox aren't usable for notability, Insider and The Week is passing mentions - so there isn't more than the bare fact about her present career. But that's more NACTOR than I could find, thank you - is it enough to swing WP:NFILM? Not sure it passes, but are there any more of the solid RSes? - David Gerard (talk) 12:13, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe Keep looks bit young, but with a billion youtube views in very quick time, maybe just a blind spot for the old timers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mimi Ho Kora (talk • contribs) 00:21, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: BLP. Fails GNG, BIO. Sources found in BEFORE and already in the article: Source eval:

Youtube comments section :: 1. "About The Comments Section with Brett Cooper". YouTube.
Fails IS, "About the Author" page with linked articles :: 2. ^ Jump up to:a b "Brett Cooper | People". Foundation for Economic Education. 2015-08-07. Retrieved 2023-03-23.
Who is style promo :: 3. ^ "Who Is Brett Cooper Daily Wire? Age, Wikipedia Explored | Business Guide Africa". 2022-03-29. Retrieved 2023-03-23.
Who is style promo :: 4. ^ Peake, Amber (2022-03-24). "Who is Brett Cooper, the Daily Wire host with a 'younger perspective'?". HITC. Retrieved 2023-03-23.

David Gerard addresses the sources above, none of them are IS RS with SIGCOV.

BLPs need clearly IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability per V, BLP and BIO. // Timothy :: talk 08:40, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: It has multiple issues to resolve this. CastJared (talk) 00:04, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Mimi Ho Kora (talk) 21:14, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep She is a prominent YouTuber and commentator for The Daily Wire. --rogerd (talk) 04:08, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- But do we have the RSes to say anything about her? And where's the RS evidence that she's "prominent" as you claim per WP:ENT? - David Gerard (talk) 11:45, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep She's rather famous, and is gaining in popularity. She also works for a very prominent news organization (The Daily Wire) --AnonymousEditor95 (talk) 05:31, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 02:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I'd vote to keep because her channel has over two million subscribers. Besides, she seems to be a rising star as an actress. Dswitz10734 (talk) 13:09, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination and User:TimothyBlue above, fails WP:NACTOR and WP:JOURNALIST. The three short posts above for keeping all appear to hinge on:
- the notability of her employer (but notability is WP:NOTINHERITED on Wikipedia)
- her YouTube subscriber count (but see WP:NYOUTUBER, as prior consensus is that this also doesn't confer notability).

She could become notable eventually, but for now it's WP:TOOSOON for a separate article. No objection to User:Jclemens' suggestion of a merge to Daily Wire as an ATD, and a tag of redirect with possibilities. Uncle Spock (talk) 10:57, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with the Dailywire article. She seems to be a rising star and may become notable eventually. But for now, she doesn't seem to be notable under WP:GNG, WP:JOURNALIST, WP:CREATIVE or any other criterion. So for now, in my opinion, the best thing to do with her article is to merge with DailyWire, where she works. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashik Rahik (talk • contribs) 14:17, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:51, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Dailywire, no need to say WP:ILIKEIT. CastJared (talk) 23:40, 19 April 2023‎ (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist die to the late merge arguments
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 19:12, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I can't see the need for the merge, she's not well known enough, based on the limited coverage of her in RS. She's not at GNG. Oaktree b (talk) 15:11, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Brett Cooper runs a YouTube channel with over two million subscribers. She's affiliated with the media conglomerate The Daily Wire, and she is an actress who still books roles today. Dswitz10734 (talk) 12:03, 27 April 2023 (UTC) — Duplicate vote: Dswitz10734 (talk • contribs) has already cast a vote above.[reply]
But she fails to satisfy notability under WP:GNG, WP:JOURNALIST, WP:CREATIVE or any other criterion. Number of YouTube subscribers, affiliation with any network, doing acting, not strong reasons to keep, since there's no reliable sources to back her notability. Ashik Rahik (talk) 13:24, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Now have enough notability. CastJared (talk) 14:42, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - sources indicate notability per WP:GNG. Prominent Youtuber with 2+ million subscribers. Of course the article needs some improvements. But no reason for deletion:BabbaQ (talk) 14:59, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The individual has been significantly covered by multiple independent reliable sources that are intellectually independent of her and each other, so she passes WP:NBASIC. These include the sources about her acting career provided by Jclemens, and this doesn't appear to be a BLP1E situation. That being said, the article needs significant work to recenter it around the things that she is notable for and to actually incorporate the sources described in this AfD; the current state of the article is well below our sourcing standards for living people. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 05:06, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I am open to reconsidering my !vote if significant coverage by multiple independent reliable sources that are intellectually independent of her and each other are found, but my attempts to find sources with sufficient quality and depth to support notability under any guideline have not been successful. I do not think interviews with her and her mother, e.g. in Chattanooga Times Free Press (2010), Chattanooga Times Free Press (2012), and what appears to be a press release/announcement Chattanoogan.com (2012), as well as an interview with her and her employers Chattanooga Times Free Press (2012) while Cooper was a child actress that have been identified in this discussion are sufficient to support a standalone article. Similarly, a brief mention of "creators Insider spoke with" describing her as an example of a "rage-baiter" and a basic description of her as a "conservative talking head for The Daily Wire with her own TikTok channel" (Insider, 2022), and The Week stating "A new show starring former child actress Brett Cooper aims to capture a Gen Z audience on TikTok and YouTube" (2022) does not appear to provide substantial support for WP:BASIC notability. The MMFA source (2023) has slightly, but not much more detail, noting only that she replayed another commentator's statements on her show, and was one of several commentators who "promoted their anti-trans brand of chocolate." Due to the lack of significant coverage about her in independent and reliable sources, it is not clear if the 2021 FoxNews coverage is about her, but it is also a brief report about one video, and would be limited support for notability. Her own opinion article published on HuntingtonNews.net also does not support notability. This article appears to be WP:PROMO and an advertisement masquerading as an article at this time. Beccaynr (talk) 14:46, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Which all of them are removed, including the birth date per WP:DOB. CastJared (talk) 16:03, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This article appears to be a means of promotion because there does not appear to be significant coverage by multiple independent reliable sources that are intellectually independent of her and each other. According to WP:NOT policy, "Wikipedia articles about a person, company or organization are not an extension of their website, press releases, or other social media marketing efforts." Beccaynr (talk) 16:45, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Um, the !votes of Keep, Delete, and Merge are crashed. This caused a severe dispute. CastJared (talk) 16:56, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - sources indicate notability per WP:GNG. Grahaml35 (talk) 17:15, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The citations are the following:
- Chattanooga Times Free Press (2010)
- Chattanooga Times Free Press (2012)
- Chattanoogan.com (2012)
- Chattanooga Times Free Press (2012)
- Insider,
- 2022
- MMFA source
- 2021 FoxNews
- HuntingtonNews.net
But some are not reliable. CastJared (talk) 17:25, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete As per source analysis by Timothy. MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:38, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Merging with The Daily Wire article is suggested for me. But delete is just an opinion. CastJared (talk) 12:03, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Sources don't pass GNG and I can't find anything better. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 17:29, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Having a large YouTube fanbase doesn't necessarily fulfill the requirements of WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. The currently cited sources are pretty questionable on reliability, and not much else can be found about the subject other than trivial mentions. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 23:36, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.